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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I'm reminded of a remark he made in his inaugural address: "We fear the world, but the whole world must be made to fear us." That line has always stuck with me. I think it concentrates the particularly belligerent mentality of this administration. "The whole world" consists of enemies to be subdued, apparently.
    Might be a better attitude than serving the world as their police and welfare daddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Might be a better attitude than serving the world as their police and welfare daddy.
    Except he never said it. It was made up. https://www.npr.org/2017/01/20/51062...ation-ceremony
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    So, when we do something well the rest of the world should place huge tariffs on us but we shouldn't try to level the field.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    That line is not in his inaugural address. https://www.npr.org/2017/01/20/51062...ation-ceremony

    For a line to always stick with you but never was in his speech, I am curious, where did you get that line? The only time the word "fear" is in his address is:

    When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.
    There should be no fear – we are protected, and we will always be protected.

    Where did you get that line?


    "Whole world" is nowhere in the speech. Help me out here.
    Interesting, the world socialist site @ https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-j21.html quotes it. This Canadian progressive site @ http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/new...residency.html quotes it. Others.

    All the same line: "Trump’s message was just the opposite: “We fear the world, but the whole world must be made to fear us.”"

    Maybe they were "paraphrasing" him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    In my opinion Trump's efforts to have our trade system be a one sided, always in America's favor type of policy at the end of the day is only going to burn every remaining friendly bridge out there until we find ourselves winning so much in our minds that we lose where it counts most.
    When did he say that? He has called for us to pay the same tariffs as others pay. He has never said we should have any advantage with tariffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Trump started this market wars. What did he expect? There would not be answers when he wanted to put tariffs on European or Canadian products. Obviously the rest, would answer, putting their own tariffs.
    The fight is over their tariffs not ours. Pay some attention when you get a break from your TDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    So, when we do something well the rest of the world should place huge tariffs on us but we shouldn't try to level the field.

    Strictly economically speaking, yes, we should let other countries harm their own citizens with tariffs and ourselves turn to a policy of free trade which will help us prosper as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    That line is not in his inaugural address. https://www.npr.org/2017/01/20/51062...ation-ceremony

    For a line to always stick with you but never was in his speech, I am curious, where did you get that line? The only time the word "fear" is in his address is:
    When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.
    There should be no fear – we are protected, and we will always be protected.

    Where did you get that line?


    "Whole world" is nowhere in the speech. Help me out here.
    Uuuugh. That's the last time I trust the World Socialist Web Site for quotations! I got the line from an article of their's at the time. The context was:

    In a few cases, most famously Abraham Lincoln’s, the inaugural address has endured and become a political landmark. In the modern era, Franklin Roosevelt declared, in the midst of the Great Depression, that the American people had “nothing to fear but fear itself.”

    Trump’s message was just the opposite: “We fear the world, but the whole world must be made to fear us.”
    Since the line had been placed in quotation marks, and seemed believably like something Trump would, in fact, say, I assumed it to be a literal excerpt from the speech rather than an ideological paraphrase.

    They're a pretty terrible news source anyway, I've found. Way too hyperbolic. Sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    When did he say that? He has called for us to pay the same tariffs as others pay. He has never said we should have any advantage with tariffs.

    TDS is eating a hole in your head.
    America first has been his guiding principle. Does he not believe that all deals should be in America’s favor??? He constantly says that.
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    Sorry @Chloe, my source proved to be unreliable! I clarified it above. I am not perfect.

    Still not a big fan of the policy we're discussing though, or the mentality behind it, which you're right about.
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