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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    They didn’t oppose the ACA because of a tax or fee. They opposed it because government has no business ordering you to purchase a particular product.

    Scalia used the example of government requiring one to buy broccoli.

    If participation in the ACA had been made voluntary, no one would have had an issue with it.
    Again you lie. Why do you do it?

    Perhaps the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will attain the enduring status of the Social Security Act or the Taft-Hartley Act; perhaps not. But this Court’s two decisions on the Act will surely be remembered through the years. The somersaults of statutory interpretation they have performed (“penalty” means tax, “further [Medicaid] payments to the State” means only incremental Medicaid payments to the State, “established by the State” means not established by the State) will be cited by litigants endlessly, to the confusion of honest jurisprudence. And the cases will publish forever the discouraging truth that the Supreme Court of the United States favors some laws over others, and is prepared to do whatever it takes to uphold and assist its favorites.
    I dissent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Don't be a fool. ACA is not the point. Kavanaugh's willingness to rewrite statutes is. He cannot be trusted. I see you want another Kennedy. Or another Roberts. Why? We can have a Constitutional Conservative if we insist on it.
    Don't tell me what I want. You want someone we have never had by your lights. Some of your lights are burned out. Try learning. You aren't the only one haer who can tread and comprehend.
    Last edited by Captdon; 07-11-2018 at 05:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I thought congress said it was not a tax- they were afraid it would not pass if they called it a tax.
    They did. It was the republicans who said it was from the first federal court all the way to the Supreme court. Kavanaugh and Roberts took them at their word. The Republicans screwed the pooch.

    One here says it was Kavanaugh who gave the idea to Roberts. It was the Republicans who gave the idea to everyone. In fact, it wasn't a tax. It was a penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    They didn’t oppose the ACA because of a tax or fee. They opposed it because government has no business ordering you to purchase a particular product.

    Scalia used the example of government requiring one to buy broccoli.

    If participation in the ACA had been made voluntary, no one would have had an issue with it.
    Oh, right. I still don't see how a government can require you to buy a product. Car insurance is for car owners for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I guess we'll see what ultimately transpires. If what you say holds true, then it'll be a done deal; if not then we'll find out either way.
    The worst that can happen is to wait until Jan 3 when the new congress takes power. The Republicans are likely to have 55 seats minimum. Then, Collins, Mukerksy(?) and Paul won't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I agree with Manchin who's a DINO; the other three I'm not so sure about. Roe Vs. Wade is a very touchy subject for many people, especially women. It would appear from what I'm hearing that McCaskill is more or less out of the running for her seat so she has nothing to lose if she votes against Kavanaugh's nomination. The other two, if they vote for his nomination, they'll have to live that for the rest of their careers (if they still have one), but you never know, you might be right on the other hand. Either way we'll find out one way or another.

    Live with it for the rest of their careers? They don't care about it at all. They will shrug it off.
    "The first duty of any politician is to get re-elected." I don't know who said but it's true. No one is going to vote against this pick ahead of being re-elected. Manchin has already said he will take it to town hall meetings. you know how that will go. Heitkamp doesn't intend to die politically for Chuckie boy. Donnelly doesn't intend to commit political suicide.
    Last edited by Captdon; 07-11-2018 at 05:34 PM. Reason: grammar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Oh, right. I still don't see how a government can require you to buy a product. Car insurance is for car owners for example.

    You are not required to have insurance to obtain a drivers license or purchase a car. Plus, driving an automobile on the open streets or hiway is not a right. It's a privelidge.

    Now, if they created a law which says one can not obtain a drivers license until they got auto insurance, one would have a valid complaint.

    besides, one is not required to have auto insurance. One is required to have adaquate coverage in the event of an accident. You can secure a bond or self insure if you have the financial means to do so.


    Also there are several alternatives available for auto insurance on the free market. That wasn't the case with the ACA. Government was ordering you to purchase health care insurance from a specific company. You did not have free market choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The law as written, passed and signed said it was a penalty.
    Until the dummies on the right re-defined it. Look to your right not to your left. You have to turn your head for this manouver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    If I was misled it was by Kavanaugh. There are transcripts of his ten-minute harangue where he twisted penalties into taxes. They were his repeated words. Kavanaugh cannot be trusted. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

    Whoever you are quoting is lying to you.
    If you were mislead? That's not possible so don't deflect. God, you're having a really bad day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    If I was wrong, and I am not, you should be able to easily document that Scalia said something other than he did or that Kavanaugh did not argue with the attorney over a penalty being a tax. But you cannot because I am right. I posted Scalia's dissent and a link to it. I described what Kavanaugh argued.

    But you are inclined to accept the second stringer.
    Scalia didn't win. His argument did not matter except to you. He was not always right. I just committed a mortal sin just now but Scalia wasn't God and his dissent isn't the gospel.
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