IG: McCabe Used Strzok’s Mistress To Bypass Chain Of Command To Monitor Clinton Probe

[ripmeister]

This is another red herring. Shockingly I agree with Mr. V. A good manager always tries to get down to the grass roots on occasion. If they don't they aren't doing their job.

[stjames1_53]

This is another red herring. Shockingly I agree with Mr. V. A good manager always tries to get down to the grass roots on occasion. If they don't they aren't doing their job.

red herring ya say. How is that?
as far as management goes, why bother with having the in-betweeners at all if you cannot trust them to report accurately?
Do you have an idea what wasn't filtered to him, regardless?
If that were the case, why even bother having them to begin with.
And what about the Strzok/Page deal at all? Did they not have a tainted view about Trump to begin with? And why didn't McCabe report it as such?Maybe she was laying her "bed work" in anticipation of a serious promotion with both of them............

[MisterVeritis]

red herring ya say. How is that?
as far as management goes, why bother with having the in-betweeners at all if you cannot trust them to report accurately?
Do you have an idea what wasn't filtered to him, regardless?
If that were the case, why even bother having them to begin with.
And what about the Strzok/Page deal at all? Did they not have a tainted view about Trump to begin with? And why didn't McCabe report it as such? Maybe she was laying her "bed work" in anticipation of a serious promotion with both of them............

A good manager will find ways to sense more directly what is occurring. In this narrow case, McCabe did nothing wrong.

Tall organizations are notoriously bad for rapidly transmitting bad news up the chain. A good manager knows this and will find a way to get good information anyway.

[ripmeister]

red herring ya say. How is that?
as far as management goes, why bother with having the in-betweeners at all if you cannot trust them to report accurately?
Do you have an idea what wasn't filtered to him, regardless?
If that were the case, why even bother having them to begin with.
And what about the Strzok/Page deal at all? Did they not have a tainted view about Trump to begin with? And why didn't McCabe report it as such?Maybe she was laying her "bed work" in anticipation of a serious promotion with both of them............

A red herring in the sense that there was something fundamentally wrong with the bypass or not following the chain. I reject that notion in and of itself.

[ripmeister]

A good manager or CEO for that matter will occasionally get down to where the sausage is being made to get a clear view of the efficacy of their business. There was some TV show on awhile back, the title of which escapes me, but the idea was to have CEOs go in "undercover" and spend a week with the people who actually do the work. In many cases it was an eye opener for the CEO.

[stjames1_53]

A red herring in the sense that there was something fundamentally wrong with the bypass or not following the chain. I reject that notion in and of itself.

We're not talking about disgruntled employees here. It is a very serious investigation with very deep ramifications. Is it not? Does one NOT cross their T's and dot their I's?
And Page's and Strzok's anti-Trump positions tainted their views. What all did they report? Just what they wanted? Did they filter information, or do you trust they reported that actual facts? Before you answer, best to have all of those facts as well.

[MisterVeritis]

We're not talking about disgruntled employees here. It is a very serious investigation with very deep ramifications. Is it not? Does one NOT cross their T's and dot their I's?
And Page's and Strzok's anti-Trump positions tainted their views. What all did they report? Just what they wanted? Did they filter information, or do you trust they reported that actual facts? Before you answer, best to have all of those facts as well.

There are two different issues in play. McCabe's use of Page to get unfiltered information is separate from the nature of the information she conveyed.

[ripmeister]

We're not talking about disgruntled employees here. It is a very serious investigation with very deep ramifications. Is it not? Does one NOT cross their T's and dot their I's?
And Page's and Strzok's anti-Trump positions tainted their views. What all did they report? Just what they wanted? Did they filter information, or do you trust they reported that actual facts? Before you answer, best to have all of those facts as well.

I was simply responding to the charge that something was amiss because chain of command was not followed. That was the charge early in the thread, that that somehow proved some sort of nefarious activity. It doesn't. The other issues that have been raised were addressed in the IG's report and while perhaps disconcerting were not shown to have any material effect on the outcome of things. You all were so eager for this IG report to come out and when it did and didn't support your grand conspiracy narrative you have now changed your mind.

[MisterVeritis]

I was simply responding to the charge that something was amiss because chain of command was not followed. That was the charge early in the thread, that that somehow proved some sort of nefarious activity. It doesn't. The other issues that have been raised were addressed in the IG's report and while perhaps disconcerting were not shown to have any material effect on the outcome of things. You all were so eager for this IG report to come out and when it did and didn't support your grand conspiracy narrative you have now changed your mind.

The IG report does support the coup attempt explanation. This first piece sets the stage. Most of the players are the same.

[stjames1_53]

There are two different issues in play. McCabe's use of Page to get unfiltered information is separate from the nature of the information she conveyed.

We already know she was biased. All of these roads lead to the Trump investigation. How did he know, for certain, her bias wasn't presented when she reported back to McCabe?
Good middle management would have seen this. But if you cannot trust middle management, why even have them there? To handle disgruntled employee problems? Does this not qualify under those conditions?
How can you be so sure her reports weren't tainted? She absolutely hated Trump, and like Strozk, wanted to hamper Trump's presidency. That much we can take away from their shared texts.
Middle management has a tendency to filter out the crap, as long as they are doing their job correctly. Maybe what was needed here was some filtering............