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    Post How Science is Used as Propaganda

    A new study says you can’t trust most studies. https://www.yahoo.com/news/beware-th...164336076.html Well, that is one way to make sure your study is believed… If the study is wrong, it proves the study is right! It’s like when someone tells you they are a liar… should you believe them. The fact is that a lot of people pass of as "settled science" their interpretation of whatever tests they do, whatever analysis they do, etc. There's a lot of subjectivity that goes into it.

    A lot of us, knowing this, are suspicious that the conclusions reached on climate change have been manipulated for political agendas.

    https://www.thedailybell.com/all-art...as-propaganda/


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    rock still...no wind
    rock swing...wind
    rock wet...rain
    rock dry...no rain
    rock white...snow
    rock hot...hot
    now, that's settled science
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    In my business, I hire experts all the time. The lawyers compete to get experts. They can all look at the same thing and see something different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    A new study says you can’t trust most studies. https://www.yahoo.com/news/beware-th...164336076.html Well, that is one way to make sure your study is believed… If the study is wrong, it proves the study is right! It’s like when someone tells you they are a liar… should you believe them. The fact is that a lot of people pass of as "settled science" their interpretation of whatever tests they do, whatever analysis they do, etc. There's a lot of subjectivity that goes into it.

    A lot of us, knowing this, are suspicious that the conclusions reached on climate change have been manipulated for political agendas.

    https://www.thedailybell.com/all-art...as-propaganda/


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    Or has I've put it for years now: "Studies show, that studies show, pretty much what the people funding the study want them to."
    Research methods evaluation should be taught in HS

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    SCOTUS has tried to rein this in, at least in court evidentiary-wise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daubert_standard
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    Too few know how science works.

    If someone proclaims consensus, he's probably not a scientist, just a politician.

    If a someone claims he's proved something, he missed the boat on falsification.

    If someone does explain his methods in a repeatable way, he doesn't even have proof.

    If someone doesn't explain the statistical significance of findings, he's overgeneralizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    In my business, I hire experts all the time. The lawyers compete to get experts. They can all look at the same thing and see something different.
    They see whatever they are paid to see!

    I am an expert on detecting RWNJ's. I see nut jobs, others see patriots. But no one has to pay me to say this, so my word rings with the truth!I am impartial!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    In my business, I hire experts all the time. The lawyers compete to get experts. They can all look at the same thing and see something different.
    In court, the criteria can't really be scientific, too few understand that. So it's reputation, believability, coherent story, understandable explanations. Perhaps courts have criteria but f I was on a jury, that's what I'd look for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
    They see whatever they are paid to see!

    I am an expert on detecting RWNJ's. I see nut jobs, others see patriots. But no one has to pay me to say this, so my word rings with the truth!I am impartial!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    A new study says you can’t trust most studies. https://www.yahoo.com/news/beware-th...164336076.html Well, that is one way to make sure your study is believed… If the study is wrong, it proves the study is right! It’s like when someone tells you they are a liar… should you believe them. The fact is that a lot of people pass of as "settled science" their interpretation of whatever tests they do, whatever analysis they do, etc. There's a lot of subjectivity that goes into it.

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    https://www.thedailybell.com/all-art...as-propaganda/


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    You've just quoted a science denying rwnj propaganda rag as a source on science.

    Your descent into rwnj hackery is now complete.

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