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    What is justice? What does the often used phrase "He's paid his debt to society." really mean?

    Research shows... research shows or points to a lot of things, depending on the desired outcome.

    I believe the death penalty is necessary.

    I also believe the system is dirty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Yes, it is. Revenge isn’t justice.
    I'll admit that revenge is a part of it. But that isn't all of it. Only a small amount of people feel truly vengeful in any given situation.

    While vengeful feelings are understandable; there are additional reasons for extremes in punishment. Basic concept of 'actions and consequences' covers it. Crime warrants punishment, elevated crimes warrant elevated punishment up to and including death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODB View Post
    I'll admit that revenge is a part of it. But that isn't all of it. Only a small amount of people feel truly vengeful in any given situation.

    While vengeful feelings are understandable; there are additional reasons for extremes in punishment. Basic concept of 'actions and consequences' covers it. Crime warrants punishment, elevated crimes warrant elevated punishment up to and including death.
    Revenge is not an element of justice. Crime does warrant punishment, not revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Revenge is not an element of justice. Crime does warrant punishment, not revenge.
    You can't invalidate someone's feelings of revenge. They're allowed to have them. The balance is that while revenge is there, justice requires multiple people to come together and determine the appropriate level of punishment. Generally, those people don't include those closest to the crime - justifiably so (it goes along with your point).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Revenge is not an element of justice. Crime does warrant punishment, not revenge.
    If there is no vengeance then the people must restore their control over justice.

    One might coin a phrase. No justice. No peace.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Yes, it is. Revenge isn’t justice.

    Sure it is. Kill and be killed is justice.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
    Pick your enemies carefully.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Sure it is. Kill and be killed is justice.
    No. it’s revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODB View Post
    You can't invalidate someone's feelings of revenge. They're allowed to have them. The balance is that while revenge is there, justice requires multiple people to come together and determine the appropriate level of punishment. Generally, those people don't include those closest to the crime - justifiably so (it goes along with your point).

    I don’t believe the death penalty is something a civilized society should impose. There’s nothing you can say which will change my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I don’t believe the death penalty is something a civilized society should impose. There’s nothing you can say which will change my mind.
    I don't doubt you.

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