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    The Western World’s Most Depressing Chart

    It's unsustainable.

    The Western World’s Most Depressing Chart

    ...There’s a website called Our World in Data, which is a great resource if you’re a policy wonk who likes numbers. But some numbers are quite depressing.

    For instance, if you peruse the “Public Spending” page, you’ll find a chart showing the dramatic expansion of redistribution spending as a share of economic output.



    ...While the above chart is depressing to a libertarian, it’s nonetheless instructive because it confirms my argument that the Western world became rich when governments were very small and redistribution was tiny or even nonexistent.

    For instance, nations in North America and Western Europe largely made the transition from agricultural poverty to middle-class prosperity during the “golden century” between the Napoleonic wars and World War I. That was a period when redistribution spending basically didn’t exist, and most nations didn’t even have income taxes (the U.S. didn’t make that mistake until 1913).

    Even as recently as 1960, welfare states were very small compared to their current size. Indeed, redistribution spending in Western nations averaged only about 10 percent of economic output, about half the size of today’s supposedly miserly American welfare state.

    These points are important because some folks on the left misinterpret Wagner’s Law and actually try to argue that bigger government is good for growth....
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    This is Socialism as a slow walk.. It wont end well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    This is Socialism as a slow walk.. It wont end well

    It's the neo-socialism of Robert Reich who explained, The Answer Isn’t Socialism; It’s Capitalism that Better Spreads the Benefits of the Productivity Revolution. That has been true ever since the fall of communism in Russia and the socialist conceded the economic calculation problem.

    It's also the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned about as a result of getting mixed up in foreign affairs that Washington warned about in his farewell.
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    Interesting chart. Reminds me of my blood pressure after Obama took office.

    The Great Depression of the 1930's was not unique to the US or North America, but an unfortunate phenomenon throughout Western societies, all apparently having pretty much the same response.

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    The social spending as a problem is becoming apparently to many Western nations as they see the numbers of their elderly spike and the numbers of their workers (productive) decline.
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    Social spending begs for abuse. Big problem.

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    Yet, let's import more dependents?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    This is Socialism as a slow walk.. It wont end well
    Socialism would have no foothold if capitalism had not been corrupted into a non price competitive megacorp owning government hybrid. In short capitalism failed because it failed to remain capitalism.

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