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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Meanwhile, May 2018 was a record warm month in the USA.

    http://www.noaa.gov/news/contiguous-...-may-on-record

    The OP has conveniently neglected to mention that point. Imagine that, a global warming denier who relies on cherrypicking fallacies. Golly, we've never seen that before.
    you are aware that Weather is a constantly shifting paradigm. What happened to the Sahara Tropical Rain Forest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    No, incorrect. The earth was totally recovered from the Little Ice age by 1850, at the latest. The climate had been cooling steadily since that time, and should have kept cooling steadily. The natural cycle right now should be slow cooling. Instead, we see fast warming.
    how do you know that for a fact?



    Calving _is_ losing ice. Did you think it wasn't?
    the south pole is gaining ice, that is why it's calfing

    Gravity measurements don't lie. Antarctica is "losing" gravity, which means it is losing mass.
    ye gods NO!!! we'll float off into space without gravity....wait, we are



    No, volcanic output of CO2 is about 1%-2% of human output.
    it isn't just the CO2 those volcanoes are pumping out.




    Reforestation helps, but only a little.
    Then grab your shovel and start planting trees

    When old world diseases in the new world and plague reduced the human population drastically, vast areas of farmland went back to forest and jungle. That global-scale reforestation event reduced CO2 levels by about 7 ppm, which was a contributing factor in the Little Ice Age.
    you are no geologist. Ice ages are created by the planet's constantly shifting paradigm
    7 ppm is about 2 years worth of current CO2 emissions. A global reforestation event only offsets 2 years of emissions. Thus, your cure actually cures nothing. It's a bandaid on a shotgun wound.
    again, we should the US pay for other's actions? Do you think we should pay for China to cleanup their air?

    you said a lot of things, but have yet to post these scientific studies all of them, in their entirety
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    you are aware that Weather is a constantly shifting paradigm. What happened to the Sahara Tropical Rain Forest?
    Those were racist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLLS View Post
    The computer models did not take solar storms into account.
    Of course they didn't. You can't predict solar storms. But since solar storms have zero effect on climate, it doesn't matter.

    Now, models certainly do include total solar irradiance variation with the sunspot cycle, but that's a totally different thing.

    The computer models did not take wildfires and volcanic eruptions into account.
    No, models do put in random volcanic eruptions. You can't predict volcanoes specifically, but you do know they'll be happening somewhere.

    That's one reason why the models have been so accurate. They include everything that matters.

    Yet we are supposed to believe the computer models
    The stellar success of the models is just icing on the cake. You're supposed to believe the directly measured hard data, which proves global warming and the human origin of it. If no models existed, global warming theory would still be proven.

    and Al "I'll sucker these people into making me rich" Gore.
    Bzzzzt. Gore Rule invoked. Whoever brings up Gore first forfeits the thread for their side. You don't see any rational people shrieking about Gore. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't, they rave about whatever politician their cult told them to demonize.


    I recall in the 1970s when we were all going to freeze to death. They even told us it was science.
    And at that time, almost all the scientists were predicting warming. You were fooled by a media panic, and you ignored the actual science. The mainstream climate science has been getting everything right for over 40 years running, which is why it has such credibility.

    In contrast, most of you deniers have been predicting an ice age non-stop for over 40 years now. Denialism has been wrong on every topic for over 40 years, which is why it has zero credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    you said a lot of things, but have yet to post these scientific studies all of them, in their entirety
    If you want me to spend hours tutoring you on the basics, you'll need to pay ahead into my Paypal account. I educate those willing to learn for free. That's clearly not you. You've got the whole internet at your fingertips. You could look this all up yourself. You don't. You're proud to remain ignorant, because it's what your political cult demands of you.

    However, just to demonstrate I can always back up everything I say, I'll give you one freebie. Let me know if you want to pay me for more remedial science tutoring.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...oes-or-humans/
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    According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    If you want me to spend hours tutoring you on the basics, you'll need to pay ahead into my Paypal account. I educate those willing to learn for free. That's clearly not you. You've got the whole internet at your fingertips. You could look this all up yourself. You don't. You're proud to remain ignorant, because it's what your political cult demands of you.

