User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 21 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 205

Thread: Democracy is not dead...... It never lived!

  1. #1
    Points: 11,795, Level: 26
    Level completed: 5%, Points required for next Level: 855
    Overall activity: 18.0%
    Achievements:
    10000 Experience Points1 year registeredSocial
    Just AnotherPerson's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    18992
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    1,946
    Points
    11,795
    Level
    26
    Thanks Given
    1,539
    Thanked 953x in 698 Posts
    Mentioned
    23 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Democracy is not dead...... It never lived!

    Most Americans in this nation believe that we live in a Democracy. But the truth is that we live in a Republic. Most Americans believe that our forefathers had our best interests in mind and had a great love for us and for Democracy.

    The truth is that the founders loathed democracy they were elitists and believed that the common man was not good enough to have any say in governance. These sentiments are true to this day.

    It is thought that we are not smart enough to vote so we are given the illusion of voting so that we feel we live in a democracy and have a say.

    We are heavily campaigned to, and given promises by those we elect. Becasue they are governing on our behalf they are supposed to live up to the promises that they gave. Instead they open up non profit companies and recieve dark donations that cannot be traced by the corporations. They then once elected do not stay true to the promises and work soley on behalf of those who keep funneling the money into their pockets.

    Their system may have been ok, if those we elected were worthy, and had morals and were genuine human beings and had our best interests in mind. But it is the farthest from the truth.

    Democracy has never lived! Our government is run on money and corruption and the highest bidder. Our money funnels up to the top lining the pockets of the wealthy. The wealthy live off the backs of the poor while complaining about the poor needing 10 dollars in food stamps when they themselves will take a penny out of a babies hand.

    The citizens do not have a say in how anything is run or what they would like done with their tax dollars. They turn us against one another dividing us so that we will focus our hate on one another and let them continue their corruption in secret with a smile.

    The citizens are told yes they do have a say by electing the one who will speak for you, but what do you do when his pockets are lined with dirty money? This is not the way this nation was meant to be run, it is run on pure corruption. They will spin any manner of lie to get elected because it is not about the money they will make from their job but the money they will make from the donors. But just like a hooker if you get the money you have to do something dirty in return. Only in this case it is us who are being pimped out by those who we trust to lead our nation with decency and integrity.

    We are kept busy to the point of exhaustion so we don't ever stop to notice what has become of our nation.


    We are told all men are created equal, but it is the furthest from the truth. We are being run by something akin to a caste system. But the people who believe they are the elites are not the decent aristocrat type they are criminals through and through. In their eyes we are not good enough for democracy and do not deserve a say in governance. Treating us like inferior animals who do not deserve a say in our governance. Yet they do not hesitate to take from your paycheck. They do not hesitate to take money for every purchase or transaction you make.

    In the past our founders thought us not good enough to take part. But the leaders of today think a bit differently they are just taking advantage of the system much like a welfare program for the wealthy. They just want us to stay subverted and be good tax paying slaves.
    Last edited by Just AnotherPerson; 06-06-2018 at 04:45 AM.

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Just AnotherPerson For This Useful Post:

    Dr. Strangelove (09-23-2018)

  3. #2
    Original Ranter
    Points: 473,608, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    414869
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    144,328
    Points
    473,608
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    83,110
    Thanked 65,842x in 44,979 Posts
    Mentioned
    2159 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Democracy is perhaps the worse form of government there is. Thank god our Founders gave us a republic.
    Alea iacta est

    Check out the blog.


  4. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (06-06-2018),donttread (06-06-2018),NapRover (06-08-2018),Shady Slim (06-12-2018),stjames1_53 (06-06-2018),Vision (06-08-2018)

  5. #3
    Original Ranter
    Points: 473,608, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    414869
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    144,328
    Points
    473,608
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    83,110
    Thanked 65,842x in 44,979 Posts
    Mentioned
    2159 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    A nation our size could not work as a direct democracy. Unless you place a lot of limits on what a citizen is.
    Alea iacta est

    Check out the blog.


  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (06-06-2018),stjames1_53 (06-06-2018)

  7. #4
    Points: 15,378, Level: 29
    Level completed: 93%, Points required for next Level: 72
    Overall activity: 8.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialTagger First ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    midcan5's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    70678
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Philly, PA
    Posts
    2,894
    Points
    15,378
    Level
    29
    Thanks Given
    748
    Thanked 1,216x in 891 Posts
    Mentioned
    143 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

    "Democracies have great rational and imaginative powers. They also are prone to some serious flaws in reasoning, to parochialism, haste, sloppiness, selfishness, narrowness of the spirit. Education based mainly on profitability in the global market magnifies these deficiencies, producing a greedy obtuseness and a technically trained docility that threaten the very life of democracy itself, and that certainly impede the creation of a decent world culture." Martha Nussbaum

