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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The basis of the modern Jihad movement is from the 1800s.

    I'm talking about the hate Mohammand lived and taught vs. the peace and love that Jesus lived and taught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I'm always amazed by how people can claim the unacceptable practices of Islam aren't really representative of Islam.
    Why - the practices predate Islam - that's why they are cultural practices and why they are not practiced by all Muslims. The same goes for the wearing of the hijab, burqa and niqab. They are not mandated in the Quran which only calls for both men and women to 'cover and be modest' which is open to the interpretation of the reader. However, head coverings for women and men were standard forms of dress in the middle east long before the birth of Islam. It is no coincidence that the standard garb of Catholic nuns for centuries was rather similar to the modest forms of dress assumed by middle eastern women, given the origins of Christianity. Certainly the more fundamentalist the Muslim sect, the more covered the women - not because Islam dictates it, but because fundamentalists are the most extreme and controlling sects and the most highly patriarchal communities. That tends to be true of all fundamentalist sects of religions which I believe attract insecure, possessive men and in turn teach boys to become insecure, possessive and rather misogynistic while casting all females in the roles of potential Jezebels unless they become virtually invisible in society.

    It's fairly obvious the Islam spreads most quickly among the poorest people, where males get the least respect in society and given that there is no regulation that requires Imam's to be formally educated in Islam, they spread whatever cherry-picked biased version of Islam that is likely to garner the most male adherents.

    The destabilization of the middle east has resulted in widespread poverty and in turn that has allowed agenda driven snake oil salesmen, masquerading as religious leaders to promulgate a violent and misogynistic version of Islam both to command greater obedience among adherents and to grow soldiers in the battle for religious and thus political domination in the middle east. If you go back 30 or more years, you would see that middle eastern societies were modernizing and women had far more personal freedom, including education and careers outside of the home. They even walked around freely without head coverings in many countries. Politics has driven Islam into a cultural dark age, but let's not pretend that it's really the religion that is to blame but instead the agents of chaos that have grown like weeds amid the destruction wrought by outside forces.

    That doesn't mean that one should welcome packs of wolves among the unsuspecting sheep in the west. However, blaming Islam for the fallout from geopolitical meddling and proxy wars is as patently unfair as blaming Christianity for the activities of the Catholic Church during Inquisition(s), the Salem Witch Trials and the antics of the Westboro Baptist Church.
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    Posted by Peter1469:

    The basis of the modern Jihad movement is...
    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    I'm talking about the hate Mohammand lived and taught vs. the peace and love that Jesus lived and taught.
    The tapestry of what is real life may be read from, "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ", per chapters, "Life and Works of Jesus in India", "Life and Works of Jesus in Tibet and Western India", "Life and Works of Jesus in Persia", "Life and Works of Jesus in Assyria", "Life and Works of Jesus in Greece", to "Life and Works of Jesus in Egypt".

    In Egypt, chapter 47, verses 9-15: "And Jesus stayed in Zoan many days; and then went forth unto the city of the sun, that men call Heliopolis, and sought admission to the temple of the sacred brotherhood. The council of the brotherhood convened...", and so He took an oath of the office, as He held onto the truth He had, as He held to the higher secrets.

    That if honor be none, it is so, that if untrustworthy manifests itself, that if deceit is paramount, it is the stifling ring that carries its effects right back to where it originated from. As the circle is the symbol of the perfect man, and seven is the number of the perfect man, as the Logos is the perfect word of that which creates, that which saves, that which destroys, so as in the days of Noah are the last days.

