The roots of abortion ideology go back to this dehumanizing 17th century philosophy

[Chris]

The first trimester is the qualifying round for any fertilized egg. It is the time when a high percentage simply do not make it for all manner of reasons, including whether the body is accommodating. What makes one naturally terminated less valuable than one unnaturally terminated? In fact, a statistical percentage of those unnaturally terminated would still have not survived absent interference. When you can produce a theory that makes those that are unnaturally terminated more entitled to life than those arbitrarily terminated by the body, then let me know. Until then, first trimester fetuses are not babies.

You ignore the medical science and biological fact that at conception a new, unique, living, human being exists.

We're not talking about nature, we're talking about materialist ideologies those like you embrace in order to justify killing unborn babies.


Here's an argument analogous to yours: Millions are killed in war, it seem "natural," therefore mass murder is justified.

[Chris]

Abortion isn't an ideology. It's a medical procedure.

Those who support the right of women to have access to abortion don't celebrate it nor do they hate children.

Explain, please, where this right came from.

[Captdon]

The first trimester is the qualifying round for any fertilized egg. It is the time when a high percentage simply do not make it for all manner of reasons, including whether the body is accommodating. What makes one naturally terminated less valuable than one unnaturally terminated? In fact, a statistical percentage of those unnaturally terminated would still have not survived absent interference. When you can produce a theory that makes those that are unnaturally terminated more entitled to life than those arbitrarily terminated by the body, then let me know. Until then, first trimester fetuses are not babies.

You liberals say the first trimester thing so much you actually believe it. SCOTUS has only allowed us to outlaw one thing- partial abortion. The rest of it has always been thrown out. Abortion on demand is allowed with one exception and that is how Roe V Wade has been interpretated.
The rest is nonsense. There is a difference between an accident and murder.

[midcan5]

"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey


'When evangelicals were pro-choice and the NRA was pro-gun control: A history of hypocrisy - Conservative hypocrisy on abortion and guns is part of a much larger far-right power grab, built on dangerous lies'

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/08/whe...-of-hypocrisy/

http://www.feminist.com/resources/ou.../abortion.html
http://bostonreview.net/BR20.3/thomson.php
http://harpers.org/blog/2015/08/we-do-abortions-here/
http://harpers.org/archive/1987/10/w...-nurses-story/


"For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes (Matthew 5). But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course, that's Moses, not Jesus. I haven't heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere. "Blessed are the merciful" in a courtroom? "Blessed are the peacemakers" in the Pentagon? Give me a break!" Kurt Vonnegut

[Chris]

"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey


'When evangelicals were pro-choice and the NRA was pro-gun control: A history of hypocrisy - Conservative hypocrisy on abortion and guns is part of a much larger far-right power grab, built on dangerous lies'

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/08/whe...-of-hypocrisy/

http://www.feminist.com/resources/ou.../abortion.html
http://bostonreview.net/BR20.3/thomson.php
http://harpers.org/blog/2015/08/we-do-abortions-here/
http://harpers.org/archive/1987/10/w...-nurses-story/


"For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes (Matthew 5). But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course, that's Moses, not Jesus. I haven't heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere. "Blessed are the merciful" in a courtroom? "Blessed are the peacemakers" in the Pentagon? Give me a break!" Kurt Vonnegut

Oh, I forgot about that, society made her have sex.

[mamooth]

Oh, I forgot about that, society made her have sex.

Even for you, that deflection was lame and cowardly, not to mention creepy and control-freak like.

The point that set you running there is that the current anti-abortion revisionist position is very new historically, literally newer than the McDonalds Happy Meal. The Reagan bunch made it up because they thought it was politically useful. So, in addition to having no moral, logical or scientific backing, your position also has no historical backing.

The conservative side flipflops to whatever position brings them political power at the moment. In stark contrast, we liberals hold consistent pro-liberty ethics. We know that's one reason why conservatives hate us. Moral relativists hate moral absolutists. The pure shining light of our moral absolutism affects pro-life moral relativists in a manner much like sunlight burning a vampire, so they lash out at the source of their pain.

[Chris]

Even for you, that deflection was lame and cowardly, not to mention creepy and control-freak like.

The point that set you running there is that the current anti-abortion revisionist position is very new historically, literally newer than the McDonalds Happy Meal. The Reagan bunch made it up because they thought it was politically useful. So, in addition to having no moral, logical or scientific backing, your position also has no historical backing.

The conservative side flipflops to whatever position brings them political power at the moment. In stark contrast, we liberals hold consistent pro-liberty ethics. We know that's one reason why conservatives hate us. Moral relativists hate moral absolutists. The pure shining light of our moral absolutism affects pro-life moral relativists in a manner much like sunlight burning a vampire, so they lash out at the source of their pain.

Where's liberty for the unborn baby?

[Captdon]

The first trimester is the qualifying round for any fertilized egg. It is the time when a high percentage simply do not make it for all manner of reasons, including whether the body is accommodating. What makes one naturally terminated less valuable than one unnaturally terminated? In fact, a statistical percentage of those unnaturally terminated would still have not survived absent interference. When you can produce a theory that makes those that are unnaturally terminated more entitled to life than those arbitrarily terminated by the body, then let me know. Until then, first trimester fetuses are not babies.

Miscarriage is an accident. You support murder. It's that simple.

[Captdon]

Even for you, that deflection was lame and cowardly, not to mention creepy and control-freak like.

The point that set you running there is that the current anti-abortion revisionist position is very new historically, literally newer than the McDonalds Happy Meal. The Reagan bunch made it up because they thought it was politically useful. So, in addition to having no moral, logical or scientific backing, your position also has no historical backing.

The conservative side flipflops to whatever position brings them political power at the moment. In stark contrast, we liberals hold consistent pro-liberty ethics. We know that's one reason why conservatives hate us. Moral relativists hate moral absolutists. The pure shining light of our moral absolutism affects pro-life moral relativists in a manner much like sunlight burning a vampire, so they lash out at the source of their pain.

You never make any sense and you're streak is unbroken. Anti-abortionists have never changed our views. it's murder. That's all of it.

You are the ones who believe morality is relative. Learn what your side believes.

Liberals have no moral base.

[Dr. Who]

Miscarriage is an accident. You support murder. It's that simple.

Medical journals refer to them as spontaneous abortions when they occur within the first 20 weeks. That doesn't mean accident. When the body doesn't want to continue continue a pregnancy, it is terminated on purpose, often due to chromosomal abnormalities in the fertilized egg or because the implantation of the egg in the uterus is flawed or the embryo has structural defects. Often in the case of chromosomal abnormalities, the egg doesn't even develop at all or only for a short time, but the placenta and gestational sac do, and because they secrete hormones they produce a positive pregnancy test and early pregnancy symptoms.

However, it can also be rejected because the body determines that it has a resource issue and prioritizes the mother or because the mother has abnormalities in the uterus, or there is something affecting her hormones, which could be anything from chronic disease to environmental factors. It is estimated that at least 20% of all pregnancies fail within the first trimester, generally before 12 weeks. It is suspected that the number is likely much higher as many are lost before the mother even suspects that she is pregnant.