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    History of Freedom

    Liberals hate this man of liberty who stands against cronyism.

    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Words words words, anyone remember what the nuns used to say, still true. Americans are led by words and the simpler the more they believe. Say freedom five times and the genii appears. If you seriously want to learn about the Kochs read Jane Mayer's 'Dark Money'. If you want to be educated by a YouTube, have at it.

    I realize this is too much info but someone may learn or take the time to learn.

    "Koch’s detractors also like to point out the irony of the so-called grassroots tea-party movement’s being funded by a billionaire. Koch’s real motives, they say, are self-serving. In April, Fang posted a dossier on Koch that attributes to his groups a decades-long pattern of “Astroturfing”—funding movements designed to look grassroots, but which in fact represent corporate interests.

    Richard Fink insists that Koch’s political activity is about principles, not money. “I view David as a courageous American who has a set of beliefs that he’s willing to support consistently over time despite all the flak he gets,” Fink says. “Very few people would do that.”"
    http://nymag.com/news/features/67285/index4.html

    "The Koch brothers contribute a large amount of money to conservative, libertarian, and free-market individuals and organizations.[1] They have given more than $196 million to dozens of free-market and advocacy organizations.[1] Tax records indicate that, in 2008, the three main Koch family foundations contributed to 34 political and policy organizations, three of which they founded, and several of which they direct.[1][2]”
    https://obamacarefacts.com/koch-brot...cts-obamacare/

    "The advocacy groups helmed by Charles and David Koch have unveiled a new pool of money for advertisements, field programs and mailings that would exclude those who vote for the health care bill they oppose on Thursday. The effort, which they described as worth millions of dollars, is an explicit warning to on-the-fence Republicans from one of the most influential players in electoral politics not to cross them."
    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03...althcare-bill/

    "Their political network helped finance the Tea Party and powers today's GOP. Koch-affiliated organizations raised some $400 million during the 2012 election, and aim to spend another $290 million to elect Republicans in this year's midterms. So far in this cycle, Koch-backed entities have bought 44,000 political ads to boost Republican efforts to take back the Senate." guess what?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...mpire-20140924

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...erica-20140604


    "By some accounts, the Koch brothers invested approximately $88 million between 1997-2011 into fighting studies on climate change and environmental regulations of the fossil fuel industry. We submit that the CKF’s history of supporting specious anti-science research and organizations, aimed to protect the profit of their own industries, potentially damages Wake Forest’s academic reputation, scholarly credibility, and Pro Humanitate commitment to social justice."


    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...ubfLg/viewform


    "Inside the Koch brothers' secret plan to absorb Trump's ogre DNA, alter reality and attack Hillary from the left' Andrew O'Hehir

    http://www.salon.com/2015/08/08/jeb_...razy_campaign/


    "Last year eight Americans — the four Waltons of Walmart fame, the two Koch brothers, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffett — made more money than 3.6 million American minimum-wage workers combined. The median pay for CEOs at America’s large corporations rose to $10 million per year, while a typical chief executive now makes about 257 times the average worker’s salary, up sharply from 181 times in 2009. Overall, 1% of Americans own more than a third of the country’s wealth."

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/06/ques...-produces.html


    "Just in case you aren’t yet rock-bottom certain about the reality of that divide, here are some stats: the top 1% of Americans hold 35% of the nation’s net worth; the bottom 80%, only 11% percent. The United States has such an unequal distribution of wealth that, in global rankings, it falls among the planet’s kleptocracies, not the developed nations that were once its peers. The mathematical measure of wealth-inequality is called “Gini,” and the higher it is, the more extreme a nation’s wealth-inequality. The Gini for the U.S. is 85; for Germany, 77; Canada, 72; and Bangladesh, 64. Nations more unequal than the U.S. include Kazakhstan at 86 and the Ukraine at 90. The African continent tips in at just under 85. Odd company for the self-proclaimed "indispensable nation.""

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/06/ques...-produces.html
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    ^^"Words words words"--how ironic.

    And not one word on the history of freedom.
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    And not a word about Soros.
    Democrats are a clear and present danger to our democracy and our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    And not a word about Soros.
    Soros is an oddity. I've seen him speak in videos about how Hayekian he is--all without giving a hint he even understood Hayek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Liberals hate this man of liberty who stands against cronyism.

