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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Words mean things, Alice.
    They mean what people mean by using them. People uses words like representational democracy to mean things. We all know that but you seem to deny it,

    Why argue words, why not argue what people mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    They mean what people mean by using them. People uses words like representational democracy to mean things. We all know that but you seem to deny it,

    Why argue words, why not argue what people mean?
    You are just like Alice. She too said words meant precisely what she meant them to mean.

    You are lazy. A democracy is the opposite of a republic. Making a nonsense phrase rather than correcting the error is foolish and short-sighted.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    My point was that a republican form of government doesn't mean you cannot also use direct democracy for some measures.
    Of course you can.

    Most people say we're a democracy because we vote. It's not the big deal people make of it. It changes nothing.

    Word Nazi's get off on the strangest thing.
    Last edited by Captdon; 07-12-2018 at 12:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Of course you can.

    Most people say we're a democracy because we vote. It's not the big deal people make of it. It changes nothing.

    Word Nazi's get off on the strangest thing.

    Lots of words like that--fascist, white nationalist, some liberals are trying to change the meaning of snowflake.

    From all I've seen, democracy and republic were distinct when applied to classical Greeks and then Romans. Of course, the Founders meant, and described distinct forms of government, when they used democracy and republic. Around the 1950s the distinction disappeared. Democracy as a type simply became rule by the people, with different forms distinguishing how the people ruled, directly or representationally--representational tends to mean parliamentary government in countries that use that form, tends to mean presidental in cases like the US--just the word used to distinguish.

    I think people can be ambiguous in a sneaky way. Others authrotiarian in insistence. People should just be more like the founders and define in text what specifically they mean, like Madison here:

    A pure Democracy, by which I mean a Society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the Government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of Government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party, or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is, that such Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives, as they have been violent in their deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Lots of words like that--fascist, white nationalist, some liberals are trying to change the meaning of snowflake.

    From all I've seen, democracy and republic were distinct when applied to classical Greeks and then Romans. Of course, the Founders meant, and described distinct forms of government, when they used democracy and republic. Around the 1950s the distinction disappeared. Democracy as a type simply became rule by the people, with different forms distinguishing how the people ruled, directly or representationally--representational tends to mean parliamentary government in countries that use that form, tends to mean presidental in cases like the US--just the word used to distinguish.

    I think people can be ambiguous in a sneaky way. Others authrotiarian in insistence. People should just be more like the founders and define in text what specifically they mean, like Madison here:
    A representative republic has little to do with Presidents. It has to do with how we make laws. Under a democracy, all eligible voters convene, write the laws, vote on them and pass or reject them. In a representative republic, the people vote for representatives who convene to write and pass or reject the laws.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    A representative republic has little to do with Presidents. It has to do with how we make laws. Under a democracy, all eligible voters convene, write the laws, vote on them and pass or reject them. In a representative republic, the people vote for representatives who convene to write and pass or reject the laws.

    I'm just repeating things I read all over the place. The label is meant to simply distinguish from parliamentary systems. Sorry it doesn't fit within the confines of your view.
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    parliamentary government this is much more democratic then presidential elected government



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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlsen View Post
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    parliamentary government this is much more democratic then presidential elected government



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I'm just repeating things I read all over the place. The label is meant to simply distinguish from parliamentary systems. Sorry it doesn't fit within the confines of your view.
    You are lazy. I suppose I should find a Latin phrase to describe you. That way it might sink in.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    You are lazy. I suppose I should find a Latin phrase to describe you. That way it might sink in.
    Like ad hom. That, arguing logical fallacies, is lazy thinking.
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