User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 16

Thread: What is Your History of Views?

  1. #1
    Points: 66,563, Level: 63
    Level completed: 1%, Points required for next Level: 2,187
    Overall activity: 15.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialYour first Group50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    IMPress Polly's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    153463
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Vermont, USA
    Posts
    5,781
    Points
    66,563
    Level
    63
    Thanks Given
    6,061
    Thanked 4,884x in 2,866 Posts
    Mentioned
    535 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    What is Your History of Views?

    Thought I'd do something a tad different today and ask everyone what sorts of social and/or philosophical opinions they've had in the past that have led them to how they think now. Just a little 'getting to know each other better' exercise. You can use any approach to this or any approach you want. Use a diagram, write out an explanation, or whatever!

    Personally, being someone who actually likes labels and categorizations for the sake of simplicity, I'll divide my personal history of views into three basic time periods:


    2001-7

    Main Social Priority: Anti-Imperialism
    Secondary Social Priority: Privacy Rights

    Political Trajectory: Vaguely Marxian -> Libertarian -> Generic Progressive -> Anarchist Communist -> Democratic Socialist
    Religious Trajectory: Non-Religious -> Wiccan -> Satanist -> Gnostic Christian -> Zen Buddhist -> Daoist

    2007-15

    Main Social Priority: Global Poverty
    Secondary Social Priority: Animal Liberation

    Political Trajectory: Classical Maoist -> Bob Avakian Thought -> Third Worldist -> Democratic Socialist -> Futurist Marxist
    Religious Trajectory: Atheist -> Daoist -> Agnostic

    2015-Present

    Main Social Priority: Women's Liberation
    Secondary Social Priority: Earth Liberation

    Political Trajectory: Anarchist Communalist
    Religious Trajectory: Agnostic -> Atheist


    Yeah, one gathers that my outlook on life and politics has been kinda all over the place over the years, but mostly in fringy left type places. That's just who I am. I'm an experimenting, risk-taking kind of person on a level that most people aren't. Most people tend to get only loosely interested in most any given thing and really devote themselves to only one or a few things. I, on the other hand, really don't do a lot of things half-heartedly. But that also leaves room in my life for relatively few interests at any given point. I have passions and care about almost nothing besides them. And because I devote so much of myself to my passions, I also tend to discover their faults and shortcomings fairly quickly (often the hard way), which results in my moving on to the next thing.

    I would say that the period from 2011 to 2014 was the best period of my adult life to date. I ditched my last personality cult (the Leading Light Communist Organization), landed my current job as an educator, and life just seemed to be finally starting to fall into place a little more for me than it had up to that point. Hey, my worldview even moderated a little! I began to accept ideas like gradualism and electoral politics and a fairly optimistic view of the future. Events of the last several years, however, both in my personal life and just in the world, have pushed me back toward the fringes again in terms of my thinking. Phenomenon like the Islamic State and the ascendancy of strongman politics throughout much of the world in recent years, along with accelerating rates of depression and suicidal tendencies particularly among women and girls, have made women's liberation a top priority of mine and developments surrounding the environment haven't wound up going the more positive direction I thought they would have by now, but just the opposite, and that has pushed me away from what they call bright green (i.e. sustainable development) type thinking and toward deep green (i.e. anti-development) politics.

    Spiritually, I've just simply given up. When I say that I'm an atheist, I don't just mean that I don't believe in a God of any kind, but also that I really reject the idea of the supernatural entirely. That's where I am on that journey at present. It's a new place for me in a way. When I regarded myself as an atheist in the past, I always had some kind of logical substitute in place; cults of personality that I was subscribing to that fulfilled my need for a deeper sense of purpose. I don't have any substitutes for a God or a divine force going on this time around. It's lonely and discouraging, but the only honest place I can be anymore.

    So what about you? What sort of social and/or philosophical opinions have you held in the past that have led you to how you think now? And how DO you think now?
    Last edited by IMPress Polly; 06-10-2018 at 07:13 AM.

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to IMPress Polly For This Useful Post:

    Just AnotherPerson (06-10-2018)

  3. #2
    Original Ranter
    Points: 503,764, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    421701
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    152,553
    Points
    503,764
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    88,645
    Thanked 72,676x in 49,341 Posts
    Mentioned
    2191 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Fiscal conservative.
    Molon labe
    Please visit my blog http://thepoliticalforums.com/blogs/peter/
    (If a post link does not work, see the archives- it should work there.)