    Charles Koch stands for a new house of lords. That's what he's all about. "Liberty" to do what he wants to do; not everybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Charles Koch stands for a new house of lords. That's what he's all about. "Liberty" to do what he wants to do; not everybody else.
    I'd love to see some evidence of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I'd love to see some evidence of that.
    Democracy in Chains; Nancy Maclean: Viking Press, NY, 2017

    The entire and full story is in that book backed by primary source documentation and in their own words. If you want to know what is really going on there AND with the Libertarian party I suggest that you read the book, and then compare it to the speeches of Senator John C. Calhoun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Democracy in Chains; Nancy Maclean: Viking Press, NY, 2017

    The entire and full story is in that book backed by primary source documentation and in their own words. If you want to know what is really going on there AND with the Libertarian party I suggest that you read the book, and then compare it to the speeches of Senator John C. Calhoun.
    That tells me nothing. And she's wrong. The book's subtitle is "The Deep History of the Radical Right's Stealth Plan for America." Radical right? That's not libertarian. Forgive me if I give the book a pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Words words words, anyone remember what the nuns used to say, still true. Americans are led by words and the simpler the more they believe. Say freedom five times and the genii appears. If you seriously want to learn about the Kochs read Jane Mayer's 'Dark Money'. If you want to be educated by a YouTube, have at it.

    I realize this is too much info but someone may learn or take the time to learn.

    "Koch’s detractors also like to point out the irony of the so-called grassroots tea-party movement’s being funded by a billionaire. Koch’s real motives, they say, are self-serving. In April, Fang posted a dossier on Koch that attributes to his groups a decades-long pattern of “Astroturfing”—funding movements designed to look grassroots, but which in fact represent corporate interests.

    Richard Fink insists that Koch’s political activity is about principles, not money. “I view David as a courageous American who has a set of beliefs that he’s willing to support consistently over time despite all the flak he gets,” Fink says. “Very few people would do that.”"
    http://nymag.com/news/features/67285/index4.html

    "The Koch brothers contribute a large amount of money to conservative, libertarian, and free-market individuals and organizations.[1] They have given more than $196 million to dozens of free-market and advocacy organizations.[1] Tax records indicate that, in 2008, the three main Koch family foundations contributed to 34 political and policy organizations, three of which they founded, and several of which they direct.[1][2]”
    https://obamacarefacts.com/koch-brot...cts-obamacare/

    "The advocacy groups helmed by Charles and David Koch have unveiled a new pool of money for advertisements, field programs and mailings that would exclude those who vote for the health care bill they oppose on Thursday. The effort, which they described as worth millions of dollars, is an explicit warning to on-the-fence Republicans from one of the most influential players in electoral politics not to cross them."
    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03...althcare-bill/

    "Their political network helped finance the Tea Party and powers today's GOP. Koch-affiliated organizations raised some $400 million during the 2012 election, and aim to spend another $290 million to elect Republicans in this year's midterms. So far in this cycle, Koch-backed entities have bought 44,000 political ads to boost Republican efforts to take back the Senate." guess what?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...mpire-20140924

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...erica-20140604


    "By some accounts, the Koch brothers invested approximately $88 million between 1997-2011 into fighting studies on climate change and environmental regulations of the fossil fuel industry. We submit that the CKF’s history of supporting specious anti-science research and organizations, aimed to protect the profit of their own industries, potentially damages Wake Forest’s academic reputation, scholarly credibility, and Pro Humanitate commitment to social justice."


    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...ubfLg/viewform


    "Inside the Koch brothers' secret plan to absorb Trump's ogre DNA, alter reality and attack Hillary from the left' Andrew O'Hehir

    http://www.salon.com/2015/08/08/jeb_...razy_campaign/


    "Last year eight Americans — the four Waltons of Walmart fame, the two Koch brothers, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffett — made more money than 3.6 million American minimum-wage workers combined. The median pay for CEOs at America’s large corporations rose to $10 million per year, while a typical chief executive now makes about 257 times the average worker’s salary, up sharply from 181 times in 2009. Overall, 1% of Americans own more than a third of the country’s wealth."

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/06/ques...-produces.html


    "Just in case you aren’t yet rock-bottom certain about the reality of that divide, here are some stats: the top 1% of Americans hold 35% of the nation’s net worth; the bottom 80%, only 11% percent. The United States has such an unequal distribution of wealth that, in global rankings, it falls among the planet’s kleptocracies, not the developed nations that were once its peers. The mathematical measure of wealth-inequality is called “Gini,” and the higher it is, the more extreme a nation’s wealth-inequality. The Gini for the U.S. is 85; for Germany, 77; Canada, 72; and Bangladesh, 64. Nations more unequal than the U.S. include Kazakhstan at 86 and the Ukraine at 90. The African continent tips in at just under 85. Odd company for the self-proclaimed "indispensable nation.""

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/06/ques...-produces.html
    Usual claptrap. Nations are led by actions. Words are just words as you always prove,
    Democrats are a clear and present danger to our democracy and our society.

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