    However, just to demonstrate I can always back up everything I say, I'll give you one freebie. Let me know if you want to pay me for more remedial science tutoring.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...oes-or-humans/
    ---
    According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.
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    Scientific America.....bought and paid for by the globalists. You still failed to acknowledge the other stuff that comes from volcanoes, Sulfur, sulfur dioxide, and a ton of particulate matter by the seconds per each active volcano.
    Currently there are 50-60 active volcanos world wide. There are 1,500 dormant, they've even located a volcano under Connecticut.
    Each one produces more toxic gas that does China on a good day. Historically, volcanos shaped this world. The explosion of Krakatoa caused global cooling for 5 years, creating a micro Ice Age, that event alone killed more than just few natives. Food was scarce, and it was damned cold, illness ran rampant.
    The far western US has a super volcano that can erupt at any moment, hopefully, I'll long gone when that happens, but it isn't a matter of if, it's a matter or when. That alone will destroy most of the continental US.
    So to discount volcanic activity out of hand, when it hasn't been factored into your studies, shows a lack of analytical deduction. You've been fed a line
    2010: Eyjafjallajökul dropped temps by 4 degrees over a six month period across most of Northern Europe and Russia. Alaska felt the change as well.
    ....again, in 2018.
    And that doesn't factor in undersea volcanos. Whether they are surface volcanos or under the oceans, they release the same gases into the water. Volcanos are rude and produce rude gases.
    My point is this is a changing paradigm. we cannot accurately predict the unknown. What ever this planet is going to do next, is what it's going to do, with or without Man. We don't know, but science is supposed to be accurate, and this alone causes predictions to be guesses at best.
    We do know, through geology, pretty much how the planet was created, how old it is, how it has been formed and reformed, and what gases exist through time.
    When I asked you about the Sahara Tropical Rain Forest, I wasn't goofing on you. There used to be such forests in the Sahara, but climate change altered that in a matter of a few hundred years. Volcanos, solar flares, hell who knows, but it brings up another point about climate change, celestial mechanics.
    So man is just a spot on the whole line of things.
    Think if it, 200,000 years compared to 4.5 billion years. We're not going to be here long enough to see if any of this is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    Scientific America.....bought and paid for by the globalists.
    So, you're a conspiracy cultist. Any time you see inconvenient hard data, you shriek it's part of the VastSecretSocialistGlobalPlot. It's how you handwave away all the data that always contradicts you.

    You still failed to acknowledge the other stuff that comes from volcanoes, Sulfur, sulfur dioxide, and a ton of particulate matter by the seconds per each active volcano.

    Currently there are 50-60 active volcanos world wide. There are 1,500 dormant, they've even located a volcano under Connecticut.
    Each one produces more toxic gas that does China on a good day.
    No, that's wrong as well. Humans produce about twice as much sulfur dioxide as volcanoes.

    Historically, volcanos shaped this world. The explosion of Krakatoa caused global cooling for 5 years, creating a micro Ice Age, that event alone killed more than just few natives. Food was scarce, and it was damned cold, illness ran rampant

    The far western US has a super volcano that can erupt at any moment, hopefully, I'll long gone when that happens, but it isn't a matter of if, it's a matter or when. That alone will destroy most of the continental US.
    So to discount volcanic activity out of hand, when it hasn't been factored into your studies, shows a lack of analytical deduction. You've been fed a line
    Nobody discounts volcanic activity. They only discount your phony version of it. Scientists use actual facts, and not your handwaving.

    2010: Eyjafjallajökul dropped temps by 4 degrees over a six month period across most of Northern Europe and Russia. Alaska felt the change as well.
    No, that's totally wrong. That eruption wasn't even close to being large enough to affect global climate. Who told you such a crazy story, and why did you believe it?

    ....again, in 2018.
    What? You're telling us that a volcano that erupted in 2010 changed the global climate in 2018? A strong La Nina pattern in early 2018 cooled the global average. It has zilch to do with any volcanoes.

    And that doesn't factor in undersea volcanos. Whether they are surface volcanos or under the oceans, they release the same gases into the water. Volcanos are rude and produce rude gases.
    Waving your hands around wildly and invoking undersea volcanoes as a cause of global warming doesn't work. You have to demonstrate a sudden increase in the number of undersea volcanoes. And you can't, because there is no evidence at all for such a thing.

    My point is this is a changing paradigm. we cannot accurately predict the unknown. What ever this planet is going to do next, is what it's going to do, with or without Man. We don't know, but science is supposed to be accurate, and this alone causes predictions to be guesses at best.
    And yet the models _do_ very accurately predict the unknown, which shows your claim there is obviously wrong. Your disbelief in reality is only your problem.

    We do know, through geology, pretty much how the planet was created, how old it is, how it has been formed and reformed, and what gases exist through time.

    When I asked you about the Sahara Tropical Rain Forest, I wasn't goofing on you. There used to be such forests in the Sahara, but climate change altered that in a matter of a few hundred years.
    So? The fact that climate can change naturally does not prevent humans from changing climate.

    Volcanos, solar flares, hell who knows, but it brings up another point about climate change, celestial mechanics.
    Celestial mechanics is what's driving the earth towards slow cooling. That's the natural cycle now. Or it should have been, until we flipped it to fast warming.

    So man is just a spot on the whole line of things.
    "Because I can't believe humans can change climate!" is not a convincing argument, especially when all the evidence says the opposite.
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    The Left's emotional retardation NEEDS alarm and calls to action no matter facts, cause and consequence.
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    I wonder what part financial bias plays in the human-caused climate catastrophe models? Government agencies don't increase their budgets year after year after year when they report there is no problem, nothing to see here.

    Do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I wonder what part financial bias plays in the human-caused climate catastrophe models? Government agencies don't increase their budgets year after year after year when they report there is no problem, nothing to see here.

    Do they?
    To get government grants to study a hypothesis they need to plant the possibility of doom and its need to be studied further.
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