Rand Paul Slams Indefinite Detention

[MisterVeritis]

Where did you get that?
Link.

It was from your story above:

Whenever parents are charged with a federal misdemeanor (entry without inspection in this case), or awaiting trial, they are placed in the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service. Children cannot go to jail, so they are transferred to the custody of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement. They are then placed with relatives, juvenile detention centers or foster care.


That’s a longstanding Homeland Security policy, DHS told us.


Did you not read the cut and paste job you posted?

[Dr. Who]

It was from your story above:

Whenever parents are charged with a federal misdemeanor (entry without inspection in this case), or awaiting trial, they are placed in the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service. Children cannot go to jail, so they are transferred to the custody of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement. They are then placed with relatives, juvenile detention centers or foster care.


That’s a longstanding Homeland Security policy, DHS told us.


Did you not read the cut and paste job you posted?

Do you think that there was ever a time when children were put in jail?

[Ethereal]

Rand Paul isn't talking about immigration policy, he's talking about the NDAA.

(ACLU) PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNS INDEFINITE DETENTION BILL INTO LAW

[Ethereal]

Who is a Terrorist?

The U.S. Government seems to think everyone is. If you are “reverent of individual liberty”, “suspicious of centralized federal authority”, “pay with cash”, “travel illogical distances”, “stockpile food” and any or all of the above (including over 200 other clues) you are a suspected terrorist.

Here are the documents to prove it. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has over twenty different flyers they routinely give to business owners to “fight terrorism”, otherwise known as reporting your neighbor. They are listed here as well as a Missouri MIAC Report and a START report on Hotspots of Terrorism in the United States. There have been several incidents around the country where even complaining about your tap water can be considered an act of terrorism.

Meeting one single requirement in any of these flyers/reports is enough to make someone a “suspected terrorist”, and therefore covered by the NDAA.

Welcome to 1984.

[Ethereal]

From the Department of Homeland Security:

(U) animal rights extremism: (U//FOUO) A movement of groups or individuals who ascribe equal value to all living organisms and seek to end the perceived abuse and suffering of animals. They believe animals are sentient creatures that experience emotional, physical, and mental awareness and deserve many of thesame rights as human beings; for example, the right to life and freedom to engage in normal, instinctive animal behavior. These groups have been known to advocate or engage in criminal activity and plot acts of violence and terrorism in an attempt to advance their extremist goals. They have targeted industries, businesses, and government entities that they perceive abuse or exploit animals, including those that use animals for testing, human services, food production, or consumption.
(also: animal liberation)

Notice how they make no attempt to distinguish between peaceful animal rights activism and criminality. I wonder if they've put Chloe on a watch-list yet.

[MisterVeritis]

Do you think that there was ever a time when children were put in jail?

Do you think there was ever a time when you were not led so easily by people intent on deceiving you?

[MisterVeritis]

These groups have been known to advocate or engage in criminal activity and plot acts of violence and terrorism in an attempt to advance their extremist goals. They have targeted industries, businesses, and government entities that they perceive abuse or exploit animals...

Notice how they make no attempt to distinguish between peaceful animal rights activism and criminality. I wonder if they've put Chloe on a watch-list yet.

What is peaceful about criminal activity, violence and terrorism? Can you remember a time when you were not yet radical?

[Dr. Who]

Do you think there was ever a time when you were not led so easily by people intent on deceiving you?

I'm asking a perfectly reasonable question. Was there ever a time when the children of illegals who were arrested, were ever put in jail? Presumably, if this was purely Obama policy, prior to 2008, children were jailed with their parents. This is what you are suggesting is it not?

[MisterVeritis]

I'm asking a perfectly reasonable question. Was there ever a time when the children of illegals who were arrested, were ever put in jail? Presumably, if this was purely Obama policy, prior to 2008, children were jailed with their parents. This is what you are suggesting is it not?

The children are not put in jail. Did you bother to read what that goofy ignoramus cut and pasted?

[Dr. Who]

The children are not put in jail. Did you bother to read what that goofy ignoramus cut and pasted?

Then the allegation that this is a policy instigated by Obama is disingenuous. Children of illegals who are arrested and charged have never been jailed and there has never been a policy of separating children, other than not sending them to jail. So when Trump tweeted:

"Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there (sic) parents once they cross the Border into the U.S.," and "I know what you're going through right now with families is very tough, but those are the bad laws that the Democrats gave us. We have to break up families."

It was not the truth. Children in detention centers are not now, nor ever were separated from their parents when the parents were not arrested, charged and jailed. The fact that Trump made an executive order mandating those found removable by final order jailed and the children as a result separated has nothing to do with Obama policies, but the pictures of crying children are making Trump look heartless, so he's trying to deflect the blame to nonexistent Obama laws.