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    How The Theory Of White Privilege Leads To Socialism

    Another lesson in history.


    How The Theory Of White Privilege Leads To Socialism

    In 1989, sociologist Peggy McIntosh penned a famous essay that propelled an ideological movement well beyond the ivory tower and into political discourse, pop culture commentary, and workplace seminars. It is now part of our modern lexicon.

    “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack” listed 50 examples of struggles white people don’t usually have, or perks of being the majority race, from being able to “see people of my race widely represented” in media to never being asked “to speak for all the people of my racial group.” These examples, according to McIntosh, are how “privilege” manifests.

    Yet white privilege theory, even as McIntosh conceived of it nearly 30 years ago, is far from benign. The danger this essay poses is not in acknowledging that the 50 occurrences McIntosh mentions do happen and can frustrate the efforts of black Americans and lead to feelings of being in the “out-group,” but in the surrounding commentary. It lays the groundwork for how white privilege theory is supposed to change our thought processes and economic systems.

    ...McIntosh advocates for a “taxonomy of privilege” and sees many of her examples as indicative of “conferred dominance.” When she says she sees “unearned advantages” as a type of “oppression,” she’s employing the language of neo-Marxism.

    Briefly, neo-Marxism divides the world between oppressor and oppressed and identifies a system, or systems, by which the oppression takes place. In classical Marxism, the oppressed were the proletariat, the oppressors were the bourgeoisie, and the system of oppression was capitalism. The Marxist framework has been adapted to categorize and pit against each other various group identities, all toward the end of establishing socialism.

    In gender, for instance, the oppressors are heterosexuals, the oppressed LGBTQ+, and the system of oppression is “heteronormativity.” In race, whites are oppressors, people of color the oppressed, and “white supremacy” is the system of oppression. In reading social justice literature, one quickly realizes “white supremacy” is the “conferred dominance” McIntosh refers to, which is sustained by a generally meritocratic system (capitalism).

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    We are doomed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    We are doomed.
    Not if we become educated.
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    A war is coming. A few millions will be killed. The peace will make things better for a while.
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    McIntosh has never been involved in politics and twisting her words to suggest that she is speaking the language of Marxism is utter nonsense. Her work has been involved in changing institutions from the inside out by dispelling the notions that women and/or minorities are somehow less capable because of systemic patriarchal and elitist views of the immutability of social, racial and gender stratification. Her issues are with the conditioning that creates these unconscious attitudes that result in social and economic barriers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Not if we become educated.

    Let me explain that. An economist, Arnold Kling, has a small book on The Three Languages of Politics. In it he explains how progressives tend to talk politics in terms of oppressor vs oppressed, conservatives in terms of civilization vs barbarism, and libertarians liberty vs coercion. I would go further and say that because people tend to talk in these ways they tend to see and frame things that way and accept them as truth even though they are just a way of framing the world around us. Becoming educated in this helps you see how people frame things. As Ben Shapiro says, in some video, you learn to catch people framing discussion in this or that way and learn how to reframe the discussion.

    Consider Polly's thread this morning framing a court decision in just the way progressives do, in terms of oppressor vs oppressed. She talks that way because she see the world that way. Knowing that, it's easy to reframe the discussion in your own terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    McIntosh has never been involved in politics and twisting her words to suggest that she is speaking the language of Marxism is utter nonsense. Her work has been involved in changing institutions from the inside out by dispelling the notions that women and/or minorities are somehow less capable because of systemic patriarchal and elitist views of the immutability of social, racial and gender stratification. Her issues are with the conditioning that creates these unconscious attitudes that result in social and economic barriers.

    https://www.newyorker.com/books/page...s-of-privilege

    I doubt McIntosh is aware of how she frames what she says. But it is easy to see how it fits into an oppressor vs oppressed framework, the very framework Marx viewed and explained the world in. The indoctrination runs deep, especially in universities, so people don't realize they are speaking Marxist gibberish, and some even get offended if you point it out to them.

