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Thread: Lincoln was NOT an abolitionist, and other misunderstandings.

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    Lincoln was NOT an abolitionist, and other misunderstandings.

    Lincoln thought colonization [shipping blacks out of the US to their own Central American colony or back to Africa] could resolve the issue of slavery.

    For much of his career, Lincoln believed that colonization—or the idea that a majority of the African-American population should leave the United States and settle in Africa or Central America—was the best way to confront the problem of slavery. His two great political heroes, Henry Clay and Thomas Jefferson, had both favored colonization; both were slave owners who took issue with aspects of slavery but saw no way that blacks and whites could live together peaceably. Lincoln first publicly advocated for colonization in 1852, and in 1854 said that his first instinct would be “to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia” (the African state founded by the American Colonization Society in 1821).

    Nearly a decade later, even as he edited the draft of the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation in August of 1862, Lincoln hosted a delegation of freed slaves at the White House in the hopes of getting their support on a plan for colonization in Central America. Given the “differences” between the two races and the hostile attitudes of whites towards blacks, Lincoln argued, it would be “better for us both, therefore, to be separated.” Lincoln’s support of colonization provoked great anger among black leaders and abolitionists, who argued that African-Americans were as much natives of the country as whites, and thus deserved the same rights. After he issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln never again publicly mentioned colonization, and a mention of it in an earlier draft was deleted by the time the final proclamation was issued in January 1863. https://www.history.com/news/5-thing...d-emancipation

    “You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.” -- Abraham Lincoln to delegation of blacks, 1862. https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-...ica-1790858389

    And here is reflection on the country's terminal sickeness described as soulful redemption by the most eloquent of black speakers in his most meaningless rhetorical crap:
    “Our truly great presidents were tortured deep in their hearts by the race question,” the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. observed in New York at the centennial of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1962. “Lincoln’s torments are well known, his vacillations were facts.” But at least when it became clear that the only way to redeem the suffering of the country was to write freedom for all people, black and white, into law and, ultimately, the Constitution, Lincoln had come out on the right side of history. As King put it, “His hesitation had not stayed his hand when historic necessity charted but one course.”

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    Good find. I've seen similar to the first citation but this is first for the second.
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    Lincoln said, "If I could end this war by freeing all the slaves, I would. If I could end it by freeing some of the slaves but all, I would. if I could end this war by freeing none of the slaves, I would."

    The War wasn't about slavery for Lincoln.
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    Like Ghandi, MLK Jr has been mostly misconstrued.

    MLK Jr was the most grandiose liar that blacks, politicians and liberals could ever wish for, and he was a liar in everything he did, personal and public. Yet Congress and others who thrive on lies, innuendo, half-truths and rhetoric established a holiday in his honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Like Ghandi, MLK Jr has been mostly misconstrued.

    MLK Jr was the most grandiose liar that blacks, politicians and liberals could ever wish for, and he was a liar in everything he did, personal and public. Yet Congress and others who thrive on lies, innuendo, half-truths and rhetoric established a holiday in his honor.

    Sometimes, though, myths, like that of the great Emancipator, are necessary to believe in.
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    The right wing racists will cling to these statements as a justification for their racism!

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    They did not even want to go to a state they were given to run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Lincoln said, "If I could end this war by freeing all the slaves, I would. If I could end it by freeing some of the slaves but all, I would. if I could end this war by freeing none of the slaves, I would."

    The War wasn't about slavery for Lincoln.
    Take a good look at where the country would have been divided.



    When the South threated to cede from the Union, they would have carried 2/3 of all American seaports at the time. Big business couldn't have that. It would have increased the taxes upon shipping imports and exports to have to bring their goods into and out of those ports. Slavery was the chant, notwithstanding it was wrong, but the North, Lincoln, and big business had to have their war cry.
    As most wars go, it was also over real estate.
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    Wait for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    Take a good look at where the country would have been divided.



    When the South threated to cede from the Union, they would have carried 2/3 of all American seaports at the time. Big business couldn't have that. It would have increased the taxes upon shipping imports and exports to have to bring their goods into and out of those ports. Slavery was the chant, notwithstanding it was wrong, but the North, Lincoln, and big business had to have their war cry.
    As most wars go, it was also over real estate.
    Lincoln and the North fought to protect the Union.

    The south fought to protect slavery.

    How would the Baltimore, New York and Boston harbors have been effected by the south succeeding?

    You logic fails on this. The North did not want the union to be broken. The south only had one thing they wanted- cotton. Please don't tell me the war was over cotton.
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