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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    As institutions, police forces have earned the ire of Americans. But instead of changing their ways, police forces are stubbornly digging in and resisting even the most modest and reasonable of reforms. In this way, police forces more resemble an occupying force than anything.
    Do you ever take the side of right instead of wrong. What the hell happened to you that made you so goofy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    That video is pretty mild on the police side of things. Yes, those people are causing trouble and need to be dealt with. However, there is a HUGE problem with our police forces. They are paid thugs and they do NOT serve you and you pay for that. They are not hired for their intelligence or problem solving skills and escalation over de-escalation is favored in their "training". Every "problem cop" that has a suit against them never pays for damages they have caused out of their own pockets. No, you pay for that as well. The police Unions encourage corrupt behaviour.
    The good cop, bad cop, not all cops argument has long since been a non-argument for me. All cops are in a very corrupt organization and the only ones that are good are the ones that see it and leave voluntarily.

    Here's something I saved written by someone else and I agree wholeheartedly with their assessment. :


    Brandon RaccaDear policeman:

    You're not a peace officer. Your job is not Law Enforcement. Those are euphemisms. You don't keep the peace. You routinely initiate conflicts where, otherwise, no conflict would have been. You are an agent by which your employer uses violence to enforce a monopoly on law de facto. The vast majority of the disputes that you initiate on behalf of your employer are also adjudicated by your employer, where the plaintiff, the judge, the antagonist (that's you) and the only witness (also you), all represent the same party, and, since no corpus de lecti can be produced, probably (depends on which state you're in) doesn't technically qualify to be heard according to its own "laws". Your employer is indistinguishable from a criminal cartel.

    You do not serve us. When the matter of whether or not you have a duty to protect the subjects of your employer has been brought before one of your employer's courts, your employer has decided that you do not. But, when you are charged with the task of using deadly force to apprehend a person who has incurred no liability for damages to anyone, you are obligated to obey.

    Everything I've written, here, is literally true. I understand that you can't believe that, but, once you strip away all the obfuscation and rationalizations, nothing else remains.

    So, you see, even if you always do your job, as you believe it to be, to what you believe to be the best of your ability, you cannot be a good cop. There is no such thing as a good cop because what cops do is, by necessity of its nature, bad.


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    Lecture to the homo sapien who very nearly destroyed the country:

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    There is a reason they call them 'beat cops'. They like to beat people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    That video is pretty mild on the police side of things. Yes, those people are causing trouble and need to be dealt with. However, there is a HUGE problem with our police forces. They are paid thugs and they do NOT serve you and you pay for that. They are not hired for their intelligence or problem solving skills and escalation over de-escalation is favored in their "training". Every "problem cop" that has a suit against them never pays for damages they have caused out of their own pockets. No, you pay for that as well. The police Unions encourage corrupt behaviour.
    The good cop, bad cop, not all cops argument has long since been a non-argument for me. All cops are in a very corrupt organization and the only ones that are good are the ones that see it and leave voluntarily.

    Here's something I saved written by someone else and I agree wholeheartedly with their assessment. :


    Brandon RaccaDear policeman:

    You're not a peace officer. Your job is not Law Enforcement. Those are euphemisms. You don't keep the peace. You routinely initiate conflicts where, otherwise, no conflict would have been. You are an agent by which your employer uses violence to enforce a monopoly on law de facto. The vast majority of the disputes that you initiate on behalf of your employer are also adjudicated by your employer, where the plaintiff, the judge, the antagonist (that's you) and the only witness (also you), all represent the same party, and, since no corpus de lecti can be produced, probably (depends on which state you're in) doesn't technically qualify to be heard according to its own "laws". Your employer is indistinguishable from a criminal cartel.

    You do not serve us. When the matter of whether or not you have a duty to protect the subjects of your employer has been brought before one of your employer's courts, your employer has decided that you do not. But, when you are charged with the task of using deadly force to apprehend a person who has incurred no liability for damages to anyone, you are obligated to obey.

    Everything I've written, here, is literally true. I understand that you can't believe that, but, once you strip away all the obfuscation and rationalizations, nothing else remains.

    So, you see, even if you always do your job, as you believe it to be, to what you believe to be the best of your ability, you cannot be a good cop. There is no such thing as a good cop because what cops do is, by necessity of its nature, bad.

    Bull$#@!. That's the best response to a liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Bull$#@!. That's the best response to a liberal.
    And if you were addressing a liberal, I would agree. Most of them can't be reasoned with. However, since I am not a liberal, how about trying to poke holes in what I presented and give me a reasoned response detailing where I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    No can do. I hold myself to a higher standard than that.
    Well, aren't you special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    And if you were addressing a liberal, I would agree. Most of them can't be reasoned with. However, since I am not a liberal, how about trying to poke holes in what I presented and give me a reasoned response detailing where I'm wrong.
    You whole rant is wrong. Very few cops are anything like you describe. Cops are bad by their very nature? Sharpton would love you. Yea, this is exactly what a liberal would say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    As institutions, police forces have earned the ire of Americans. But instead of changing their ways, police forces are stubbornly digging in and resisting even the most modest and reasonable of reforms. In this way, police forces more resemble an occupying force than anything.
    Sometimes all you can do is shake your head.

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