The roots of abortion ideology go back to this dehumanizing 17th century philosophy

[Chris]

Medical journals refer to them as spontaneous abortions when they occur within the first 20 weeks. That doesn't mean accident. When the body doesn't want to continue continue a pregnancy, it is terminated on purpose, often due to chromosomal abnormalities in the fertilized egg or because the implantation of the egg in the uterus is flawed or the embryo has structural defects. Often in the case of chromosomal abnormalities, the egg doesn't even develop at all or only for a short time, but the placenta and gestational sac do, and because they secrete hormones they produce a positive pregnancy test and early pregnancy symptoms.

However, it can also be rejected because the body determines that it has a resource issue and prioritizes the mother or because the mother has abnormalities in the uterus, or there is something affecting her hormones, which could be anything from chronic disease to environmental factors. It is estimated that at least 20% of all pregnancies fail within the first trimester, generally before 12 weeks. It is suspected that the number is likely much higher as many are lost before the mother even suspects that she is pregnant.

It sure doesn't mean on purpose.

[Mister D]

Medical journals refer to them as spontaneous abortions when they occur within the first 20 weeks. That doesn't mean accident. When the body doesn't want to continue continue a pregnancy, it is terminated on purpose, often due to chromosomal abnormalities in the fertilized egg or because the implantation of the egg in the uterus is flawed or the embryo has structural defects. Often in the case of chromosomal abnormalities, the egg doesn't even develop at all or only for a short time, but the placenta and gestational sac do, and because they secrete hormones they produce a positive pregnancy test and early pregnancy symptoms.

However, it can also be rejected because the body determines that it has a resource issue and prioritizes the mother or because the mother has abnormalities in the uterus, or there is something affecting her hormones, which could be anything from chronic disease to environmental factors. It is estimated that at least 20% of all pregnancies fail within the first trimester, generally before 12 weeks. It is suspected that the number is likely much higher as many are lost before the mother even suspects that she is pregnant.

I'm sorry, but this is truly ridiculous. We're talking about what people purposely will and act upon. Surely you understand that.

[Dr. Who]

It sure doesn't mean on purpose.

The body is acting as it is programmed to act. The manner in which it deals with these issues is not an accident, it is coded in our dna. That is by definition purposeful.

[Mister D]

The body is acting as it is programmed to act. The manner in which it deals with these issues is not an accident, it is coded in our dna. That is by definition purposeful.

What is beyond our control is not willed. Glad you understand that now.

[Chris]

The body is acting as it is programmed to act. The manner in which it deals with these issues is not an accident, it is coded in our dna. That is by definition purposeful.

What is beyond our control is not willed. Glad you understand that now.

It's not as if individual cells are conceiving goals and striving toward reading them. That would be purposive. But cells don't think. Nor do plcentas or bodies.

Programmed? Who did this programming.

You also, Who, left out of your definition some important parts:

Miscarriage, also known as spontaneous abortion and pregnancy loss, is the natural death of an embryo or fetus before it is able to survive independently.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

Natural. Nature doesn't have purpose, it's not progressive.

Also…

Most affected women and family members refer to miscarriage as the loss of a baby, rather than an embryo or fetus, and healthcare providers are expected to respect and use the language that the person chooses.

[mamooth]

Where's liberty for the unborn baby?

There's no such thing. Even pro-lifers don't think zygotes are people. They just pretend they do. Nobody actually thinks such a crazy thing. Specks aren't people.

Your OP was silly, by the way. Materialism has little to do with the topic. Though I suppose I could stretch it to make it relevant.

For example, religion and irrationality is one of the things that drives pro-lifers to lie about believing specks are people, so they have an excuse to implement their authoritarian control freak agenda. As materialism opposes irrationality, materialism would therefore oppose the shockingly immoral pro-life philosophy. However, that's would be a good point for materialism.

[mamooth]

You never make any sense and you're streak is unbroken. Anti-abortionists have never changed our views. it's murder. That's all of it.

And yet history shows your side's views keep flipflopping. If Trump told you to be pro-choice, you'd instantly obey. That's how authoritarian-followers operate.

You are the ones who believe morality is relative. Learn what your side believes.

In contrast, our views don't change. Lying is wrong. Cruelty is wrong. Liberty is good.

Liberals have no moral base.

Your relative morality is inferior to our absolute morality. I know that PC-types believe that all moral systems are equally good, but we reject such PC nonsense. Your morality justifies all manner of lying, cruelty and vile behavior in the name of the GreaterGood, therefore your moral system is inferior.

[Dr. Who]

It's not as if individual cells are conceiving goals and striving toward reading them. That would be purposive. But cells don't think. Nor do plcentas or bodies.

Programmed? Who did this programming.

You also, Who, left out of your definition some important parts:



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

Natural. Nature doesn't have purpose, it's not progressive.

Also…

Are you honestly trying to suggest that DNA does not contain coded instructions?

[Chris]

There's no such thing. Even pro-lifers don't think zygotes are people. They just pretend they do. Nobody actually thinks such a crazy thing. Specks aren't people.

Your OP was silly, by the way. Materialism has little to do with the topic. Though I suppose I could stretch it to make it relevant.

For example, religion and irrationality is one of the things that drives pro-lifers to lie about believing specks are people, so they have an excuse to implement their authoritarian control freak agenda. As materialism opposes irrationality, materialism would therefore oppose the shockingly immoral pro-life philosophy. However, that's would be a good point for materialism.

According to medical science and biology a human zygote is just a stage of development in a living human being.

It was Dr. Who who compare a fetus to paying for a sapling but getting an acorn. Not only materialistic but an economic view of the value of life.

I'm an atheist. Enough with the stupid strawmen you argue.

[Chris]

Are you honestly trying to suggest that DNA does not contain coded instructions?

It's a useful metaphor, Who. I asked you if otherwise who programmed DNA? Huh? You skirted that question.