History of Freedom

[Chris]

The argument that completely unregulated or free economies are superior or most beneficial, is usually an argument being made by a billionaire or multi millionaire.

That model would indeed work for many...but for many more it wouldn't.

Can you elaborate? Can you provide some evidence?

[jet57]

You've said very little beyong go read this or that book, go look up this or that. The one claim you've made, The history of freedom btw has always rested in overcoming the likes of the Koch brothers," you refuse to explain what you even mean.

It simply means that the history of freedom is painted with overcoming oligarchs.

[Chris]

It simply means that the history of freedom is painted with overcoming oligarchs.

Fine, at least you left out libertarian Koch.

I would phrase it as the history of freedom is about overcoming oligarchs. I would add, such as the centralized, overregulating governments liberal progressives advocate and defend and that libertarians like Koch seek to knock down.

[jet57]

Fine, at least you left out libertarian Koch.

I would phrase it as the history of freedom is about overcoming oligarchs. I would add, such as the centralized, overregulating governments liberal progressives advocate and defend and that libertarians like Koch seek to knock down.

I can only say that you should read books.

[Mini Me]

Yes! Read the GODDAM book and then we can talk!

[Chris]

I'd suggest a book on logic, one that explains logical fallacies like attacking the messenger, Koch, in order to avoid discussing the topic.

[Captdon]

Nope: she's right; as I said she uses primary source material. If you don't read you don't learn.

And if you knew half as much about libertarians as you thought you did, you'd know that they are indeed radical right.

That's nutty. I'm not a libertarian and don't think they are all that sensible about some things. Chris knows it completely although he says he is libertarian but not a Libertarian. If he means party that makes sense.. You know nothing about it.

The radical right would like to see you in prison.

[Captdon]

Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and as police commissioner of New York he used to walk the streets at night and beat people up: what's your point? FDR walked into the worst financial crises that the country and the world had ever seen, he got people up and going and working and led this country to victory over the axis. This right-wing trashing of FDR has always been baseless and silly.

And again, if you're not willing to read, you're never going to learn what's going on around you. So I'll ask once more; do you know what the significance of "primary source documentation" is? You realize that that is how researchers prove their work right? So there's no conjecture in the books I've recommended.

Lastly
and your reply...

See what I mean about not reading? I guess you've never heard of the American Revolution, or The American Civil War, or the French revolution, or WWI, or WWII, or how the Celts sacked Rome, etc etc etc.
So I'll say it again - the history of freedom btw has always rested in overcoming the likes of the Koch brothers. Show me an instance where it has not.

Now show me where that statement is not true. So do you wish to discuss the history of freedom or not?

The Great Depression was ended by WWII. My parents were married in the Great Depression. He said being called up 1941 was the first full-time job he'd had in 11 years.

He couldn't get SCOTUS to allow some of his programs so the tried to pack the Court.

That's the liberal way when they can't get their way. Yea, FDR called himself a liberal because Wilson ruined that term. Now, you liberals want to call yourselves progressives because you made liberal a term for stupidity.

You don't know what you are but you know what Chris is.

[Captdon]

Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive though wasn't he; the point is that Republicans were progressives too, even though he beat people up...

The word "liberal" to FDR was more descriptive of his politics which is why he chose it.

As for what I read, what would like to know about? The American Revolution? David Mcculogh has a good book on it. An interesting title I have is The Secret History of the American Revolution; 1948 about Benedict Arnold: it's the story of the intelligence game during the war. Saul K Padover wrote Jefferson... I have over 500 volumes in my library, so where would you like to go? The Norman invasion of Sicily? Alexander the Great? Our Civil War andSenator John C Calhoun? Major Problems in American History perhaps; a college text book I had in school...

I have cited several examples of people having to go to war to overcome an oligarchy as we did and as did the French; as we did in our own streets in the 1930s. I have cited credible source material you to validate everything I've said. So if you still don't know what I mean then that's on you. The Koch Brother, Sheldon Adelson and host of others are seeking "economic liberty", you can read about that as well.

So you can read, or you can remain in the dark with respect to the world around you.

The topic IS the history of freedom right? If you know history, then you'll see that we're making that history in this country again right now.

Wow! 500 books. I have four times that many due to space restrictions.

Oligarchy is alive ans well in America. NY and California are prime examples. The top money people run them. My state is an oligarch. No money, no influence. Do you know what the term means?

[jet57]

Wow! 500 books. I have four times that many due to space restrictions.

Oligarchy is alive ans well in America. NY and California are prime examples. The top money people run them. My state is an oligarch. No money, no influence. Do you know what the term means?

Yeah, you have 2000 books; sure, whatever you say... South Carolina is an Oligarch.

(chuckle)

Here's the definition for your edification:

ol·i·garch
ˈäləˌɡärk/
noun
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• 1.
  a ruler in an oligarchy.
• 2.
  (especially in Russia) a very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence.

The Koch brothers are exactly what I said they are and so is Sheldon Adelson and Mclean's book lays all that out with primary source documentation to prove it.

In your comprehensive library you must have a book on reading comprehension in there somewhere.