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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Clearly they were concerned about government mandating that someone is required by law to purchase a particular product.
    Which as one can see Kavanaugh agreed with. Unconstitutional. Separations of Powers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    It was a tax.
    I thought congress said it was not a tax- they were afraid it would not pass if they called it a tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Whether you call it a tax or a penalty is immaterial. That is not what should have made the ACA declared unconstitutional. It was unconstitutional because the federal government was mandating that you purchase a product or face the imposition of a tax or penalty. That is overstepping their authority.

    The late great Justice Scalia said the same thing.

    That is the truth.
    It is material. If it was a penalty, the Court would look to the Commerce Clause- which it did, and said the Commerce Clause does not allow the Feds to force a penalty on citizens for not buying something.

    If it was a tax the Court looked to the Government's taxing powers. Which I think ought to relate to only things that fall under Article 1, section 8, US Constitution. So it should have failed.

    Roberts fell on his sword on the second point to get a win on the first point. The Commerce Clause is slowly being returned to its original intent from which it deviated around 1936.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Democrats should vote for him. He will be another Kennedy or Roberts. Republicans should reject him.
    Roberts is a far cry from Kennedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    MV is no Ronald Reagan.

    Whats really odd about MV’s position is that the left is hyperventilating over Kavanaugh’s demonstrated hostility to the ACA. MV claims the exact opposite about the guy.
    The difference between us is, I documented my concerns. You simply defaulted to lying.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Roberts is a far cry from Kennedy.
    Not on the important issues. Roberts rewrote a law on the bench. kavanaugh was doing the same dance with the same law. If you don't mind settling for second best then Kavanaugh or Roberts or Kennedy is your guy. We can do better and we should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    It is material. If it was a penalty, the Court would look to the Commerce Clause- which it did, and said the Commerce Clause does not allow the Feds to force a penalty on citizens for not buying something.

    If it was a tax the Court looked to the Government's taxing powers. Which I think ought to relate to only things that fall under Article 1, section 8, US Constitution. So it should have failed.

    Roberts fell on his sword on the second point to get a win on the first point. The Commerce Clause is slowly being returned to its original intent from which it deviated around 1936.
    The critical issue is Roberts (and Kavanaugh's) willingness to play fast and loose with the Constitution when the need for defense was critical. Neither can be trusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I thought congress said it was not a tax- they were afraid it would not pass if they called it a tax.
    The law as written, passed and signed said it was a penalty.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The difference between us is, I documented my concerns. You simply defaulted to lying.
    Im not sure what your problem is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Ronald Reagan had a good quote on this matter. (I can only paraphrase: But it went something like this):

    If a person agrees with you 80 percent of the time, he should be considered an 80 percent friend--not a 20 percent enemy.
    When one is 20% enemy on the Constitution one has a Kennedy or a Roberts. Is that what we elected President Trump to give us?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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