    Keep in mind, too, that the OP identifies it not as Marxist but neo-Marxist, iow, postmodern identity politics.
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    This happens over and over in History. Sometimes they were ran out because they tried to take over too soon, other times they succeeded. It would be like a gang of people because these are tribal taking over a town. Different colors of skin, but if they are white they will not claim to be white. Some will change their names to blend in, infiltrate the Churches, schools, claim minority status to get free college to crank out lawyers, ect. Once they have a foothold and people trust them then they elect their own over the town. Change laws, dictate what schools can teach, and what is normal and flood the country of whatever is against your laws in the country.

    Marxist, Bolsheviks, communist, or whatever you want to call them because of our constitution they have had a hard time completely taking over but have succeeded in many areas and would have had the majority in the Supreme Court the year Obama left. Like Reagan said, one generation away.

    Marxist go into mostly Christian nations expecting people to not fight back and they will label any race that fights back as a racist and bigot. It's their MO, and they will fight for any group except you to have special rights. Once you cave and give any group of so called minority special rights they win. They can then take away freedom of speech, pass hate crime laws, and then your guns. And when people of the country wise up and speak out against them, they will call you white S or nationalist, and claim they are the real victims and have stupid people defending them, the ones they are against.

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    More: IDENTITY POLITICS & THE MARXIST LIE OF WHITE PRIVILEGE

    ...The postmodern philosophy “came into vogue” in the 1970s, according to Peterson, “after classic Marxism, especially of the economic type, had been so thoroughly discredited that no one but an absolute reprobate could support it publicly.”

    Peterson said it’s not possible to understand our current society without considering the role postmodernism plays within it, “because postmodernism, in many ways—especially as it’s played out politically—is the new skin that the old Marxism now inhabits.”

    “Even the French intellectuals had to admit that communism was a bad deal by the end of the 1960s,” he said. From there, the communists played a “sleight of hand game, in some sense,” and rebranded their ideology “under a postmodern guise.”

    The Marxist concepts of the “oppressed and the oppressor” continued to manifest themselves in countless ways eventually leading to the coining of the phrase “white privilege” by Peggy McIntosh in the late 1980s. Eventually, the neo-Marxist concept of “white privilege” evolved into social doctrine within progressive political camps....
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    And here is a positive view that ties privilege to intersectionality, On privilege theory and intersectionality:

    Privilege theorist Peggy McIntosh talks of white privilege as “an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, assurances, tools, maps, guides, codebooks, passports, visas, clothes, compass, emergency gear, and blank cheques”. The term privilege is seen to go beyond the concept of ‘economic class’ to enable us to identify and understand how various oppressions affect our social relations and interactions with one another. Furthermore, privilege theory and intersectionality reject a division between so-called primary (class-based) and secondary struggles (for example, based around gender, ‘race’, and sexuality).

    The basic premise of privilege theory is that wherever there is an oppressive system – notably, capitalism, patriarchy, white supremacy, heteronormativity – there is both an oppressed group of people and a privileged group of people (who, consciously or not, benefit to a degree). Intersectionality is the idea that we are all privileged by some systems of oppression and burdened by other systems of oppression, thus our privileges and our oppressions intersect.

    By lacking full awareness of our privileges and their intersectionality, we are politically divided and weak. And while we cannot be held responsible for the systems of oppression that impart privilege upon us, we do have a choice in terms of how we respond to such privilege (for instance, to our whiteness, to our maleness, to our straightness, to our ableness, and so on). For leftists then, the privileged have a critical role to play in the struggles against systems of oppression but not a leading role, since oppressed groups – with their own unique insight and experience – should head the struggles to end their oppressions.

    It is easy to appreciate why privilege theory and intersectionality have broad appeal, and to see the potential for a constructive and creative exchange towards a politics capable of realising a ‘new normal’.
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