    The first degree is Sincerity, the second degree is Justice, the third degree is Faith, the fourth degree is Philanthropy, the fifth degree is Heroism, the sixth degree is Love Divine, and the seventh, or highest degree, is the Christ, and that is taken from, "Life and Works of Jesus in Egypt". The captives must be set free, and where freedom may doubt, let it be so. Democracies were made to be torn down, as they will be, as it was by them, the Islamic state found itself grow to be prosperous.
    Plant farms and animal sanctuaries with just compensation: Genesis 1:29-30, 2-3, Lev. 24:18-22, Psalm 50, Isaiah 1, 11:6-9, 65, 66, Daniel 1, Hosea 2:18, Revelation 20-22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion Rules View Post
    The tapestry of what is real life may be read from, "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ", per chapters, "Life and Works of Jesus in India", "Life and Works of Jesus in Tibet and Western India", "Life and Works of Jesus in Persia", "Life and Works of Jesus in Assyria", "Life and Works of Jesus in Greece", to "Life and Works of Jesus in Egypt".

    In Egypt, chapter 47, verses 9-15: "And Jesus stayed in Zoan many days; and then went forth unto the city of the sun, that men call Heliopolis, and sought admission to the temple of the sacred brotherhood. The council of the brotherhood convened...", and so He took an oath of the office, as He held onto the truth He had, as He held to the higher secrets.

    That if honor be none, it is so, that if untrustworthy manifests itself, that if deceit is paramount, it is the stifling ring that carries its effects right back to where it originated from. As the circle is the symbol of the perfect man, and seven is the number of the perfect man, as the Logos is the perfect word of that which creates, that which saves, that which destroys, so as in the days of Noah are the last days.

    The first degree is Sincerity, the second degree is Justice, the third degree is Faith, the fourth degree is Philanthropy, the fifth degree is Heroism, the sixth degree is Love Divine, and the seventh, or highest degree, is the Christ, and that is taken from, "Life and Works of Jesus in Egypt". The captives must be set free, and where freedom may doubt, let it be so. Democracies were made to be torn down, as they will be, as it was by them, the Islamic state found itself grow to be prosperous.

    Where's the connection ? Not being a smart ass , I just want to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Why - the practices predate Islam - that's why they are cultural practices and why they are not practiced by all Muslims. The same goes for the wearing of the hijab, burqa and niqab. They are not mandated in the Quran which only calls for both men and women to 'cover and be modest' which is open to the interpretation of the reader. However, head coverings for women and men were standard forms of dress in the middle east long before the birth of Islam. It is no coincidence that the standard garb of Catholic nuns for centuries was rather similar to the modest forms of dress assumed by middle eastern women, given the origins of Christianity. Certainly the more fundamentalist the Muslim sect, the more covered the women - not because Islam dictates it, but because fundamentalists are the most extreme and controlling sects and the most highly patriarchal communities. That tends to be true of all fundamentalist sects of religions which I believe attract insecure, possessive men and in turn teach boys to become insecure, possessive and rather misogynistic while casting all females in the roles of potential Jezebels unless they become virtually invisible in society.

    It's fairly obvious the Islam spreads most quickly among the poorest people, where males get the least respect in society and given that there is no regulation that requires Imam's to be formally educated in Islam, they spread whatever cherry-picked biased version of Islam that is likely to garner the most male adherents.

    The destabilization of the middle east has resulted in widespread poverty and in turn that has allowed agenda driven snake oil salesmen, masquerading as religious leaders to promulgate a violent and misogynistic version of Islam both to command greater obedience among adherents and to grow soldiers in the battle for religious and thus political domination in the middle east. If you go back 30 or more years, you would see that middle eastern societies were modernizing and women had far more personal freedom, including education and careers outside of the home. They even walked around freely without head coverings in many countries. Politics has driven Islam into a cultural dark age, but let's not pretend that it's really the religion that is to blame but instead the agents of chaos that have grown like weeds amid the destruction wrought by outside forces.

