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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
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    But he's useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I can see some universal, absolute morality being applied in various practical ways. That murder, say, is morally wrong is, I believe, universally, absolutely true. But each cultural time and place implement different practices to deal with it.....
    Open words to C.S. Lewis & The Abolition of “Progress”, which I just happened upon:

    C.S. Lewis believed that immutable and timeless universal principles governed all persons throughout time and space. Though these principles would find manifestations particular to era, culture, and individual, the rules remained eternal. Additionally, these natural laws would always and everywhere be “self-evident.” Men might choose to ignore, distort, or mock them, but they could not attenuate the laws themselves…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Not today, not tomorrow and not ever. I can't see morality having anything to do with practicality. Morality is morality practical or not.
    So, if a drunk driver honestly believes he's not doing any harm, then your standard says he's innocent and should be left alone, right?

    After all, he has no bad intent. And since you say practicality is unrelated to morality, then the practical results of his behavior are not an issue. If the practical results are that he hurts someone, not a problem. You say it doesn't affect the morality at all.

    Society strongly disagrees with your "practicality is unrelated to morality" belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    So, if a drunk driver honestly believes he's not doing any harm, then your standard says he's innocent and should be left alone, right?

    After all, he has no bad intent. And since you say practicality is unrelated to morality, then the practical results of his behavior are not an issue. If the practical results are that he hurts someone, not a problem. You say it doesn't affect the morality at all.

    Society strongly disagrees with your "practicality is unrelated to morality" belief.
    1. I know and practice morality.

    2, You don't have a clue what any of us is talking about.

    3. You are an embarrassment.

    4. We are just toying with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    1. I know and practice morality.
    Apparently not, being your philosophy says that drunk driving isn't a moral wrong.

    Society disagrees with you. Is society wrong?

    2, You don't have a clue what any of us is talking about.
    You're clearly afraid to face me in honest discussion, and everyone sees it. That's why you're running now, and trying to cover your tear-streaked retreat with insults.

    So, what other things that society has judged to be moral wrongs do you endorse? Does everyone around you know you feel that way?

    Intelligent and moral people know that practicality is part of morality. It's not just intent that matters. Practical real world results matter just as much. Both have to be considered in morality. The careless are judged to be immoral if their carelessness results in practical harm, even if they had no bad intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth
    ...You're clearly afraid to face me in honest discussion, and everyone sees it. That's why you're running now....

    You, mamooth, made two claims: "...Conservatives are more feelings-based, and liberals are more reason-based...." And "...The basis of liberal morality is liberty and practicality...."

    You've been asked, as a supposedly reasonable liberal, to explain and argue your point.

    You have not.

    Now you repeat part of your claim:

    Intelligent and moral people know that practicality is part of morality.
    Yet the question here is what are the roots of morality. As you said, "...The basis of liberal morality is liberty and practicality...." Can you explain how practicality is the root or basis of morality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You, mamooth, made two claims: "...Conservatives are more feelings-based, and liberals are more reason-based...." And "...The basis of liberal morality is liberty and practicality...."
    And I've backed up both, causing you to scream and run repeatedly. You lying doesn't change that. People can read the thrread. They know you're lying and running.

    Let me know if you ever want to address my points, instead of crying at me to evade them. But then, I guess you have to stick with what you're good at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    And I've backed up both, causing you to scream and run repeatedly. You lying doesn't change that. People can read the thrread. They know you're lying and running.

    Let me know if you ever want to address my points, instead of crying at me to evade them. But then, I guess you have to stick with what you're good at.

    That's real funny.

    Now where did you, as a supposedly reasonable liberal, explain and argue your point?

    I did address that point, I pointed out that liberty is an ends and practicality a means but you were asked what is the root of liberal morality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Apparently not, being your philosophy says that drunk driving isn't a moral wrong.

    Society disagrees with you. Is society wrong?



    You're clearly afraid to face me in honest discussion, and everyone sees it. That's why you're running now, and trying to cover your tear-streaked retreat with insults.

    So, what other things that society has judged to be moral wrongs do you endorse? Does everyone around you know you feel that way?

    Intelligent and moral people know that practicality is part of morality. It's not just intent that matters. Practical real world results matter just as much. Both have to be considered in morality. The careless are judged to be immoral if their carelessness results in practical harm, even if they had no bad intent.

    You said a drunk driver isn't a morality case. i didn't say it. It's right there in your post. I face you all the time. It isn't fair of me. You are not a worthy opponent.

    Practicality is a solution to a problem It does not determine that there is a problem. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm an adult and you are not. Learn the difference between morality and practicality Then get back to me. Don't respond if you don't know anything.
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