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    The topic is not Christianity but the roots of liberal morality.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    Would a Christian do as she did? That was an act of pure evil........
    Rotten people are where you find them. Conversely, a good Christian would probably make a good humanist, but the best a humanist could do is be a good apostate. IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That where I have trouble, was he an individualist, or was he reacting against individualism?
    This emphasis on personal feeling would suggest the former, no?
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    No, you have a choice to believe or not. there are rules to everything. I get mad at God from time to time, but it doesn't alter my faith.
    You'd rather believe in Humanism. Humanism has no rules. It is a "self" religion which allows you to act or do as YOU wish, and mostly without fear of consequence.
    I do not deride your "faith", do not presume to deride mine. It is a choice, not force.
    And you can only get to God through Christ. There is no other way. All you have to do is accept Him as the Savior of your soul, and try to protect that the best ways possible.

    That is why I don't "hate" foolish people. It allows me to see what is "dangerous" to me, and judge those things which can do me harm. It also allows me to forgive my enemies, as I forgive you and your kind. You guys are the true haters, not me, and yet I still forgive you. I ignore words like racist, hater, misogynist.... because they don't apply to me.
    ...but it doesn't say I have to trust those who are untrustworthy, love those who are unlovable or don't want to be loved. I handle those with extreme caution, like a rattlesnake, or a wild bear. I don't hate them, I don't trust them.
    Terms like spaghetti god, tooth fairy have no affect on me and they are used to try to do spiritual damage, just like you tried to do here.
    I'd rather believe in God than have no faith in anything, like Humanists do.
    Humanists believe in men, and they have very poor pickings, IMO.
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    this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about...
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/26593f8...t-married.html
    true Humanism in action
    I don't hate ignorant people neither.

    I laugh of the example. That is humanism? Seriously. You don't know a $#@!.

    And, so you're at the same level as Al-Qaeda in your religious belief. If your Christianity that has been remodeled to adapt to that humanism that you don't like would be in the same level as your Al-Qaeda counterpart.

    And why God is only through Christ? Why is your religion better than Shintoism, Hinduism or any other one. Are they unfaithful who won't never get to god, only through Christ? Seriously? Don't you realise how ridiculous and fanatic you sound.

    More, you need someone else to tell you what is good or not. You're unable to decide what is good by yourself. You show with this post that you cannot think by yourself, aka, critical thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The topic is not Christianity but the roots of liberal morality.
    Leviticus isn't for Christians anyway. His was a litany of stupid questions.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    All I'm saying is your post was based on feelings rather than reason.

    Careful, classical liberalism is based on reason, modern Rousseauian feelings.

    Sure, you use reason, but the basic premises, axioms, truths, morals are based on feelings. Classical liberalism is more empirical or at least a priori reasoning, necessary truths. The way it went historically it you have premodern times where basic truths were found in customs, traditions, institutions that had developed over time in a place. Modern tidmes start with Enlightenment rejection of that for reason, and then reactions against that, rejecting reason for, in the case of Rousseau, feelings.




    That there is a standard modern liberal argument. That man is natural flawed and evil and needs contraint, self and social, is rejected for man is naturally good and society is evil. How that can be when society consists of people and their interactions, is something you or some other liberal would need to explain. But you want to change society and perfect amn so each is the emboiment of society.
    Are you so oblivious that you have the answer in your $#@!ing nose and you're not able to see it. Read again your last paragraph about the society and you will get the answer.

    Your lack of understanding of the society is impressive. Well, for some reason you're an old conservative.

    And obviously to someone as old as you I won't never change its ideas, and I won't try, so I am not going to lose a lot of time with you.
    Last edited by kilgram; 07-22-2018 at 04:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    I don't hate ignorant people neither.

    I laugh of the example. That is humanism? Seriously. You don't know a $#@!.

    And, so you're at the same level as Al-Qaeda in your religious belief. If your Christianity that has been remodeled to adapt to that humanism that you don't like would be in the same level as your Al-Qaeda counterpart.

    And why God is only through Christ? Why is your religion better than Shintoism, Hinduism or any other one. Are they unfaithful who won't never get to god, only through Christ? Seriously? Don't you realise how ridiculous and fanatic you sound.

    More, you need someone else to tell you what is good or not. You're unable to decide what is good by yourself. You show with this post that you cannot think by yourself, aka, critical thinking.
    In modern times, humanist movements are typically non-religious movements aligned with secularism, and today humanism typically refers to a nontheistic life stance centred on human agency and looking to science rather than revelation from a supernatural source to understand the world
    again, it is all about "self"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The Spaghetti Monster is fake, you know. Pastafarianism was invented as a sarcastic reaction against Intelligent Design a decade or so ago.
    Is as fake or real as Christianity.

    Who tell you that Christianity was not born as a parody that became real? Or, it was an invent to control society. Eh? Who tells you that the roots of the Christianity are the same as Spaghetti Monster.

    Spaghetti Monster can be as real as Christianity. It would depend on if the people believe on it or not. How it was originated is irrellevant.

    Religion is about faith. Faith. No reason, faith. So, if there is people having faith in the Spaghetti Monster is as valid as someone having faith in Christ.
    Last edited by kilgram; 07-22-2018 at 04:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    I don't hate ignorant people neither.

    I laugh of the example. That is humanism? Seriously. You don't know a $#@!.

    And, so you're at the same level as Al-Qaeda in your religious belief. If your Christianity that has been remodeled to adapt to that humanism that you don't like would be in the same level as your Al-Qaeda counterpart.

    And why God is only through Christ? Why is your religion better than Shintoism, Hinduism or any other one. Are they unfaithful who won't never get to god, only through Christ? Seriously? Don't you realise how ridiculous and fanatic you sound.

    More, you need someone else to tell you what is good or not. You're unable to decide what is good by yourself. You show with this post that you cannot think by yourself, aka, critical thinking.
    It's ok, God loves you, too.................
    I was taught at an early age what is good and bad. Did your parents also do the same, or did they let you run wild in the streets without guidance.
    You too have the same lesson imparted into your upbringing.
    Is it good to steal, lie, cheat, or disregard the sanctity of life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechanic View Post
    You bet it's a good thing as it keeps people like you away and makes the city safe for regular humans.
    Regular human beings don't $#@! in the streets.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
    Pick your enemies carefully.






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