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    Don’t buy the Pentagon’s statements on Afghanistan

    Don’t buy the Pentagon’s statements on Afghanistan

    After 17 years of stalemate in Afghanistan our military leaders are pushing an optimistic picture of our current efforts. The author of this article says not to believe this rosy story. The facts are that the Taliban represent a near majority of the country; the Afghan government is corrupt to the core; and US aid in the form of nation-building is largely ineffective. Afghanistan is no nation. It is a collection of tribes who do not get along for the long term.

    Our efforts should be focused solely on al Q and ISIL-K. The Taliban is not our concern.

    The Lead Inspector General (IG) for Operation Freedom’s Sentinel released its quarterly report to Congress last week, assessing the state of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan. To put it mildly, the situation is not good.


    As Glenn Fine, the Principal Deputy IG for the Defense Department
    writes in the report’s foreword and executive summary, “the percentage of the population living in areas under the control or influence of the Afghan government showed little positive change this quarter,” while civilian casualties were “near record high levels.”

    There were some small signs of promise, such as a modest decrease in “security-related incidents” — violence. From April to February, violence was below historical averages, and remains there, despite the Taliban’s Spring Offensive beginning in April. At the same time though, high profile attacks by the Taliban and ISIS spiked, and the Director of National Intelligence, Daniel Coats, has written that the security situation in Afghanistan will likely continue to decline this year.




    To the interested outside observer, this is nothing new. Report after report from the Pentagon, as well as the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), over the last several years, has been telling this story. The Taliban has been slowly reasserting itself, corruption is rampant, and reconstruction projects deliver limited or no results.


    However, officials at the Pentagon paint a different picture. General John Nicholson, Jr., Commander of Resolute Support and Commander of U.S. Forces-Afghanistan, said Wednesday, echoing earlier statements from the Pentagon in response to the IG’s report, that “‘violence and progress can coexist,’ and that's what we're seeing.” We should be immensely skeptical of this rosy outlook. The Pentagon is not going to be honest and realistic about Afghanistan, at least not publicly.


    To understand why requires understanding Pentagon officials respond to incentives the same way everyday, private citizens do. In 1962, economists James M. Buchanan and Gordon Tullock published The Calculus of Consent: Logical Foundations of Constitutional Democracy, a seminal work of the public choice school of economics, which employs economic analysis to study political problems. Buchanan would be awarded the Nobel Prize in 1986 for his contributions in this field.
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    What is the problem here? Why can't we defeat the Taliban?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    What is the problem here? Why can't we defeat the Taliban?
    The Taliban is supported by the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan.

    I will also say we have no reason to involve ourselves that deeply in Afghan politics.

    We should attack al Q elements remaining there. And ISIL-K.
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    It's not America's job to rebuild nations into replicas of itself. It doesn't even make sense to do so. When the people of Afghanistan get sick of the Taliban, there will be no more Taliban. In the meanwhile, it's the outside interference that actually promotes an undercurrent of resentment and gives support to the Taliban.
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    We can't win there if the people are not interested in a nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    It's not America's job to rebuild nations into replicas of itself.
    Where might we be currently engaged in trying to rebuild replicas? Dr. Who? For the love of God, come on.


    It doesn't even make sense to do so.
    Your alternative?


    When the people of Afghanistan get sick of the Taliban, there will be no more Taliban. In the meanwhile, it's the outside interference that actually promotes an undercurrent of resentment and gives support to the Taliban.
    =America's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    We can't win there if the people are not interested in a nation.
    We can prevent the Taliban from taking power. We can support and facilitate the Afghan Army. We can help provide border assistance cause we do such a great job with our own. We can prevent al-Qaeda from safe harbor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    We can prevent the Taliban from taking power. We can support and facilitate the Afghan Army. We can help provide border assistance cause we do such a great job with our own. We can prevent al-Qaeda from safe harbor.
    Why do we care if the Taliban rules?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Why do we care if the Taliban rules?
    Cause we've been there. We've got the t-shirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Cause we've been there. We've got the t-shirt.
    No you have not been there. Although I expect that you have the t-shirt.
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