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    IMPress Polly (06-10-2018)

  5. #3

    tPF Moderator
    Points: 307,715, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 89.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    Common's Avatar tPF Moderator
    Karma
    329167
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    54,162
    Points
    307,715
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    3,485
    Thanked 8,369x in 5,261 Posts
    Mentioned
    182 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I was raised in a diehard democrat family but for none of the reasons most democrats are democrats today. My family was democrats because democrats looked out for the working guy, the little guy that got out of bed every morning and went and busted his ass to keep his family afloat. I started to change during my time in the military but by the time Jimmy Carters fiasco of a Presidency I really started to flip. I became a swing voter and voted back and forth for a long time.

    Obama pushed me solidly to the right and not for the easy out liberal Card Players reasons. I outright thought he just sucked as Potus and most of what he did hurt the country. Since the progressive left and their viciousness had made me even more steadfast to the right against it.

    Catholic all my life practiced catholic until late adulthood, now non practicing catholic
    Last edited by Common; 06-10-2018 at 08:33 AM.
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

    GROUCHO MARX,

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to Common For This Useful Post:

    IMPress Polly (06-10-2018)

  7. #4
    Points: 444,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassYour first GroupOverdrive50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassVeteran
    Awards:
    Discussion Ender
    Chris's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    395430
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    146,132
    Points
    444,948
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    14,754
    Thanked 43,001x in 31,733 Posts
    Mentioned
    1689 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Centrist -> libertarian -> free-market anarchist -> localist?

    Catholic (elementary school) -> Atheist -> Agnostic Atheist
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to Chris For This Useful Post:

    IMPress Polly (06-10-2018)

  9. #5
    Points: 66,563, Level: 63
    Level completed: 1%, Points required for next Level: 2,187
    Overall activity: 15.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialYour first Group50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    IMPress Polly's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    153463
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Vermont, USA
    Posts
    5,781
    Points
    66,563
    Level
    63
    Thanks Given
    6,061
    Thanked 4,884x in 2,866 Posts
    Mentioned
    535 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Centrist -> libertarian -> free-market anarchist -> localist?

    Catholic (elementary school) -> Atheist -> Agnostic Atheist
    What's an agnostic atheist? How does one be both of those things simultaneously?

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to IMPress Polly For This Useful Post:

    donttread (06-10-2018)

  11. #6

    tPF Moderator
    Points: 64,857, Level: 62
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 1,693
    Overall activity: 61.0%
    Achievements:
    Recommendation Second ClassSocial50000 Experience PointsTagger First Class1 year registeredYour first Group
    DGUtley's Avatar tPF Moderator
    Karma
    167682
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Northeast Ohio
    Posts
    16,041
    Points
    64,857
    Level
    62
    Thanks Given
    5,777
    Thanked 12,944x in 7,431 Posts
    Mentioned
    451 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Catholic > Catholic > Catholic
    Union Democrat > Liberal big government Democrat > Republican > Fiscal Conservative libertarian
    Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes​

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to DGUtley For This Useful Post:

    Common (06-10-2018),IMPress Polly (06-10-2018)

  13. #7
    Points: 444,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassYour first GroupOverdrive50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassVeteran
    Awards:
    Discussion Ender
    Chris's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    395430
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    146,132
    Points
    444,948
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    14,754
    Thanked 43,001x in 31,733 Posts
    Mentioned
    1689 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    What's an agnostic atheist? How does one be both of those things simultaneously?
    My reason for choosing atheism is agnostic. We can't know God, whether He exists or not, what He is, etc. Not knowing, I have nothing to put faith in, and so I choose atheism. The a- in atheism means without, not against.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to Chris For This Useful Post:

    IMPress Polly (06-10-2018)

  15. #8
    Points: 108,438, Level: 80
    Level completed: 19%, Points required for next Level: 2,212
    Overall activity: 42.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    donttread's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    79757
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    36,696
    Points
    108,438
    Level
    80
    Thanks Given
    5,553
    Thanked 11,722x in 8,864 Posts
    Mentioned
    228 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Thought I'd do something a tad different today and ask everyone what sorts of social and/or philosophical opinions they've had in the past that have led them to how they think now. Just a little 'getting to know each other better' exercise. You can use any approach to this or any approach you want. Use a diagram, write out an explanation, or whatever!

