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Thread: Is Democracy to Blame for Our Present Crisis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Really? Do we have to explain that?

    Even anarchy is not free from tyrany. For example, in anarchy there are no checks in the groups. For example, in your idea of anarchy we have many powerful groups that could become tyranny:
    - Religious groups: You keep them as they are, unchecked. It means that they can easily rise and take control.
    - Corporations: They are organized in vertical form, completely unchecked by the rest. They can get power enough to control and tyranize.
    - Other vertical structures like families, even you have talked from time to time, that some kind of groups should be organized.

    Mainly, as it has happened during history. If you think, that the state or the authoritarian models that we have today don't come from other models that you would leave untouched is that you're more ignorant than I thought.

    Anarchy is not free from flaws and that groups arise becoming dictatorial or a person getting more power than they should.

    In democracy, in theory there should not happen neither.

    And about the monarchy. The monarchy is dictatorial by itself. The nonsense of the family is laughable. It proves that you don't know a $#@! about monarchies.

    True, if those groups form, drum roll, a government with exclusive right to use legal force. You know, like the communist vanguard did.

    One could argue I supose that the government is modelled on the family. Think is a family has only a limited reach, itself. Under anarchy, the individual would be sovereign but limited reach into the lives of others.

    Anarchy, like everything else, is flawed because man is.

    Democracy is theory is perfection, no doubt; in reality, not so much.

    A monarch has a stake in the game. If he doesn't rule his lands and people well, they lose value and weaken him.
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    According to Socrates, democracy is not an unambiguous good, but only as good the education of the people who vote in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    According to Socrates, democracy is not an unambiguous good, but only as good the education of the people who vote in it.
    What is good about democracy?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    That is a complete joke to say it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it when the people have no idea of how to do that and if they did, they would not be able to to organize enough people before others find out and stop them in their tracks

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    Quote Originally Posted by barb012 View Post
    That is a complete joke to say it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it when the people have no idea of how to do that and if they did, they would not be able to to organize enough people before others find out and stop them in their tracks
    Your statement is nonsense.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by barb012 View Post
    That is a complete joke to say it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it when the people have no idea of how to do that and if they did, they would not be able to to organize enough people before others find out and stop them in their tracks
    Yet I was citing the Declaration of Independence.

    Whether or not it could ever happen again is certainly debatable.
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