Op ed: A President Clinton would have made things much worse

[Captdon]

It would have been bad no matter who was president. The only person who would have been worse than Trump is Pence. You will see in a few years time Trump has done nothing for you. He is working on behalf of the corporations. You may not be able to see into what is really happening but at some point in the future you will. It is normally like that. For some reason all the people who feel like they were not being heard as hardcore right wing republicans, feel vindicated that they have a republican again. They don't even care what kind of person that is. It is really strange behavior.

The democrat and republican label is just an illusion. What we should be considering for a president, is what kind of human being he is not what labels he has. Who cares what side he is on, as long as he is a decent human being. Also to accept all monstrous deeds from that person without reservation because you love the way that person does business is also not normal behavior.

We all lose.

Your business transaction is strange...…
It is our asses being transacted!

I'm glad to have a President keeping his promises as much as the Congress and the courts allow him to.
You see what you want to see. I see what is going on.

What monstrous deed has Trump done? I mean for real not you imagination.

What have you lost?

[Captdon]

Let me ask YOU.......why do you keep saying I am a liberal or a leftist when I say I dont believe in that. You are telling me what I am not asking.

You made a list of lies and can't back them up.

Yes, tell us exactly what you have lost? It should be easy if it's true.

[Captdon]

I will tell you a few things that he has taken from you. He has made it so that he can plunder and mine even in national parks everywhere except off his own shore in Florida. In the near future your national parks will be destroyed, there will be disasters like oil spills wild life destruction and your children and children's children will not get to see the same earth that we had to enjoy. Here is one link https://www.quora.com/Is-Trump-talki...national-parks.

He is going to sell your land to pay the national debt.....for reals? Think about what this really means, wake up. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-tr...-national-debt

Trump is giving up US businesses to foreign interests to make deals, YOUR oil now belongs to Saudi Arabia http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/01/inve...hur/index.html

Another thing that he has done is bring out of the closet so many racists, and that is harmful for everyone. We are experiencing the effects of that now.

Another thing he has done is get rid of your rights to privacy. He has repealed net neutrality http://time.com/4724128/donald-trump...owser-history/

Violence and confusion have become the norm since Trump was elected, our nation is already no longer the nation it was before his election https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnash...2R#.orP55Lm18P

The things he has done to you now are in the form of cause and what will become of them in the future will be the effect. We are already experiencing many of the effects but the worst is yet to come. These are just a few of the things. I don't really have the time to delve into it deeply right now but even just this should be enough.

You are being sold out.
You think just because he is selling out your nation to the highest bidder that it is increasing jobs and you think it is a good thing. Think again.

Everything you said is a lie.


Net Neutrality isn't about privacy.

The violence and confusion was Obama's gift to America.

Our oil belongs to us.

No one is doing anything is our National Parks. He has opened a little federal land that's all.

Is this Fabrication Day.

[Just AnotherPerson]

He has sold nothing to no one. He has sold out no one. So, a decrease in jobs is good. More money in your pocket is bad. Clinton had her hand in the biggest sell-out since Judas. Recall the mortgage lending thing that was started on Bill's watch, carried on by Bush. Now you damned sure know that Hillary had his full support. but at the end of the day, I could trust Trump more than I could Hillary. I think he's doing the job he said he would. but a little secret, I don't trust anyone that promises me the moon, I just watch what he does.
Would you rather have some mealy-mouth that does everything he's told to do? That guys is even more corruptible than Trump. And Hilly's absolutely nuts.
Naw, I'll take my Trump appointed SCOTUS judges over someone who has professed a deep hatred for the 1st and 2nd A............AND calls me, her would-be employer, deplorable.

If having something means I have to hurt another living being then I would rather go without. How much more so if having something means I will destroy life for the children of the future.

There are other means to get what we want in life. There is no need to do it the dirty way.

Keep in mind here you are telling me I wanted Hillary again, I keep telling you I don't choose a side. I am on the side of humanity. I believe in the dignity and preciousness of all living beings no matter their color. I do not care if they are republican or democrat. All I care about is if you are a decent human being there is nothing else that matters.

I do appreciate you view though and I can understand how you got there, but as for me I just don't share your view. I am in agreement with you on Pence and Hillary, and Bush......we do have some common ground. Just because we disagree on some a huge issues does not mean that we have to disagree on everything.

If I could choose a president it would be someone who is a true human being. It would not be someone who is cold and is a murderer and to get what they want will kill all those in their way. I would not choose someone who would sell us out. I would not choose a person who would destroy my land. I would not choose a person who intends to take away our freedom.

[Just AnotherPerson]

You made a list of lies and can't back them up.

Yes, tell us exactly what you have lost? It should be easy if it's true.

You are wrong I gave a list and backed them up. None of what I said was a lie. You just wait and see where net neutrality repeal leads. You are about to loose all your freedom. You are going to truly with all your heart regret that you were pushing for all of the things that will in the end destroy everything you hold dear. You cant see it now but you will. It's not far away.

