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    Is Democracy to Blame for Our Present Crisis?

    The subtitle for Is Democracy to Blame for Our Present Crisis? is great: "Just because a country is democratic doesn't mean it is self-governing, as America is quickly discovering."

    Something has gone wrong with America’s political institutions. While the United States is, on the whole, competently governed, there are massive problems lurking just beneath the surface. This became obvious during the 2016 presidential election. Each party’s nominee was odious to a large segment of the public; the only difference seemed to be whether it was an odious insurgent or an odious careerist. Almost two years on, things show little signs of improving.

    What’s to blame? One promising, though unpopular, answer is: democracy itself. When individuals act collectively in large groups and are not held responsible for the consequences of their behavior, decisions are unlikely to be reasonable or prudent. This design flaw in popular government was recognized by several Founding Fathers. John Adams warned that democracy “soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.”

    James Madison was equally concerned with the pernicious consequences of large-scale democracy, arguing that democracies “have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

    Even George Washington had his doubts about whether democracy was consistent with wise government. Democracies are slow to correct their errors, and those who try to guide the public down a wise course frequently become the object of popular hatred: “It is one of the evils of democratical governments, that the people, not always seeing and frequently misled, must often feel before they can act right; but then evil of this nature seldom fail to work their own cure,” Washington wrote. “It is to be lamented, nevertheless, that the remedies are so slow, and that those, who may wish to apply them seasonably are not attended to before they suffer in person, in interest and in reputation.”

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    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." --not Ben Franklin
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    No Democratic Party policies are the cause. That’s about as Chrystal Fing Clear to see as it gets.
    I am tired of everyone fighting with each other. This is all by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texan View Post
    No Democratic Party policies are the cause. That’s about as Chrystal Fing Clear to see as it gets.
    Correct, and the Democratic Party has as much to do with Democracy as Cracker Jacks has with being a well balanced meal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I don't understand. If you actually believe what is suggested in this cartoon, then why do you only support and defend one side of politics?
    Faith can move mountains, but don't forget to bring your shovel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    I don't understand. If you actually believe what is suggested in this cartoon, then why do you only support and defend one side of politics?
    I'll let you make up a strawman of what side I support and defend. Please do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I'll let you make up a strawman of what side I support and defend. Please do.
    It's not a strawman, and i'm not intending to offend you. It's just my observation.
    Faith can move mountains, but don't forget to bring your shovel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    It's not a strawman, and i'm not intending to offend you. It's just my observation.




    "The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections." --Lord Acton
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    I don't understand. If you actually believe what is suggested in this cartoon, then why do you only support and defend one side of politics?
    He opposes both (D) and (R).

    As do I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    It's not a strawman, and i'm not intending to offend you. It's just my observation.
    One side has to win. I choose the side that pisses me off the least.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
    Pick your enemies carefully.






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