    That doesn't mean that one should welcome packs of wolves among the unsuspecting sheep in the west. However, blaming Islam for the fallout from geopolitical meddling and proxy wars is as patently unfair as blaming Christianity for the activities of the Catholic Church during Inquisition(s), the Salem Witch Trials and the antics of the Westboro Baptist Church.
    You make some great points, Dr. Who, thanks.
    I think the bolded are correlated and having a negative impact on the regions that accept poor migrants from Muslim countries. A better solution is to resettle them into areas that share cultural and social beliefs, since it's virtually impossible that they will assimilate into societies that accept women as equals.
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    You don't have to be a Muslim to be criminal. Hasty generalization is no more acceptable.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/10/u...ape/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equality View Post
    You don't have to be a Muslim to be criminal. Hasty generalization is no more acceptable.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/10/u...ape/index.html
    Not sure that is on topic. Also I don't think anyone ever made that argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyS View Post
    You make some great points, Dr. Who, thanks.
    I think the bolded are correlated and having a negative impact on the regions that accept poor migrants from Muslim countries. A better solution is to resettle them into areas that share cultural and social beliefs, since it's virtually impossible that they will assimilate into societies that accept women as equals.
    I don't disagree, although I don't really see women and young children as being dangers and perhaps if the women can refuge in the west, the there would be sufficient resources in other Muslim countries for the young males.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I don't disagree, although I don't really see women and young children as being dangers and perhaps if the women can refuge in the west, the there would be sufficient resources in other Muslim countries for the young males.

    It depends of course, and each one should be vetted as best as possible. My first reaction was to agree with you, but then I remember the radicalized women who participated in attacks around the world. It's entirely possible that Muslim women that immigrate here (for example) from terrorist countries, will maintain ties to radicalized men in their home country.

    ETA: I believe the European countries that have allowed unlimited immigration are at a point of no return. Women and young girls are being subjected to sexual assault, murder, etc., because governments refuse to acknowledge what is right in front of their face. Most disturbing to me is some of those countries are governed by women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Why - the practices predate Islam - that's why they are cultural practices and why they are not practiced by all Muslims. The same goes for the wearing of the hijab, burqa and niqab. They are not mandated in the Quran which only calls for both men and women to 'cover and be modest' which is open to the interpretation of the reader. However, head coverings for women and men were standard forms of dress in the middle east long before the birth of Islam. It is no coincidence that the standard garb of Catholic nuns for centuries was rather similar to the modest forms of dress assumed by middle eastern women, given the origins of Christianity. Certainly the more fundamentalist the Muslim sect, the more covered the women - not because Islam dictates it, but because fundamentalists are the most extreme and controlling sects and the most highly patriarchal communities. That tends to be true of all fundamentalist sects of religions which I believe attract insecure, possessive men and in turn teach boys to become insecure, possessive and rather misogynistic while casting all females in the roles of potential Jezebels unless they become virtually invisible in society.

    It's fairly obvious the Islam spreads most quickly among the poorest people, where males get the least respect in society and given that there is no regulation that requires Imam's to be formally educated in Islam, they spread whatever cherry-picked biased version of Islam that is likely to garner the most male adherents.

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    That doesn't mean that one should welcome packs of wolves among the unsuspecting sheep in the west. However, blaming Islam for the fallout from geopolitical meddling and proxy wars is as patently unfair as blaming Christianity for the activities of the Catholic Church during Inquisition(s), the Salem Witch Trials and the antics of the Westboro Baptist Church.
    Great stuff, Dr. Who. And perhaps the Fatwa written by Osama Bin Laden an example of a pack of wolves that torched off the events climaxing for al-Qaeda on 9-11-01.

    https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

    Don't want you wasting time on research so posted the Fatwa for your review.

    Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

    My viewpoint, Dr. Who, is that the religion itself has a tad bit more influence than your post gives it credit for.

    BTW.....that link holds a wealth of information. Many Observers of the Iraq War, Dr. Who, don't know the answer to why the US would invade and change the regime in Iraq when Saudis based from Afghanistan attacked us on 9-11. That Fatwa.....explains why. Osama Bin Laden gives his "three facts known to everyone" in explaining exactly why he and his henchmen attacked us. But do focus on how he begins it as well...he truly thinks he is Allah's Will.
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