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    Ontario’s Minimum Wage Hike Has Been Disastrous, Especially for Disabled Workers

    Liberal emotional pleas to help the weak backfire.

    Ontario’s Minimum Wage Hike Has Been Disastrous, Especially for Disabled Workers

    The Canadian province of Ontario began 2018 by raising the minimum wage from $11.60 to $14. The move was predictably praised by union leaders and most of the general public as a compassionate policy that would help workers. Equally predictable was the damage this would do to unskilled workers, much of which is already clearly visible, only half a year into this unfortunate experiment. And given that the damage caused by minimum wages takes time to unfold, more carnage is surely on the horizon.

    When the Ontario government raised the minimum wage, it also terminated an exemption for organizations providing jobs to the intellectually or physically disabled. As a result, The Globe and Mail reports, most of these organizations “have opted to stop hiring people with cognitive disabilities.” Not only was hiring stopped, community centers and non-profits were also forced to let go of their existing disabled workers.

    The parents of these disabled workers organized a protest demanding exemptions from the government’s unfair minimum wage law, since no employer could afford to pay their disabled adult children $14 per hour. As no exemption has yet been granted, the clear result of the new minimum wage policy was to cut down the most vulnerable workers in the province by destroying the jobs that provided them with income and self-esteem.
    The article goes on to cite politcians deliberately aimiing to shut down businesses: "In December, weeks before the minimum wage rose to $14, one member of the Ontario Parliament said that the minimum wage hike was intended to force some employers to close shop. According to CTV News, one Liberal legislator “lashed out at critics of the minimum wage hike by saying business owners shouldn't be operating if they can't afford it.”"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Liberal emotional pleas to help the weak backfire.

    Ontario’s Minimum Wage Hike Has Been Disastrous, Especially for Disabled Workers



    The article goes on to cite politcians deliberately aimiing to shut down businesses: "In December, weeks before the minimum wage rose to $14, one member of the Ontario Parliament said that the minimum wage hike was intended to force some employers to close shop. According to CTV News, one Liberal legislator “lashed out at critics of the minimum wage hike by saying business owners shouldn't be operating if they can't afford it.”"
    Exactly, if they cannot afford it, then it is that their business is not sustainable. That is pure logic. If they cannot afford an acceptable wage to pay their workers, it is that the business is broken, or that person should not hire anybody.

    That is evident that the business is not suitable if they cannot afford workers. So, maybe the owners should rethink their business model because probably it is obsolete or the market is too low to make this business sustanaible and profitable. So, if the business is not profitable, the best thing that they can do is go out of business and look for something else. Maybe that person should step down and think that person is not good for business and should find something else. Nothing bad on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Exactly, if they cannot afford it, then it is that their business is not sustainable. That is pure logic. If they cannot afford an acceptable wage to pay their workers, it is that the business is broken, or that person should not hire anybody.

    That is evident that the business is not suitable if they cannot afford workers. So, maybe the owners should rethink their business model because probably it is obsolete or the market is too low to make this business sustanaible and profitable. So, if the business is not profitable, the best thing that they can do is go out of business and look for something else. Maybe that person should step down and think that person is not good for business and should find something else. Nothing bad on that.

    Yea, real simple logic: Let businesses close. More logic follows: That many more workers are without a job. Nothing bad about that, right?
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    As Ontario has variable minimum wages for different classes of workers the solution to the developmentally disabled worker class is to officially add them to the list at a rate that is reduced in consideration of the impact of their intellectual disabilities on the employer. The employer is then free to increase their rate in accordance with their performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Liberal emotional pleas to help the weak backfire.

    Ontario’s Minimum Wage Hike Has Been Disastrous, Especially for Disabled Workers



    The article goes on to cite politcians deliberately aimiing to shut down businesses: "In December, weeks before the minimum wage rose to $14, one member of the Ontario Parliament said that the minimum wage hike was intended to force some employers to close shop. According to CTV News, one Liberal legislator “lashed out at critics of the minimum wage hike by saying business owners shouldn't be operating if they can't afford it.”"
    Roosevelt thought that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Exactly, if they cannot afford it, then it is that their business is not sustainable. That is pure logic. If they cannot afford an acceptable wage to pay their workers, it is that the business is broken, or that person should not hire anybody.

    That is evident that the business is not suitable if they cannot afford workers. So, maybe the owners should rethink their business model because probably it is obsolete or the market is too low to make this business sustanaible and profitable. So, if the business is not profitable, the best thing that they can do is go out of business and look for something else. Maybe that person should step down and think that person is not good for business and should find something else. Nothing bad on that.
    Nonsense. the government should not have the power to decide who wins and who loses. If a business goes under so do the employees. Did you forget about them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    As Ontario has variable minimum wages for different classes of workers the solution to the developmentally disabled worker class is to officially add them to the list at a rate that is reduced in consideration of the impact of their intellectual disabilities on the employer. The employer is then free to increase their rate in accordance with their performance.

    What justifies the government deciding wages? Ideally, for realistically, as this and so many other instances illustrate, it's incapable of doing so without doing harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    What justifies the government deciding wages? Ideally, for realistically, as this and so many other instances illustrate, it's incapable of doing so without doing harm.
    What justifies it is history. Minimum wage workers are the most available and least skilled. These jobs are not competitive for business, just for workers. Absent minimum wage, they would be paid the least that the most desperate would accept for a day's work which would likely be less than what they need to survive and what the value of their labor is actually worth. Since we no longer live in the 19th century, people who make less than what it takes to actually find shelter and feed themselves must therefore turn to government for subsidy because we are no longer OK with malnutritioned children dressed in rags and people living in shanty towns made of rubble and trash.
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