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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Where's Safety with his proof. He appears to be MIA when called out.
    He's busy constructing his next whataboutism.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    The fear is strong in many of these idiots...
    The arguments are weak in this idiot.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Zero View Post
    Yesterday, in his latest campaign trip, Trump claimed that

    “Sixty-three thousand Americans since 9/11 have been killed by illegal aliens,” the president said. “This isn’t a problem that’s going away, it’s getting bigger.”

    That's literally impossible:

    http://criminology.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

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    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/have-undocumented-killed-63000-us-9-11/

    According to data provided for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there have been 260,743 homicides in the United States from 2002 through 2016 (the most recent year available.) It thus seems mathematically impossible that undocumented immigrants, who make up roughly 3 percent of the population, would have committed just under a quarter of all homicides in the United States during that time period. The bogus figure appears to have originated in a May 2006 post by Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa complaining about the “Day Without An Immigrant” campaign calling attention to the contributions of immigrants to U.S. community.
    Without undocumented immigrants, he said, no one would smuggle drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border, and non-immigrants would be safer:
    The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals. Our hospital emergency rooms would not be flooded with everything from gunshot wounds, to anchor babies, to imported diseases to hangnails, giving American citizens the day off from standing in line behind illegals. Eight American children would not suffer the horror as a victim of a sex crime.
    A rate of 33 “deaths” per day for the roughly 4.5 years between the 9/11 attacks and the publication of King’s unsubstantiated claim would come out to 48,180 deaths in total, a rate that would far surpass the 63,000 number by 2018 — if it was legitimate.
    Three years later, in 2009, King (who has a history of racist public statements) misrepresented a report from the Government Accountability Office, claiming that 25,064 undocumented immigrants had been arrested for homicides between 2004 and 2008. In fact, the statistic covered the time period between August 1955 and April 2010, a difference of nearly 51 years. The first, fraudulent timeframe would work out to about 17 arrests per day; the real timeframe works out to approximately 1.25 arrests of undocumented people for homicide per day, or 456 arrests per year.
    If we multiply that figure by eighteen just to be generous (11 September 2001 to 22 June 2018), we get a final figure of about 8,218 arrests, as opposed to the faulty metric, which yields a total of around 112,790 homicide arrests in the same timeframe. (We will, for now, ignore the fact that arrests are not the same as convictions, and note that we did not factor in leap days.) So the numbers in the claim fall flat on both the amount of murders committed and the arrests and convictions made in those murders.

    Yeah, that's a bull$#@! number . But 3% of the population being here illegally is a scary number for other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Zero View Post
    Yesterday, in his latest campaign trip, Trump claimed that

    “Sixty-three thousand Americans since 9/11 have been killed by illegal aliens,” the president said. “This isn’t a problem that’s going away, it’s getting bigger.”

    That's literally impossible:

    http://criminology.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

    More...

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/have-undocumented-killed-63000-us-9-11/

    According to data provided for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there have been 260,743 homicides in the United States from 2002 through 2016 (the most recent year available.) It thus seems mathematically impossible that undocumented immigrants, who make up roughly 3 percent of the population, would have committed just under a quarter of all homicides in the United States during that time period. The bogus figure appears to have originated in a May 2006 post by Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa complaining about the “Day Without An Immigrant” campaign calling attention to the contributions of immigrants to U.S. community.
    Without undocumented immigrants, he said, no one would smuggle drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border, and non-immigrants would be safer:
    The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals. Our hospital emergency rooms would not be flooded with everything from gunshot wounds, to anchor babies, to imported diseases to hangnails, giving American citizens the day off from standing in line behind illegals. Eight American children would not suffer the horror as a victim of a sex crime.
    A rate of 33 “deaths” per day for the roughly 4.5 years between the 9/11 attacks and the publication of King’s unsubstantiated claim would come out to 48,180 deaths in total, a rate that would far surpass the 63,000 number by 2018 — if it was legitimate.
    Three years later, in 2009, King (who has a history of racist public statements) misrepresented a report from the Government Accountability Office, claiming that 25,064 undocumented immigrants had been arrested for homicides between 2004 and 2008. In fact, the statistic covered the time period between August 1955 and April 2010, a difference of nearly 51 years. The first, fraudulent timeframe would work out to about 17 arrests per day; the real timeframe works out to approximately 1.25 arrests of undocumented people for homicide per day, or 456 arrests per year.
    If we multiply that figure by eighteen just to be generous (11 September 2001 to 22 June 2018), we get a final figure of about 8,218 arrests, as opposed to the faulty metric, which yields a total of around 112,790 homicide arrests in the same timeframe. (We will, for now, ignore the fact that arrests are not the same as convictions, and note that we did not factor in leap days.) So the numbers in the claim fall flat on both the amount of murders committed and the arrests and convictions made in those murders.

    I do not believe he said Murdered, he said killed, with that the number is still high I am sure but when you include deaths other than murder as well it could get in the ballpark.
    In the ten states with the highest concentration of illegal immigrants, (according to FAIR’s most recent estimates: California, Texas, New York, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Georgia, North Carolina, New Jersey and Colorado) 14.6 percent of driving fatalities are caused by an unlicensed or improperly licensed driver. Furthermore, the percentage of those killed by hit-and-run drivers is higher in these states, 6.1 percent compared the national average of 5.3 percent. Needless to say, because data on whether drivers were licensed or uninsured or inebriated can’t be collected on those who leave the scene of an accident, the data would likely show a higher incidence of unlicensed and uninsured drivers causing accidents if that data were available. https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal...nlicensed-kill
    "The powers of the federal government are enumerated; it can only operate in certain cases; it has legislative powers on defined and limited objects, beyond which it cannot extend its jurisdiction." James Madison 1788

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Yea, prove it. i hope i don't have to ask you four times to prove you aren't a liar.
    you can count on him not to respond. Or he'll say, "I posted it in the forum. You go find it!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    First of all illegals in the U.S. are closer to 10 percent of the population than the 3 percent claimed. 18 deaths a day doesn't sound all that far fetched when it includes all deaths they might be involved in, mostly DUI's I'm sure.
    Of course we cannot include MS-13 and the many good deeds and God's work they do. Just ask Pelosi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    The fear is strong in many of these idiots...
    I am armed and shameless..................I only fear God.
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    Don, I think you nailed it. It would be important to note that no one disputes that illegals are reeking havoc on our society just as they are in Europe. Their numbers are huge and therefore it makes sense that the number of crimes is large.

    One again Trump is right. You can argue in this case the number is 63K or perhaps it is 46,949 who knows? One thing we know for sure is it has to stop. In the words of one our greatest minds, political figures and all around amazing Americans of the past 100 years.. " What does it matter Senator"? (the exact number is irrelevant)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    Don, I think you nailed it. It would be important to note that no one disputes that illegals are reeking havoc on our society just as they are in Europe. Their numbers are huge and therefore it makes sense that the number of crimes is large.

    One again Trump is right. You can argue in this case the number is 63K or perhaps it is 46,949 who knows? One thing we know for sure is it has to stop. In the words of one our greatest minds, political figures and all around amazing Americans of the past 100 years.. " What does it matter Senator"? (the exact number is irrelevant)
    The genie is already out of the bottle, thanks to Obama and his gang of lying thieves
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    LoL, the same Obama that was called the "deporter in chief", yet mouth breathers will say he caused the immigration problem....
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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