    Interesting OP and I agree with its basic assumptions, call our system either but it is only the people and the powers that make it good or bad, make it work for some or all. The republicans have always (?) been the party of the elite and powerful, the democrats starting with FDR, the party of inclusion and common economic sense. That break in values has caused the cultural and social wars since. Money and power spoil the stew, the Bible got that one right. I often wonder where right wingers get their education and if you read enough you realize there is (dark) money behind their fantasies as the bold above points out. See 'Invisible Hands' for a history of that training, and see 'White Trash' for the elitist republican brand of nation.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...nvisible-hands

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...33-white-trash


    "Great inequality is the scourge of modern societies. We provide the evidence on each of eleven different health and social problems: physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, trust and community life, violence, teenage births, and child well-being. For all eleven of these health and social problems, outcomes are very substantially worse in more unequal societies." Richard Wilkinson/Kate Pickett http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/why/evidence

    Another thought:

    "Whether and how the marriage of polyarchal democracy to market-capitalism can be made more favorable to the further democratization of polyarchy is a profoundly difficult question for which there are no easy answers, and certainly no brief ones. The relation between a country's democratic political system and its nondemocratic economic system has presented a formidable and persistent challenge to democratic goals and practices throughout the twentieth century. That challenge will surely continue in the twenty-first century." Robert A. Dahl
    Wanna make America great, buy American owned, made in the USA. We do.

    FD: I do not review notifications, PM me if you think you have countered any point I make. Tx

    Support America - http://american.edu/kogod/research/autoindex/index.cfm

    Education: http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...r-A-Republican

    "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." Dwight D. Eisenhower

  8. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to midcan5 For This Useful Post:

    Dr. Strangelove (09-23-2018),Just AnotherPerson (06-06-2018),RadioGod (06-06-2018)

  9. #5
    Points: 17,353, Level: 31
    Level completed: 91%, Points required for next Level: 97
    Overall activity: 14.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran25000 Experience Points
    countryboy's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    9036
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Ohio, USA
    Posts
    5,729
    Points
    17,353
    Level
    31
    Thanks Given
    1,681
    Thanked 2,263x in 1,623 Posts
    Mentioned
    115 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    Most Americans in this nation believe that we live in a Democracy.
    I know leftist loons push this narrative, but thinking people know better.

    Progressivism, ideas so good, they have to be mandatory

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to countryboy For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (06-06-2018)

  11. #6
    Points: 99,359, Level: 76
    Level completed: 78%, Points required for next Level: 591
    Overall activity: 38.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    donttread's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    78611
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    33,391
    Points
    99,359
    Level
    76
    Thanks Given
    4,768
    Thanked 10,576x in 7,956 Posts
    Mentioned
    205 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Democracy is perhaps the worse form of government there is. Thank god our Founders gave us a republic.

    Mob rule

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to donttread For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (06-06-2018),Peter1469 (06-06-2018)

  13. #7
    Points: 28,235, Level: 40
    Level completed: 99%, Points required for next Level: 15
    Overall activity: 51.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered25000 Experience Points
    Captdon's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    4784
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    South Carolina now.
    Posts
    13,408
    Points
    28,235
    Level
    40
    Thanks Given
    21,880
    Thanked 4,775x in 3,736 Posts
    Mentioned
    59 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

    "Democracies have great rational and imaginative powers. They also are prone to some serious flaws in reasoning, to parochialism, haste, sloppiness, selfishness, narrowness of the spirit. Education based mainly on profitability in the global market magnifies these deficiencies, producing a greedy obtuseness and a technically trained docility that threaten the very life of democracy itself, and that certainly impede the creation of a decent world culture." Martha Nussbaum

    Interesting OP and I agree with its basic assumptions, call our system either but it is only the people and the powers that make it good or bad, make it work for some or all. The republicans have always (?) been the party of the elite and powerful, the democrats starting with FDR, the party of inclusion and common economic sense. That break in values has caused the cultural and social wars since. Money and power spoil the stew, the Bible got that one right. I often wonder where right wingers get their education and if you read enough you realize there is (dark) money behind their fantasies as the bold above points out. See 'Invisible Hands' for a history of that training, and see 'White Trash' for the elitist republican brand of nation.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...nvisible-hands

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...33-white-trash


    "Great inequality is the scourge of modern societies. We provide the evidence on each of eleven different health and social problems: physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, trust and community life, violence, teenage births, and child well-being. For all eleven of these health and social problems, outcomes are very substantially worse in more unequal societies." Richard Wilkinson/Kate Pickett http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/why/evidence

    Another thought:

