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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    The term "representative democracy" is an oxymoron. Democracy is direct majority vote of the people. The word "Republic" in and of itself is truly ambiguious, however when proceeded by the word "Constitutional," it has total rational definition as a nation governed by a "RULE OF LAW."

    Semantics.

    Representative democracy

    Representative democracy (also indirect democracy, representative republic, representative government or psephocracy) is a type of democracy founded on the principle of elected officials representing a group of people, as opposed to direct democracy.[2] Nearly all modern Western-style democracies are types of representative democracies; for example, the United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy, France is a unitary state, and the United States is a federal republic.[3]
    @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
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    I'll substitute in "republic", makes no difference:

    Just not seeing any difference. In a direct democracy, majority votes dominate minorities. In a republic, a majority elect some representatives over minorities, and a representative majority dominates representative minorities.

    A constitution makes no difference because a majority can change it.


    See, makes no difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    Definition #1 defines a rule of law simply derived by a majority vote of the people and a possible mob rule if a true democracy were even possible at any extended form aside from a small local government. Definition #2 makes room for representation governance sworn to abide by, preserve, protect and defend not the people, but the people's contractual guarantee of life, liberty, property, pursuit of happiness, rights, privileges and immunities.
    Both make room for representative government and a social contract, i'e. our constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Semantics.
    You mean definition by righteous reality.



    Wikipedia isn't gospel, it's compiled by contributed text from people as likely to be flawed as any other humanoid. A "democracy" whatever else you attach to it still is law made by a majority vote of the people governed. It's as likely to be a lynch mob as a decision to guarantee somebody's rights, privileges and or property.
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I'll substitute in "republic", makes no difference:

    Just not seeing any difference. In a direct democracy, majority votes dominate minorities. In a republic, a majority elect some representatives over minorities, and a representative majority dominates representative minorities.

    A constitution makes no difference because a majority can change it.


    See, makes no difference.
    No majority of the people alone can change the Constitution by a majority vote. Only 3/4 of the States can change the Constitution.
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    That would be true if we adopted the Athenian model of full democracy, but modern nations are too large for such an undertaking, therefore we opt for representative democracy as previously stated.
    Which means we don't have a democracy.
    Democrats are a clear and present danger to our democracy and our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barb012 View Post
    Does the constitution mention anywhere of what to do if all forms of government are corrupt?
    It does vest in the people, via state conventions, the power to change the Constitution. One of the changes I would recommend would be the repeal of the 17th Amendment so that Senators are once again chosen in the manner the Founders directed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    That would be true if we adopted the Athenian model of full democracy, but modern nations are too large for such an undertaking, therefore we opt for representative democracy as previously stated.
    In some worlds words mean things. It does not appear you are concerned with what words mean.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Both make room for representative government and a social contract, i'e. our constitution.
    The word "democracy" gives no room for representation because a democracy is "a majority vote of the people. Attaching "representative" to democracy simply creates an oxymoron the two words are diametrically opposites.
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I don't really see a significant difference between democracy and republic. Sure, one is more direct, one more indirect,
    Democracy is direct.
    A republic is indirect.

    That is a significant difference.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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