Here is how the media works. Let's say I slapped you and you seen me do it. You know 100% for sure I slapped you. But then someone came and said oh my god I cant believe that other guy slapped you, and you were like no wait a minute it was her who slapped me. But they kept telling you over and over again that the other guy slapped you and pretty soon you just think the other guy slapped you. This is the kind of game that the media plays on our minds, and that is why people are so confused.

[donttread]

Op ed: A President Clinton would have made things much worse
By Michael Goodwin

To put the roller-coaster presidency of Donald Trump in perspective, it helps on occasion to imagine that Hillary Clinton won the election. My experience is that the exercise leads to greater appreciation of the president we have, warts and all.
Start with Clinton herself. She has spent the last 18 months in a perpetual snit. “No, I’m not over it,” she confessed while turning Yale’s commencement into a self-pity party.
Anyone who has dealt with her knows the “I’m a victim” schtick didn’t start with November of 2016, and would not have ended if she won. She’s been a blamer and finger-pointer her entire public life and would have taken her woe-is-me attitude to the Oval Office.
Coupled with her breathtaking sense of entitlement, it is hard to see her presidency lifting the nation’s self-confidence, at home or abroad.
In economic terms, how much higher would unemployment be? How about the stock market and median family incomes — how much lower would they be?
Remember, Clinton promised — promised! — to put coal miners out of work. That’s a promise she probably would have kept.
She wanted to raise taxes instead of cutting them and loosen already lax immigration policies instead of tightening them.
She was part of President Obama’s team that tried to force Israel to make concessions its leaders believed were dangerous to the Jewish state’s security. It’s a cinch the US embassy still would be in Tel Aviv instead of Jerusalem and Palestinians would have kept a veto over our policy.
The Iran deal would be unmolested by a Clinton presidency, leaving the mullahs free to be ever more aggressive in their pursuit of regional power.
It’s true a President Clinton would be more popular in Western Europe than Trump is, but that’s because there would be no America First agenda. Allowing Europe to call the global shots would make appeasement the default position.
Then there are the aggressions of China and North Korea. Breathes there a soul who believes Clinton would have pushed back harder than Trump?
Of course, Stormy Daniels wouldn’t be famous, but perhaps Clinton’s friend and donor Harvey Weinstein would still be on the prowl and the #MeToo movement would not exist.
Among other consequences, consider the extraordinary political and legal aftermath of the election, ranging from the resistance to Robert Mueller’s investigation to the emerging evidence that the FBI and CIA conspired to spy on the Trump campaign.
My first impulse is to assume Clinton would have fired FBI boss James Comey faster than Trump did. Then I wonder because of what Comey had on her.
It’s not just that he let her skip on having classified emails on her homebrew server. There were also the aborted FBI probes into the pay-to-play evidence involving the Clinton Foundation and Bill Clinton’s enormous speaking fees while Hillary was Secretary of State. Somewhere, Comey surely has a secret file on Clinton’s legal and political vulnerabilities.
Suppose then, in true J. Edgar Hoover fashion, Comey signaled he would spill the beans if he lost his job. It’s legal blackmail, and it’s possible that’s what Comey tried to do with Trump by telling him about the Russian dossier — using unverified allegations as personal leverage.
A victorious Clinton would have remained furious at Comey for re-opening the email investigation in October. But, having realized her dream of sitting in the Oval Office, her anger could have been reduced to a footnote and she might have decided she was best served by letting Comey keep his job — and his secrets.
Of all the possible scenarios, there is one about which we can be certain: a Clinton victory would have kept the public from learning about the Obama administration’s extensive abuse of its powers to help her.
Her victory would mean Stefan Halper, Carter Page and George Papadopoulos would remain anonymous private citizens, and key players involved in the scheme would still have their reputations intact.
Loretta Lynch, for helping to minimize the various probes, might be Clinton’s Attorney General. John Brennan, James Clapper, Susan Rice and Samantha Power might have important government jobs instead of having to fight to keep their dirty tricks buried.
Mueller would be in private law practice, the highlight of his bio being that he was the longest-serving FBI director since Hoover. Instead, his legacy is now tied to his drawn-out investigation of the president that is falling out of public favor.
As for Trump, a Clinton victory would have been devastating, but he probably would have started a new media company and created his own form of a resistance. Given his Midas touch, a loss could have been the most profitable deal of his life.
But fate and voters had other ideas, and the truly remarkable fact is that Trump’s stunning Electoral College victory came despite the alliance of the White House, law enforcement, the intelligence agencies and the media against him.
In coming days, we will learn more about that squalid alliance, giving us more reason to marvel at the resiliency of our republic. And even when it looks as if Trump is running off the rails, consider the alternative and remember this: It could have been worse. Much worse.

https://nypost.com/2018/05/26/a-pres...gs-much-worse/

yep, it could have been much, much, worse

A guess I agree with but lets face it , it is just a guess. One of the tough things about life is that we can never know the road not traveled.
Typically however, recent democrat and republican regimes just set spending and debt records, wage constant war and really don't fix much. So we will have to see if Trump breaks that trend or continues it.

