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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Onee must pay attention to context. he lied. I called him on it. He lied again.

    "It Was as a tax. That doesn't mean it was constitutional. Either purchase a product or pay a tax."

    What should someone reasonable do?
    You aren't reasonable. I agree with you when you are. You aren't on this. Therein lies the rub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Until the dummies on the right re-defined it. Look to your right not to your left. You have to turn your head for this manouver.
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    If you were mislead? That's not possible so don't deflect. God, you're having a really bad day.
    Stop it. He’s dug in now and it will only get worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Again you lie. Why do you do it?

    Perhaps the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will attain the enduring status of the Social Security Act or the Taft-Hartley Act; perhaps not. But this Court’s two decisions on the Act will surely be remembered through the years. The somersaults of statutory interpretation they have performed (“penalty” means tax, “further [Medicaid] payments to the State” means only incremental Medicaid payments to the State, “established by the State” means not established by the State) will be cited by litigants endlessly, to the confusion of honest jurisprudence. And the cases will publish forever the discouraging truth that the Supreme Court of the United States favors some laws over others, and is prepared to do whatever it takes to uphold and assist its favorites.
    I dissent.

    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/576/14-114/
    Once Trump destroys it piece by piece no one will remember it at all. It will be forgotten in less tha a generation. With the mandate removed you hear little about it today. When it goes away it will be forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    You are not required to have insurance to obtain a drivers license or purchase a car. Plus, driving an automobile on the open streets or hiway is not a right. It's a privelidge.

    Now, if they created a law which says one can not obtain a drivers license until they got auto insurance, one would have a valid complaint.

    besides, one is not required to have auto insurance. One is required to have adaquate coverage in the event of an accident. You can secure a bond or self insure if you have the financial means to do so.


    Also there are several alternatives available for auto insurance on the free market. That wasn't the case with the ACA. Government was ordering you to purchase health care insurance from a specific company. You did not have free market choices.

    Jesus, you want to play word games. What I said was clear enough.

    Okay, the government did not require you to buy health insurance from a particular company. That is not true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Jesus, you want to play word games. What I said was clear enough.

    Okay, the government did not require you to buy health insurance from a particular company. That is not true.
    You had limited options. Very limited. It certainly wasn’t a free market situation as it is with auto insurance.

    Also, where was I playing word games? Please, don’t be like MV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    You had limited options. Very limited. It certainly wasn’t a free market situation as it is with auto insurance.

    Also, where was I playing word games? Please, don’t be like MV.
    It certainly was under the law. That a number of companies left the system is on them. I'm not going to lie about the Dems anymore than the Reps. The free market had a lot of companies make a choice and they did. Here in SC we have two choices- Blue Cross and one of their subsidiaries.
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    Don't be a fool. ACA is not the point. Kavanaugh's willingness to rewrite statutes is. He cannot be trusted. I see you want another Kennedy. Or another Roberts. Why? We can have a Constitutional Conservative if we insist on it.
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    Don't tell me what I want. You want someone we have never had by your lights. Some of your lights are burned out. Try learning. You aren't the only one haer who can tread and comprehend.
    We had a Thomas and a Scalia. President Trump can choose a Constitutional Conservative who has not trashed the Constitution.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    When it was being debated, the Republicans portrayed it as the largest tax increase in American history. The Democrats said no, it’s a penalty. When it went to the Supreme Court the Democrats changed course and said it was a tax and not a fee or penalty.

    In the end the minority did address the tax vs penalty aspect, but their objection was government forcing the citizens to purchase a specific product.
    What did the law call it? This is very simple. Don't screw it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Clearly you are confused over Kavanaughs Dissent.

    Kavanaugh was equally critical of the individual mandate under the weak Taxing Clause argument advanced by the government and catastrophically accepted by the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh explained that “no court to reach the merits has accepted the Government’s Taxing clause argument,” thereby showing his agreement with all the courts of appeals that correctly found the mandate unsustainable under that clause.


    The Taxing Clause, he continued, “has not traditionally authorized a legal prohibition or mandate,” which Obamacare plainly contained. Contrary to Jacobs’ revisionist history, Kavanaugh’s Taxing Clause discussion is thus the opposite of a roadmap to upholding the statute under the Taxing Clause, as the Supreme Court ultimately did in its indefensible decision. Rather, Kavanaugh’s dismissal of the Taxing Clause argument is a roadmap to the conclusion reached by the dissenters—that the individual mandate is unconstitutional under the Taxing Clause.



    To be sure, Kavanaugh suggested that a different statute without a mandate might pass muster under the Taxing Clause. But a statute without the mandate would not be Obamacare; it would be an entirely different law. Kavanaugh’s hypothetical discussion of a different statute without a mandate could not be a roadmap to upholding the statute with the mandate that was actually before the court.


    A final point: Kavanaugh explained that waiting to resolve the challenge to Obamacare was not only required by law, but also the wise and judicially restrained course. There might never be a need to address the constitutionality of the mandate, he explained, because a future president (after the 2012 election) might choose not to enforce it. That suggestion triggered a furious response from liberal commentator Jeffrey Toobin in The New Yorker.


    Moreover, Kavanaugh warned that rushing to resolve the constitutionality of Obamacare in 2012, rather than respecting the statutory limitations on the court’s authority, could result in an error in judgment. Kavanaugh was right.....snip~



    http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/03/...nted-unlawful/

    Quit listening to those few Never Trumpers…..they are nothing more than patsies for the Left.
    Your pre-canned talking points are wonderful. They do not undo the clear intention by Kavanaugh to turn a penalty in the written law into an unwritten tax. I understand you want to believe. Go ahead. But one day Kavanaugh will do as Roberts did and destroy the Constitution. Just as Roberts did.

    The truth, however, is the truth. Why do you deny it?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    It’s impissible to engage in a discusion with that dude. I’m going be forced to just ignore the ignorameous.
    I love that someone who is a dullard under pressure is calling me names implying some intellectual shortcomings.

    Good job.
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