Anarchy or Governent II

[Just AnotherPerson]

There are groups of people in our own nation who are very unhappy with the corruption of the curent system, understandably so. No one can blame a person for being fed up with a corrupt establishment. Every politician is bought and paid for and the American people are for sale.

There is an idea that if peaceful means do not work this nation will be changed by force not considering for loss of life. Here is something that comes seriously to my mind. Yes in history we have had revolution but you have to take into account the differences in that world and in this current one. There is almost no comparison. If a revolution like the one of our history were to play out it would end nothing like the revolution of the past.

All we need is some basic deep looking. Look at all of the angles no matter how small. Consider if the consequences outweigh the risks. We should consider for the loss of life.

During the revolution the infrastructure was much different than the infrastructure we have now. If there was damage to properties perhaps some houses would have burned down, and stores, and back then bridges were made of wood. In our modern world infrastructure is much more complex. the destruction would be much greater. If you have seen images of Kiev, or of Syria that is much what our nation would look like if we started a war on our own soil.

Something else to consider is that weaponry of the past was much different. We now have access to weapons that would decimate our infrastructure. We are not talking bayonets here. We are talking bombs and machine guns.

Another thing the loss of life would be different than the revolution of the past because there were less people alive then. The same war fought on our soil today with our modern weaponry would bring a staggering loss of life.

Also during the revolution people were a lot tougher. They had to work hard to get everything even the children had to pull their own weight. But the people of our day are much weaker. Our children grew up in front of tv's and computers. Some of them don't even go outside to play, some have never even watched the stars. People of today are much more delicate. If we thrust them into a volatile situation with war they would not withstand it.

One more thing you may think that you are doing these people a favor by liberating them from their oppressors. But when the infrastructure is damaged how will the rubble ever be cleared? Will we wait for dirt to cover it then build on top of it? Consider this as well. If we start the war to liberate we will have innocent civilian casualties. You have to know when you kill the innocent you will be creating instant rebel factions. Those whos children die by your hand will rise up to kill yours in turn.

The world you wished to create will just look like an average day in the middle east. You will have taken a beautiful nation mostly at peace and turned it into a desolate wasteland. Think it through completely from beginning to end. It may not be the result you had in mind. It is not difficult to do.

In order to free the people who are oppressed you would kill the oppressed, how can you free the oppressed when they are no longer alive to be freed? Will you free them from their lives, in order that they may be free?

I am not a believer in anarchy or revolution I always say EVOLUTION not revolution. I believe we can use peaceful means to change our world, an end corruption. I do not believe that we must shed the blood of the innocent, or destroy our nation so that we will not be oppressed. There are better ways.

I have started this thread in the past 9-01-2016

http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...-or-Government

[Captdon]

A revolution will be the end of your liberals. We cut their power and stop food deliveries and it's over. No muss, no fuss.

Like all liberals you don't know or understand middle America. We would outlast you.

[Dr. Who]

A revolution will be the end of your liberals. We cut their power and stop food deliveries and it's over. No muss, no fuss.

Like all liberals you don't know or understand middle America. We would outlast you.

Maybe and maybe not. You might have food, but little else. Coastal America would have imports. One bad weather year and much of middle America could be wiped out by drought and tornadoes that they don't seem to have had any historical problem with taking government charity to fix, nevermind the flooding of the Mississippi river. If that were to happen then middle America would have starvation and thus internal fighting for food and water. All of those bank loans keeping farms afloat would disappear. Seasonal labor to keep those massive industrial farms functional would disappear. Crops could rot in the fields. Hungry people could change sides. Middle America conveniently forgets how much help it gets from the rest of America when times are tough. Let's also not forget how much middle American agriculture is dedicated to non-food crops. Middle American cities are not going to survive on corn grown for biofuel. It's inedible. Let's not also forget all of the farm subsidies that allow farmers to make a living or the fact that family farms growing food crops are few and far between. Fewer than 5% of middle American farms are family owned and operated and are likely to grow more than a single crop. Most farm production is intended for export and concentrates on things like corn and wheat. I wouldn't be so certain that middle America would necessarily outlast the rest of America.

It would be a shame to be living in farm country and not have enough to eat.

