Anarchy or Governent II

[Ethereal]

Wouldn't total anarchy produce even more bullying and tilted tables than a truly limited government?

If people are enlightened and virtuous enough to create a "truly limited government", then why aren't they enlightened and virtuous enough to self-govern?

[Common]

LOL. He is as goofy as you are.

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[Captdon]

How am I eliminating human nature? How is what little you know of the anarchy I embrace is it utopian? And wouldn't work? People have a romantic view of the government that in theory works but in practice fails.

family, work and community ties whereby natural tendencies towards bullying, violence, oppression would be constrained.

Bullying, oppression and violence are natural. You can't control, much less eliminate them, without government. this a romantic view of libertarians that sounds good but can't work.


What did I not get ?

[Captdon]

Are you sure about that? Check out the map below and where the concentration of power plants are:

I am positive. These are locations but not exact locations. I bet they are all in the rural areas and not in the cities.

It's not going to happen but you will quit first when your lines are cut.

[Chris]

family, work and community ties whereby natural tendencies towards bullying, violence, oppression would be constrained.

Bullying, oppression and violence are natural. You can't control, much less eliminate them, without government. this a romantic view of libertarians that sounds good but can't work.


What did I not get ?

Yes, they are natural tendencies but so is cooperation.

Government is the legitimized use of force. As such, how does the government eliminate violence?

Let's not I am not against government but the government, the State. The main gist of the Enlightenment was individualism, individual self-government, self-constraint. Except it's not just individual but the individual in society, thus the existing social order of customs, traditions, institutions, those associated with place throguh time, not those artifically invented.

Again, people like the idea of a government, just not the reality.

[Dr. Who]

I am positive. These are locations but not exact locations. I bet they are all in the rural areas and not in the cities.

It's not going to happen but you will quit first when your lines are cut.

They are heavily concentrated around the Great Lakes, larger rivers and the coastal areas. Not coincidentally the largest population centers also happen to be concentrated around all of the above. Hydroelectric plants are rather dependant on large bodies of water as are nuclear plants. Even the majority of coal plants are concentrated in the north and eastern seaboard. Middle America has more natural gas and oil.

[barb012]

That could possibly work but only after a major chunk of the population are dead.

[Captdon]

Yes, they are natural tendencies but so is cooperation.

Government is the legitimized use of force. As such, how does the government eliminate violence?

Let's not I am not against government but the government, the State. The main gist of the Enlightenment was individualism, individual self-government, self-constraint. Except it's not just individual but the individual in society, thus the existing social order of customs, traditions, institutions, those associated with place throguh time, not those artifically invented.

Again, people like the idea of a government, just not the reality.

Okay, that makes sense.

[Captdon]

They are heavily concentrated around the Great Lakes, larger rivers and the coastal areas. Not coincidentally the largest population centers also happen to be concentrated around all of the above. Hydroelectric plants are rather dependant on large bodies of water as are nuclear plants. Even the majority of coal plants are concentrated in the north and eastern seaboard. Middle America has more natural gas and oil.

You mistake middle America as a region. I use them as a group. The power line are easy to bring down. The whole point is that cities with their liberal rule can't take a shutdown. Without electric you have no computers and no banking. You can't pay for imports that you couldn't unload anyway.

I said what I did as a simple reason the left couldn't win a civil war. Don't be so serious about it. It won't happen.

[Chris]

Okay, that makes sense.

I'll be honest and admit my views are changing. There must be something between the big centralized government most modern states have and no government at all. At least something where power devolves to the lowest local community possible so communities can mostly decide how to govern themselves, some top-down republics, some bottom-up demoracies, some monarchies, some anarchies. The liberty to experiment would likely lead, some dying off, some adopting what others do successfully, to better forms of government. And no doubt communities would have to form associations and alliances to protect their rights.