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    Exclamation Was John McCain a Songbird?

    I'm glad the guy who dug up this old lie was fired from FOX. I recall another regular on FOX, Ralph Peters, repeating the claim years ago.



    Hopefully, this will put and end to the disgusting claims about a true war hero.

    A Fox News analyst was fired from the right-wing network in May 2018 after regurgitating a long-standing, long-debunked smear against Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) and his experiences as a prisoner of war.
    Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney was terminated from Fox just one day after insulting the lawmaker for opposing the nomination of Gina Haspel to head the Central Intelligence Agency. McInerney told host Charles Payne that Haspel cannot employ torture (or “enhanced interrogation”) against prisoners:
    The fact is, is John McCain, it worked on John. That’s why they call him “Songbird John.” The fact is those methods can work, and they are effective, as former Vice President Cheney said. And if we have to use them to save a million American lives, we will do whatever we have to.
    The allegation that he was a “songbird” during his captivity originated with the group Vietnam Veterans Against McCain, which distributed a flyer to media outlets in South Carolina during his 2008 campaign for the Republican Party’s presidential nomination.
    The flyer reportedly referred to him as a “Hanoi Hilton Songbird,” a reference to the “Hanoi Hilton,” the nickname for Hỏa Lò Prison. McCain was imprisoned there between 1967 and 1973 during the Vietnam War, and was tortured by North Vietnamese troops.
    The claim was roundly debunked at the time by Politifact, which cited both fellow prisoners of war and author Robert Timberg, who interviewed several POWs while writing John McCain: An American Odyssey, a biography of the senator. “I’ve never known of any occasion in which Sen. McCain provided the North Vietnamese with anything of value,” said Timberg, who died in 2016.
    Rolling Stone magazine reported in October 2008 that McCain was quoted in a North Vietnamese newspaper story saying that the war was “moving to the advantage of North Vietnam and the United States appears to be isolated.”
    The magazine also reported that McCain provided “the name of his ship, the number of raids he had flown, his squadron number and the target of his final raid” and that he was tortured for a two-year period, as opposed to the entirety of his time in Hỏa Lò. However, the magazine added, “it is difficult to judge McCain’s experience as a POW; throughout most of his incarceration he was the only witness to his mistreatment.”
    The two men responsible for the flyer, Gerard “Jerry” Kiley and Ted Sampley, formed a similar group in 2004 targeting another Vietnam veteran running for the presidency, then-Democratic Party nominee John Kerry.
    The duo has been cited as sources by right-wing blogs pushing the claim that McCain was a “songbird.” Sampley has also called McCain a “Manchurian Candidate.” But as the Phoenix New Times reported in 1999:
    Sampley offers no credible proof of these allegations, other than quotes from unnamed former POWs and suggestions that the Vietnamese still have film of McCain’s activities in the prison camps.
    Questionable and conspiracy-minded blogs have also tried very hard to promote the false claim that McCain was to blame for the July 1967 fire aboard the USS Forrestal that ended with the deaths of 134 sailors, and also injuries to McCain and 160 other service members.
    McInerney’s remark came after McCain encouraged fellow senators to reject Haspel, who was allegedly the person in charge of a CIA “black site” during the waterboarding of a prisoner, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. The network reportedly said that he will not be asked to appear there again.
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    The reason I looked into this is because Ross Perot was extremely mad at McCain because Ross had been working with the Vietnam War POW/MIA issue saying that hundreds had been left behind. He is one of them that talked to POW's that knew McCain and they even refused to sit with him. I believe Ross over McCain. All the work they did McCain blocked it.

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