[Chris]

Maybe and maybe not. You might have food, but little else. Coastal America would have imports. One bad weather year and much of middle America could be wiped out by drought and tornadoes that they don't seem to have had any historical problem with taking government charity to fix, nevermind the flooding of the Mississippi river. If that were to happen then middle America would have starvation and thus internal fighting for food and water. All of those bank loans keeping farms afloat would disappear. Seasonal labor to keep those massive industrial farms functional would disappear. Crops could rot in the fields. Hungry people could change sides. Middle America conveniently forgets how much help it gets from the rest of America when times are tough. Let's also not forget how much middle American agriculture is dedicated to non-food crops. Middle American cities are not going to survive on corn grown for biofuel. It's inedible. Let's not also forget all of the farm subsidies that allow farmers to make a living or the fact that family farms growing food crops are few and far between. Fewer than 5% of middle American farms are family owned and operated and are likely to grow more than a single crop. Most farm production is intended for export and concentrates on things like corn and wheat. I wouldn't be so certain that middle America would necessarily outlast the rest of America.

It would be a shame to be living in farm country and not have enough to eat.

Coastal America, with its greater dependence on centralized government, would be the first to collapse into chaos.

[donttread]

Maybe and maybe not. You might have food, but little else. Coastal America would have imports. One bad weather year and much of middle America could be wiped out by drought and tornadoes that they don't seem to have had any historical problem with taking government charity to fix, nevermind the flooding of the Mississippi river. If that were to happen then middle America would have starvation and thus internal fighting for food and water. All of those bank loans keeping farms afloat would disappear. Seasonal labor to keep those massive industrial farms functional would disappear. Crops could rot in the fields. Hungry people could change sides. Middle America conveniently forgets how much help it gets from the rest of America when times are tough. Let's also not forget how much middle American agriculture is dedicated to non-food crops. Middle American cities are not going to survive on corn grown for biofuel. It's inedible. Let's not also forget all of the farm subsidies that allow farmers to make a living or the fact that family farms growing food crops are few and far between. Fewer than 5% of middle American farms are family owned and operated and are likely to grow more than a single crop. Most farm production is intended for export and concentrates on things like corn and wheat. I wouldn't be so certain that middle America would necessarily outlast the rest of America.

It would be a shame to be living in farm country and not have enough to eat.

The factory farms would be abandoned or taken and as more mono-culture that soil is aching for rotation . Once the fighting started here we would find out just how many enemies we've made abroad effecting imports. Also the financial centers of the coast would collapse or be targeted. Rural electricity flow to the cities would fall day one or two.
It would be a mess all the way around but large urban areas would be the worst place to be.

[Captdon]

Maybe and maybe not. You might have food, but little else. Coastal America would have imports. One bad weather year and much of middle America could be wiped out by drought and tornadoes that they don't seem to have had any historical problem with taking government charity to fix, nevermind the flooding of the Mississippi river. If that were to happen then middle America would have starvation and thus internal fighting for food and water. All of those bank loans keeping farms afloat would disappear. Seasonal labor to keep those massive industrial farms functional would disappear. Crops could rot in the fields. Hungry people could change sides. Middle America conveniently forgets how much help it gets from the rest of America when times are tough. Let's also not forget how much middle American agriculture is dedicated to non-food crops. Middle American cities are not going to survive on corn grown for biofuel. It's inedible. Let's not also forget all of the farm subsidies that allow farmers to make a living or the fact that family farms growing food crops are few and far between. Fewer than 5% of middle American farms are family owned and operated and are likely to grow more than a single crop. Most farm production is intended for export and concentrates on things like corn and wheat. I wouldn't be so certain that middle America would necessarily outlast the rest of America.

It would be a shame to be living in farm country and not have enough to eat.

You're talking as if this would be a multi-year event.


Actually, cutting the electric would be enough. I will bet that city folk( that's where most if you live) can't go a week without power. I will have all the food I need until you surrender,

I only said this to show you how fragile your society is.

[Dr. Who]

You're talking as if this would be a multi-year event.


Actually, cutting the electric would be enough. I will bet that city folk( that's where most if you live) can't go a week without power. I will have all the food I need until you surrender,

I only said this to show you how fragile your society is.

Are you sure about that? Check out the map below and where the concentration of power plants are:

[Captdon]

Are you sure about that? Check out the map below and where the concentration of power plants are:

I am positive. These are locations but not exact locations. I bet they are all in the rural areas and not in the cities.

It's not going to happen but you will quit first when your lines are cut.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Why were you fighting against Mr V so hard the other day in the threads arguing him for wanting to bring death to our soil. Why have you changed opinions since a few days ago? Are you the same person? http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...hand-in-making

what is going on here?

[Captdon]

Why were you fighting against Mr V so hard the other day in the threads arguing him for wanting to bring death to our soil. Why have you changed opinions since a few days ago? Are you the same person? http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...hand-in-making

what is going on here?

We were talking about obeying the law. It has nothing to do with this.