“Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater
Since you guys have a direct conduit to him, why don't you ask him? It would be good for the forum.
Aside from that you have the hole where you can bash moderators and moderation till your heart flutters and we wont respond.
That is the problem. If there is no dialogue, no problems are solved. It needs to be a two way discussion.
Last edited by Cletus; 12-02-2019 at 12:41 PM.
“Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater
“Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”
- Jefferson Davis
On those rare occasions when a Moderator has clearly abused his or her authority, or is behaving on the open forum in a way that brings discredit upon not only him- or herself but on the entire Mod team and the board itself, there should be a mechanism for bringing this to everyone's attention - not just the suggestion that we go meekly, hat in hand, to the offending party in a PM, or complain to Admin, etc. At present, as Ethereal has suggested, there is no practical way to accomplish this in most situations without getting shut down.
When a regular member crosses the line, he or she is slapped on the wrist in a very public way; bad behavior by Moderators (and Advisors) should be dealt with in every bit as transparent a fashion.
“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
"Only a rank degenerate would drive 1,500 miles across Texas and not eat a chicken fried steak." - Larry McMurtry
Ethereal (12-03-2019)
Why in the world would we need to suspend rules that say we should limit profane attacks on indviduals that have nothing to do with the topics. If you cant do that maybe the issue is you not the rules.
You are welcome to send me any vile, profane, juvenile PM you like. That way it is out of the public forum. It truly wont bother me. Now be advised I am not going to read it and certainly not going to respond to it.. but you are more than welcome to send it without reprucussion.
"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"----Fletcher in The Outlaw Josey Wales
Agent Zero (12-02-2019)
1. "...has clearly abused his or her authority.." -- as determined by whom? You realize the reports that we get and/or the complaints that we get claiming that we've abused our authority? 99.99999% of them would be viewed by any reasonably sane person as argle-bargle. So, who determines?
2. Given that, isn't The Hole the place for that? I don't think you'll find a Mod going into The Hole to argue with you about their conduct. I looked, there are countless threads on Mod behavior in The Hole.
3. Mods should be held to at a minimum the same standard. At a minimum.
Last edited by DGUtley; 12-02-2019 at 01:48 PM.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes
I concur.
I think moderators should be able to act unilaterally. If they see a problem, they should not have to go to committee to correct it. At the same time, if it is believed a moderator made a bad call or acted inappropriately, there should be a mechanism for review and appeal. During that process, both the moderator and the poster involved should be able to make their respective cases in an open format, with the final decision being made by someone designated specifically to oversee the moderation process... a Chief Moderator, if you will. I would suggest someone like DGUTLEY or Common for that role.
I also think moderators should be assigned specific forums to moderate and they should be required to read every post in every active thread in those forums. This business of waiting until they receive a "report" is nonsense. Also, unless the offense is particularly egregious (physical threats, defamation of family members, things of that nature), there should never be thread ban without an opportunity being provided to self correct the offensive behavior (a warning).
You and I have both moderated forums much larger in membership and more active than this. It really is not rocket science.
“Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater
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