[Chris]

I hear Hillary wants to be CEO of Facebook.

[stjames1_53]

I hear Hillary wants to be CEO of Facebook.

she'll bleed them dry, just like she bled out the DNC

[RadioGod]

Everything you said is a lie.


Net Neutrality isn't about privacy.

The violence and confusion was Obama's gift to America.

Our oil belongs to us.

No one is doing anything is our National Parks. He has opened a little federal land that's all.

Is this Fabrication Day.

So net neutrality isn't about privacy? Net neutrality is about ISP's providing access to all web traffic equally. The regulations the FCC had in support of that just got revoked. So net neutrality is no longer a reality in the US anymore. Along with net neutrality, other rules were rescinded, such as the reasonable expectation of privacy with any device connected to the internet. All ISP's and all 3rd party apps or other parties with access to your personal information, like medical records, driving records, phone records, even conversations you have in your own home in front of your smart tv, IOT device, or cell phone, etc., are now no longer private.
So, yes, the net neutrality regulations that got rolled back have everything to do with privacy. Or, should I say, it has everything to do with making all of us more of a commodity than we already were, where our entire lives get summed up and calculated out, in real time, and used to expand the profit making scope of some already rich and thoughtless b*stards.
About our oil, it should be ours. So is our own front yards. But if I live in an HOA neihgborhood, even though the yard is mine, someone else controls it. They even charge me for excercising control over it. Our oil resources are much the same. Most of our oil business is managed by non-US based companies or multinational corporations that happen to have an office in the US. Don't believe the commercials that show an american bald eagle soaring freely and majestically through the clear blue US skies and talk about how many american jobs they bring in and how much they love you. That is the propaganda. That is fabrication day. They will frack your backyard and hose you down with toxic fumes and even when you can light your water on fire, they will claim you are crazy and un-american to even mention it. And even worse, they will go out to some party with all their business freinds and joke about the idiots who were twitching on tv from benzene destroying their nervous system.
I live in an area where I have personally seen a thousand fold increase in logging trucks hauling trees out of BLM, state, and national forests. This just started this early spring. They usually run in small bursts as forestry contracts are bid on and OK'ed for logging. Now they have run non-stop for over 2 months. The local lumber yard has started looking like old pictures from the clear cutting of the 1890's to 1930's. And on top of that, the lumber prices at the yard have doubled, even though it's being cut and processed right next door, from trees right down the road. Don't be suprised when it costs $100 for a 2"x 4" when we have no more trees in a couple years. This is totally because Trump has rolled back protections and regulations that tried to keep runaway plundering in check.

[Chris]

So net neutrality isn't about privacy? Net neutrality is about ISP's providing access to all web traffic equally. The regulations the FCC had in support of that just got revoked. So net neutrality is no longer a reality in the US anymore. Along with net neutrality, other rules were rescinded, such as the reasonable expectation of privacy with any device connected to the internet. All ISP's and all 3rd party apps or other parties with access to your personal information, like medical records, driving records, phone records, even conversations you have in your own home in front of your smart tv, IOT device, or cell phone, etc., are now no longer private.
So, yes, the net neutrality regulations that got rolled back have everything to do with privacy. Or, should I say, it has everything to do with making all of us more of a commodity than we already were, where our entire lives get summed up and calculated out, in real time, and used to expand the profit making scope of some already rich and thoughtless b*stards.
About our oil, it should be ours. So is our own front yards. But if I live in an HOA neihgborhood, even though the yard is mine, someone else controls it. They even charge me for excercising control over it. Our oil resources are much the same. Most of our oil business is managed by non-US based companies or multinational corporations that happen to have an office in the US. Don't believe the commercials that show an american bald eagle soaring freely and majestically through the clear blue US skies and talk about how many american jobs they bring in and how much they love you. That is the propaganda. That is fabrication day. They will frack your backyard and hose you down with toxic fumes and even when you can light your water on fire, they will claim you are crazy and un-american to even mention it. And even worse, they will go out to some party with all their business freinds and joke about the idiots who were twitching on tv from benzene destroying their nervous system.
I live in an area where I have personally seen a thousand fold increase in logging trucks hauling trees out of BLM, state, and national forests. This just started this early spring. They usually run in small bursts as forestry contracts are bid on and OK'ed for logging. Now they have run non-stop for over 2 months. The local lumber yard has started looking like old pictures from the clear cutting of the 1890's to 1930's. And on top of that, the lumber prices at the yard have doubled, even though it's being cut and processed right next door, from trees right down the road. Don't be suprised when it costs $100 for a 2"x 4" when we have no more trees in a couple years. This is totally because Trump has rolled back protections and regulations that tried to keep runaway plundering in check.

So you believe the liberal hype that net neutrality is neutral?


Plundering? Where did this happen before that regulation and now that it has been revoked?