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    Democracy is not dead...... It never lived!

    Most Americans in this nation believe that we live in a Democracy. But the truth is that we live in a Republic. Most Americans believe that our forefathers had our best interests in mind and had a great love for us and for Democracy.

    The truth is that the founders loathed democracy they were elitists and believed that the common man was not good enough to have any say in governance. These sentiments are true to this day.

    It is thought that we are not smart enough to vote so we are given the illusion of voting so that we feel we live in a democracy and have a say.

    We are heavily campaigned to, and given promises by those we elect. Becasue they are governing on our behalf they are supposed to live up to the promises that they gave. Instead they open up non profit companies and recieve dark donations that cannot be traced by the corporations. They then once elected do not stay true to the promises and work soley on behalf of those who keep funneling the money into their pockets.

    Their system may have been ok, if those we elected were worthy, and had morals and were genuine human beings and had our best interests in mind. But it is the farthest from the truth.

    Democracy has never lived! Our government is run on money and corruption and the highest bidder. Our money funnels up to the top lining the pockets of the wealthy. The wealthy live off the backs of the poor while complaining about the poor needing 10 dollars in food stamps when they themselves will take a penny out of a babies hand.

    The citizens do not have a say in how anything is run or what they would like done with their tax dollars. They turn us against one another dividing us so that we will focus our hate on one another and let them continue their corruption in secret with a smile.

    The citizens are told yes they do have a say by electing the one who will speak for you, but what do you do when his pockets are lined with dirty money? This is not the way this nation was meant to be run, it is run on pure corruption. They will spin any manner of lie to get elected because it is not about the money they will make from their job but the money they will make from the donors. But just like a hooker if you get the money you have to do something dirty in return. Only in this case it is us who are being pimped out by those who we trust to lead our nation with decency and integrity.

    We are kept busy to the point of exhaustion so we don't ever stop to notice what has become of our nation.


    We are told all men are created equal, but it is the furthest from the truth. We are being run by something akin to a caste system. But the people who believe they are the elites are not the decent aristocrat type they are criminals through and through. In their eyes we are not good enough for democracy and do not deserve a say in governance. Treating us like inferior animals who do not deserve a say in our governance. Yet they do not hesitate to take from your paycheck. They do not hesitate to take money for every purchase or transaction you make.

    In the past our founders thought us not good enough to take part. But the leaders of today think a bit differently they are just taking advantage of the system much like a welfare program for the wealthy. They just want us to stay subverted and be good tax paying slaves.
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    Democracy is perhaps the worse form of government there is. Thank god our Founders gave us a republic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Democracy is perhaps the worse form of government there is. Thank god our Founders gave us a republic.

    Mob rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Mob rule
    That "mob", being the people. Whatever happened to by the people, of the people, for the people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    That "mob", being the people. Whatever happened to by the people, of the people, for the people?
    Would you like what's going on in College Campuses or some other PC fad to become law tomorrow? Before the people comes the person and his or her inalienable rights. Period! Beyond that I'd be OK with direct votes for certain laws. However, you have an uneducated lazy voter base that gives 95% of their votes to those who have already failed them . That would need to be fixed and with the feds in charge of education that ain't gonna happen. You also have representatives that can't even read laws ( often written by the industry they apply to) before voting on them and that's their job.
    With today's technology there are items that could be brought before the public as municipalities do which I would support after an automatic Constitutionality review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Would you like what's going on in College Campuses or some other PC fad to become law tomorrow? Before the people comes the person and his or her inalienable rights. Period! Beyond that I'd be OK with direct votes for certain laws. However, you have an uneducated lazy voter base that gives 95% of their votes to those who have already failed them . That would need to be fixed and with the feds in charge of education that ain't gonna happen. You also have representatives that can't even read laws ( often written by the industry they apply to) before voting on them and that's their job.
    With today's technology there are items that could be brought before the public as municipalities do which I would support after an automatic Constitutionality review.
    You do make a good point with the college activism-type fads. Hopefully they would be outvoted. But all it would take is one bad voting episode by an uneducated public, and I'm sure we would all start to educate ourselves really quick. We could still have our bill of rights and a court. I'm sure the court could shoot down legislation that violated constitutional rights just as easily as they do today. Really the only problem I see in the constitution is the election process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Would you like what's going on in College Campuses or some other PC fad to become law tomorrow? Before the people comes the person and his or her inalienable rights. Period! Beyond that I'd be OK with direct votes for certain laws. However, you have an uneducated lazy voter base that gives 95% of their votes to those who have already failed them . That would need to be fixed and with the feds in charge of education that ain't gonna happen. You also have representatives that can't even read laws ( often written by the industry they apply to) before voting on them and that's their job.
    With today's technology there are items that could be brought before the public as municipalities do which I would support after an automatic Constitutionality review.

    I do have a thought on this
    And I understand what you are saying completely. Your worry is not without reason.

    I believe that just giving the people a right to vote "for reals" would change them. For instance back in the cowboy days a boy of 12 was more like a man, what I mean by that is more mature. boys of today are not more like a man until about age 30 give or take.


    The reason is, is that they used to have more responsibilities, so they were more serious and had a sense of duty and responsibility. If we gave our children and I mean 18 year olds here the sense that they were "really" part of something great then they might not act like they do now. They may develop into more mature beings.

    They might not be the easily brain washed hooligans that they are now. Some college kids are more interested in beer bonging than voting. I am sure that those extremely immature children will not be participating in voting anyways they will be too hung over to make it to the voting booths. So in a way they are not really a threat to true democracy.

    But to those who do find a sense of duty, a sense of true responsibility then they may be more mature in mind much earlier than normal. In allowing them their rights we might help to shape them in to better human beings and that will begin to change our nation. Because those younglings are eventually going to be the ones who are the adults and have control of all of this. Why not take the time to teach them what it means to be a real man (adult). We don't want them to grow up with a complex feeling they have no rights, then the result is occupy wallstreeters. But we can change that by making them men.

    By the way when I say men I mean all man kind and being with adult mind after 18 or so. So women are not left out here. Since I myself am a woman. I am just giving an example.

    We don't know because we haven't given them the chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    That "mob", being the people. Whatever happened to by the people, of the people, for the people?
    The Founders explained it and did not give us a democracy because they feared and hated it.

    Can you imagine getting, what, 230M adults in the US to vote on everything mundane and great? How many would not understand, or bother to understand the issues at hand? They may not have time in their lives to devote that amount of time to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The Founders explained it and did not give us a democracy because they feared and hated it.

    Can you imagine getting, what, 230M adults in the US to vote on everything mundane and great? How many would not understand, or bother to understand the issues at hand? They may not have time in their lives to devote that amount of time to participate.
    And that is a valid argument. We do have the technology to have 230 million people vote, whether it could be secured or not is an issue. But all of us would have to be on board and participate, and we'd have to emphasize education. Most folks honestly don't have time nor care to digest an issue and vote. But the amount of legislation at the Federal level would be cut down considerably, and hopefully be left up to the individual States. I also think without widespread corruption between a bloated government and business, and getting rid of the way the federal government takes out loans and feeds that money to the States if they agree to abide by government policies, people wouldn't have to work so hard, because they would be taxed less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    That "mob", being the people. Whatever happened to by the people, of the people, for the people?
    Umm, that's why we vote.
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