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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    No. Nor did the courts overturn it.
    Slavery was the others and was Constitutional. The Constitution refers to free people, Indians and others. Who do you think the others were. The authors knew knew it was slaves and you don't know more than they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Slavery was the others and was Constitutional. The Constitution refers to free people, Indians and others. Who do you think the others were. The authors knew knew it was slaves and you don't know more than they did.
    You are confused, of course. There were no Constitutional provisions I am aware of that addressed slavery. The one provision that indirectly addressed it involved the census. Counting slaves/others as 3/5ths of a person limited Southern political power.

    Do you know something different? I know far more than they did because of the luxury of time and distance. I can read not only what they wrote and said but what others wrote and said in response. I can do it in my spare time over long periods of time, reflecting and researching.

    You are simply wrong.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Trump administration tells court it won't defend Obamacare against lawsuit seeking to cripple it

    The Trump administration told a federal court Thursday it wonít defend Obamacare against a lawsuit thatís trying to strike down most of the law.
    Itís a notable stance that means it will be up to Obamacare fans such as Democratic governors to step in and defend the Affordable Care Act against on onslaught from GOP attorneys general, who say after Congress nixed the individual mandate at the heart of the law, the rest of it should follow.


    In court papers, the Justice Department said it doesnít want to stop the law in its tracks, but said they agreed with the plaintiffs who say the most famous parts of the law are now illegal.



    The crux of the argument goes back to Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.ís 2012 ruling upholding the constitutionality of the individual mandate as a valid use of Congressís taxing power. The court held that Congress was able to offer people a choice: get insurance, or pay a tax.



    If there is no tax penalty for not buying insurance now, then no taxation is taking place, so the other parts of the law tied to the individual mandate must go, the 20 GOP attorneys general argue.


    The Justice Department concurred.
    ďThe Supreme Courtís saving construction of the individual mandate as a tax is no longer available,Ē government lawyers wrote.
    The White House and congressional Republicans had said they would like to have a replacement in hand before Obamacare is scrapped, but if the lawsuit prevails, that may not be the possible.
    Republicans tried to repeal and replace the law last year, but those efforts stalled and GOP leaders havenít expressed any desire to wage a health care fight in a mid-term year.

    Justice attorneys said they donít think itís lawful to freeze Obamacare now, since repeal of the mandate doesnít take effect until 2019.



    But they suggested the court consider ordering that as of Jan. 1 two parts of the law will be invalid: that people with preexisting conditions must receive coverage, and that they cannot be charged more than healthier consumers.



    ďThis court should hold that the ACAís individual mandate will be unconstitutional as of January 1, 2019, and that the ACAís guaranteed-issue and community-rating provisions are inseverable from the mandate,Ē they wrote.



    Those protections had been considered sacrosanct by most members of Congress, with GOP lawmakers fretting during their efforts last year over how to unwind Obamacare while still preserving those parts of the law.



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    Abdication of it's duties. It is the law of the land and it's their job to defend it until it's changed.

    Yet another impeachable offense in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Abdication of it's duties. It is the law of the land and it's their job to defend it until it's changed. Yet another impeachable offense in my book.
    It is not an impeachable offense but I am pleased that we agree. I presume you called for Obama’s impeachment over his failure to defend The Defense Of Marriage Act? I chided him for his unconstitutional conduct but failed to call for his impeachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    It is not an impeachable offense but I am pleased that we agree. I presume you called for Obama’s impeachment over his failure to defend The Defense Of Marriage Act? I chided him for his unconstitutional conduct but failed to call for his impeachment.
    If he did (I didn't realize that was how it went down) then it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    No. Nor did the courts overturn it.
    Slaves were the others. The Founding Fathers knew it. You don't but that doesn't mean a thing. Slavery was acceptable until 1865.

    You shouldn't argue historical facts. The words are right there.

    Now you can resort to insults but you will be wrong no matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Abdication of it's duties. It is the law of the land and it's their job to defend it until it's changed.

    Yet another impeachable offense in my book.
    Good thing that you are a loon that nobody takes seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    If he did (I didn't realize that was how it went down) then it was.
    He absolutely most definitely did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Slaves were the others. The Founding Fathers knew it. You don't but that doesn't mean a thing. Slavery was acceptable until 1865.
    You shouldn't argue historical facts. The words are right there.
    Now you can resort to insults but you will be wrong no matter.
    It would help to read what I wrote. If you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Abdication of it's duties. It is the law of the land and it's their job to defend it until it's changed.

    Yet another impeachable offense in my book.
    We can disagree. The Executive branch is under no Constitutional obligation to defend laws in court. The branch is obligated to impartially enforce the law so long as it exists.

    My opinion stands in opposition to yours and DJUtley's.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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