    "Whether and how the marriage of polyarchal democracy to market-capitalism can be made more favorable to the further democratization of polyarchy is a profoundly difficult question for which there are no easy answers, and certainly no brief ones. The relation between a country's democratic political system and its nondemocratic economic system has presented a formidable and persistent challenge to democratic goals and practices throughout the twentieth century. That challenge will surely continue in the twenty-first century." Robert A. Dahl
    Yea. This is the dumbest post of the week.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

  14. #8
    Points: 99,359, Level: 76
    Level completed: 78%, Points required for next Level: 591
    Overall activity: 38.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    donttread's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    78611
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    33,391
    Points
    99,359
    Level
    76
    Thanks Given
    4,768
    Thanked 10,576x in 7,956 Posts
    Mentioned
    205 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Yea. This is the dumbest post of the week.
    We need to protect individual rights within any viable form of government. Kind of the opposite of what is happening here , now.

  15. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to donttread For This Useful Post:

    Dr. Strangelove (09-23-2018),Just AnotherPerson (06-06-2018)

  16. #9
    Points: 28,235, Level: 40
    Level completed: 99%, Points required for next Level: 15
    Overall activity: 51.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered25000 Experience Points
    Captdon's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    4784
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    South Carolina now.
    Posts
    13,408
    Points
    28,235
    Level
    40
    Thanks Given
    21,880
    Thanked 4,775x in 3,736 Posts
    Mentioned
    59 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    We need to protect individual rights within any viable form of government. Kind of the opposite of what is happening here , now.
    Whatever that means.

    I voted for the President, a Senator, a House member, a state Senator, a state House member, a County councilman,and a tax issue. Seems my democratic right to vote is pretty solid.

    All of my rights are intact.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

  17. #10
    Points: 430,323, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 96.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassYour first GroupOverdrive50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassVeteran
    Awards:
    Discussion Ender
    Chris's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    393242
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    142,183
    Points
    430,323
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    14,018
    Thanked 40,810x in 30,203 Posts
    Mentioned
    1659 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    Most Americans in this nation believe that we live in a Democracy. But the truth is that we live in a Republic. Most Americans believe that our forefathers had our best interests in mind and had a great love for us and for Democracy.

    The truth is that the founders loathed democracy they were elitists and believed that the common man was not good enough to have any say in governance. These sentiments are true to this day.

    It is thought that we are not smart enough to vote so we are given the illusion of voting so that we feel we live in a democracy and have a say.

    We are heavily campaigned to, and given promises by those we elect. Becasue they are governing on our behalf they are supposed to live up to the promises that they gave. Instead they open up non profit companies and recieve dark donations that cannot be traced by the corporations. They then once elected do not stay true to the promises and work soley on behalf of those who keep funneling the money into their pockets.

    Their system may have been ok, if those we elected were worthy, and had morals and were genuine human beings and had our best interests in mind. But it is the farthest from the truth.

    Democracy has never lived! Our government is run on money and corruption and the highest bidder. Our money funnels up to the top lining the pockets of the wealthy. The wealthy live off the backs of the poor while complaining about the poor needing 10 dollars in food stamps when they themselves will take a penny out of a babies hand.

    The citizens do not have a say in how anything is run or what they would like done with their tax dollars. They turn us against one another dividing us so that we will focus our hate on one another and let them continue their corruption in secret with a smile.

    The citizens are told yes they do have a say by electing the one who will speak for you, but what do you do when his pockets are lined with dirty money? This is not the way this nation was meant to be run, it is run on pure corruption. They will spin any manner of lie to get elected because it is not about the money they will make from their job but the money they will make from the donors. But just like a hooker if you get the money you have to do something dirty in return. Only in this case it is us who are being pimped out by those who we trust to lead our nation with decency and integrity.

    We are kept busy to the point of exhaustion so we don't ever stop to notice what has become of our nation.


    We are told all men are created equal, but it is the furthest from the truth. We are being run by something akin to a caste system. But the people who believe they are the elites are not the decent aristocrat type they are criminals through and through. In their eyes we are not good enough for democracy and do not deserve a say in governance. Treating us like inferior animals who do not deserve a say in our governance. Yet they do not hesitate to take from your paycheck. They do not hesitate to take money for every purchase or transaction you make.

    In the past our founders thought us not good enough to take part. But the leaders of today think a bit differently they are just taking advantage of the system much like a welfare program for the wealthy. They just want us to stay subverted and be good tax paying slaves.

    The intent of that was we're all created equal before the law, probably derived from being equal before God's law and applied to natural law, but the Declaration is a product of enlightened individualism, and as individuals we are all naturally different and will see different outcomes in the pursuit of happiness--and the Constitution is supposed to protect that individualism.

    Not saying that's good, though it beats the modern collectivist solution.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to Chris For This Useful Post:

    Hoosier8 (09-22-2018)

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts


Critical Acclaim
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO