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    Mercantilist or Medieval?

    Mercantilist or medieval, you decide.


    Trump’s trade policy is stuck in the ’80s — the 1680s

    President Trump often seems as though he’s stuck in the ’80s. But maybe the better comparison is to the 1680s, not the Reagan era.

    ...These trade policies, and the supposed rationale behind them, bear an uncanny resemblance to classical mercantilism.

    ...In a nutshell, mercantilists believed a country should try to maximize exports and minimize imports.

    The logic was this: Military power comes from wealth; wealth comes from accumulating gold and silver; and the way you accumulate gold and silver is through trade surpluses. Your merchant ships should go out loaded with attractive goods and came back overflowing with shiny specie.

    ...It was a zero-sum view of the world....

    ...[Adma Smith] (and subsequently other classical economists, such as David Ricardo) turned much of this thinking on its head....

    ...By specializing in what you do well and honing your skills in that area. Then you trade with other people who do other stuff well. Through these transactions, over time, everyone gets richer.

    In other words: Trade is not zero-sum; it’s positive-sum....

    ...Like an 18th-century mercantilist, Trump perceives no mutual gains from trade. In any transaction, he sees only a winner and a loser. And the winner is determined by who has the trade surplus.

    ...Also, like those mercantilists of yore, he conflates our balance of trade with national security, though the exact connection between the two remains a bit muddled....

    Truly Medieval

    ...Catherine Rampell is correct that Trump’s trade policies are a nest of fallacies that, as she says, were all the rage in the 1680s (“Trump’s trade policy is stuck in the ’80s – the 1680s,” June 1).

    But these fallacies are far older than even that. They were current in the 1380s! In 1381 Richard Leicester worried about the fact that the English were importing more than they were exporting and, therefore, were paying for these extra imports with money. Save for the archaic language in which it is couched (and that it refers to England rather than to the U.S.), Leicester’s solution to this non-problem sounds as if it were from a Trump White House press release: “Wherefore the remedy seems to me to be that each merchant bringing merchandise into England take out of the commodities of the land as much as his merchandise aforesaid shall amount to; and that none carry gold or silver beyond the sea, as it is ordained by statute.”*

    What Adam Smith called the “absurd” doctrine of the balance of trade** is literally a medieval superstition....

    * Quoted in Jacob Viner, Studies in the Theory of International Trade (1937), p. 6.

    ** Adam Smith, An Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations (1776), Book IV, Chapter 3, paragraph 31.
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    That article is from the Washington Post, a liberal organization as I recall.

    So , a multibillionaire knows nothing of trade or business, is the assessment of Post. Ok. Believe it if you will.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Lambda View Post
    That article is from the Washington Post, a liberal organization as I recall.

    So , a multibillionaire knows nothing of trade or business, is the assessment of Post. Ok. Believe it if you will.




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    That doesn't mean Canada should place a 238% tariff on out dairy goods; Europe to place a 25% tariff in our cars. Tariff have there place but these are ludicrous.

    What defense is there for this. Canada's amount to a ban.
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    In my opinion Trump's efforts to have our trade system be a one sided, always in America's favor type of policy at the end of the day is only going to burn every remaining friendly bridge out there until we find ourselves winning so much in our minds that we lose where it counts most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    That doesn't mean Canada should place a 238% tariff on out dairy goods; Europe to place a 25% tariff in our cars. Tariff have there place but these are ludicrous.

    What defense is there for this. Canada's amount to a ban.

    None. Canada is just as medieval in its economic thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    That doesn't mean Canada should place a 238% tariff on out dairy goods; Europe to place a 25% tariff in our cars. Tariff have there place but these are ludicrous.

    What defense is there for this. Canada's amount to a ban.
    Trump started this market wars. What did he expect? There would not be answers when he wanted to put tariffs on European or Canadian products. Obviously the rest, would answer, putting their own tariffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Trump started this market wars. What did he expect? There would not be answers when he wanted to put tariffs on European or Canadian products. Obviously the rest, would answer, putting their own tariffs.
    Well, no, the Canadians have been doing this a long time when it comes to dairy products, lumber, etc. Trump's retaliating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    In my opinion Trump's efforts to have our trade system be a one sided, always in America's favor type of policy at the end of the day is only going to burn every remaining friendly bridge out there until we find ourselves winning so much in our minds that we lose where it counts most.
    I'm reminded of a remark he made in his inaugural address: "We fear the world, but the whole world must be made to fear us." That line has always stuck with me. I think it concentrates the particularly belligerent mentality of this administration. "The whole world" consists of enemies to be subdued, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I'm reminded of a remark he made in his inaugural address: "We fear the world, but the whole world must be made to fear us." That line has always stuck with me. I think it concentrates the particularly belligerent mentality of this administration. "The whole world" consists of enemies to be subdued, apparently.
    That line is not in his inaugural address. https://www.npr.org/2017/01/20/51062...ation-ceremony

    For a line to always stick with you but never was in his speech, I am curious, where did you get that line? The only time the word "fear" is in his address is:

    When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.
    There should be no fear – we are protected, and we will always be protected.

    Where did you get that line?


    "Whole world" is nowhere in the speech. Help me out here.
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