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Thread: Trump administration tells court it won't defend Obamacare

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    He absolutely most definitely did.
    Then it was. I don't know what else to tell you. I'm not one of those "Obama was perfect" guys. He had plenty of faults. I did over all agree more than disagree with him though.
    I don't insult, I diagnose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    There be no blue wave.
    It will barely be a ripple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Yet another impeachable offense in my book.
    The only book you have came with crayons.
    Gentlemen and ladies, I hate inflation, I hate taxes, and I hate Communism. Do something about it.” Ronald Reagan's instructions to his first assembled Cabinet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Abdication of it's duties. It is the law of the land and it's their job to defend it until it's changed.

    Yet another impeachable offense in my book.
    lol how come you didnt say that when Obama didnt defend it
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I disagree with this. I also disagreed with Obama’s refusal to defend the DMA. This is the law ant the executive is charged with enforcing the law.
    I totally disagree, adminstrations never defended laws written by the opposition that theyve disagreed with. Obama didnt none of them did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I totally disagree, adminstrations never defended laws written by the opposition that theyve disagreed with. Obama didnt none of them did.
    You can disagree. The executive is charged constitutionally With enforcing the laws passed by Congress and enacted. He breaches his sworn duty when he fails to do so. Let the court rule as it may but it is his duty to do so. It was the Obama’s duty likewise with respect to the defense of marriage act. I do not engage in what about-ism. I want the president to follow the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    You can disagree. The executive is charged constitutionally With enforcing the laws passed by Congress and enacted. He breaches his sworn duty when he fails to do so. Let the court rule as it may but it is his duty to do so. It was the Obama’s duty likewise with respect to the defense of marriage act. I do not engage in what about-ism. I want the president to follow the Constitution.
    Yes. The executive branch must impartially enforce the laws. The Executive branch is under no Constitutional obligation to defend laws in court.

    There is no duty to defend unjust, unconstitutional laws. You turn the Constitution on its head.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I want the president to follow the Constitution.
    Show me the provision of the Constitution that makes the Executive branch responsible for defending unconstitutional laws before the judicial branch.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Yes. The executive branch must impartially enforce the laws. The Executive branch is under no Constitutional obligation to defend laws in court. There is no duty to defend unjust, unconstitutional laws. You turn the Constitution on its head.
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Show me the provision of the Constitution that makes the Executive branch responsible for defending unconstitutional laws before the judicial branch.
    I don't believe that it is the Executive's duty (or ability) to interpret what laws are or aren't constitutional. That is for the courts. It is the Executive's duty to enforce the laws enacted by the legislative branch, including defending same before the judiciary. To do otherwise, puts it in the role of the judiciary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I don't believe that it is the Executive's duty (or ability) to interpret what laws are or aren't constitutional. That is for the courts. It is the Executive's duty to enforce the laws enacted by the legislative branch, including defending same before the judiciary. To do otherwise, puts it in the role of the judiciary.
    Dave, the correct answer is, "You are right MisterVeritis. The Executive branch carries no Constitutional obligation to defend any law before the courts."
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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