    Personally, being someone who actually likes labels and categorizations for the sake of simplicity, I'll divide my personal history of views into three basic time periods:


    2001-7

    Main Social Priority: Anti-Imperialism
    Secondary Social Priority: Privacy Rights

    Political Trajectory: Vaguely Marxian -> Libertarian -> Generic Progressive -> Anarchist Communist -> Democratic Socialist
    Religious Trajectory: Non-Religious -> Wiccan -> Satanist -> Gnostic Christian -> Zen Buddhist -> Daoist

    2007-15

    Main Social Priority: Global Poverty
    Secondary Social Priority: Animal Liberation

    Political Trajectory: Classical Maoist -> Bob Avakian Thought -> Third Worldist -> Democratic Socialist -> Futurist Marxist
    Religious Trajectory: Atheist -> Daoist -> Agnostic

    2015-Present

    Main Social Priority: Women's Liberation
    Secondary Social Priority: Earth Liberation

    Political Trajectory: Anarchist Communalist
    Religious Trajectory: Agnostic -> Atheist


    Yeah, one gathers that my outlook on life and politics has been kinda all over the place over the years, but mostly in fringy left type places. That's just who I am. I'm an experimenting, risk-taking kind of person on a level that most people aren't. Most people tend to get only loosely interested in most any given thing and really devote themselves to only one or a few things. I, on the other hand, really don't do a lot of things half-heartedly. But that also leaves room in my life for relatively few interests at any given point. I have passions and care about almost nothing besides them. And because I devote so much of myself to my passions, I also tend to discover their faults and shortcomings fairly quickly (often the hard way), which results in my moving on to the next thing.

    I would say that the period from 2011 to 2014 was the best period of my adult life to date. I ditched my last personality cult (the Leading Light Communist Organization), landed my current job as an educator, and life just seemed to be finally starting to fall into place a little more for me than it had up to that point. Hey, my worldview even moderated a little! I began to accept ideas like gradualism and electoral politics and a fairly optimistic view of the future. Events of the last several years, however, both in my personal life and just in the world, have pushed me back toward the fringes again in terms of my thinking. Phenomenon like the Islamic State and the ascendancy of strongman politics throughout much of the world in recent years, along with accelerating rates of depression and suicidal tendencies particularly among women and girls, have made women's liberation a top priority of mine and developments surrounding the environment haven't wound up going the more positive direction I thought they would have by now, but just the opposite, and that has pushed me away from what they call bright green (i.e. sustainable development) type thinking and toward deep green (i.e. anti-development) politics.

    Spiritually, I've just simply given up. When I say that I'm an atheist, I don't just mean that I don't believe in a God of any kind, but also that I really reject the idea of the supernatural entirely. That's where I am on that journey at present. It's a new place for me in a way. When I regarded myself as an atheist in the past, I always had some kind of logical substitute in place; cults of personality that I was subscribing to that fulfilled my need for a deeper sense of purpose. I don't have any substitutes for a God or a divine force going on this time around. It's lonely and discouraging, but the only honest place I can be anymore.

    So what about you? What sort of social and/or philosophical opinions have you held in the past that have led you to how you think now? And how DO you think now?

    Of course I've had different beliefs and causes over time but mostly

    I was a republican until I realized they are as big a part of the problem as the dems.

    Then I was with the "Independent Party" until I realize they are neither of those things

    Now I am closest to a Libertarian at the national level and support the Constitution and BOR's as a whole. I am a non-interventionist bordering on isolationism. But overall believe in human service programs at the state level . I also fall out of the LP party lines by being anti-megacorp . I am also a localist. Further while I once supported prohibition for all drugs except MJ I now know the facts and and have become a strict anti-prohibitionist .
    Last edited by donttread; 06-10-2018 at 08:54 AM.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to donttread For This Useful Post:

    IMPress Polly (06-10-2018)

  17. #9
    Points: 108,438, Level: 80
    Level completed: 19%, Points required for next Level: 2,212
    Overall activity: 42.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    donttread's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    79757
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    36,696
    Points
    108,438
    Level
    80
    Thanks Given
    5,553
    Thanked 11,722x in 8,864 Posts
    Mentioned
    228 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    What's an agnostic atheist? How does one be both of those things simultaneously?
    Ditto that question for me please.

  18. #10
    Points: 444,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassYour first GroupOverdrive50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassVeteran
    Awards:
    Discussion Ender
    Chris's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    395430
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    146,132
    Points
    444,948
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    14,754
    Thanked 43,001x in 31,733 Posts
    Mentioned
    1689 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Ditto that question for me please.
    Post #7.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts


Critical Acclaim
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO