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    Hawaii and California's Huge Second Amendment Victory

    John Lott writes Hawaii and California's Huge Second Amendment Victory

    Tuesday’s decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals means that people in the western U.S. will now be able to openly carry a handgun in public. The decision only applies to districts under the 9th Circuit’s jurisdiction, but it will likely soon affect the rest of the country. It is a huge ruling that strikes down existing state prohibitions in Hawaii and California.

    The case involved George Young, who wanted to publicly carry a firearm in the State of Hawaii for personal self-defense. Young applied twice for a handgun permit to carry either openly or concealed, but they denied his application each time. Hawaii’s laws require demonstration of “reason to fear injury to the applicant’s person or property.” Similar rules apply to open carry. But, in fact, Hawaii refuses to acknowledge that anyone has good reason to fear for their safety and is not issuing a single permit.

    ...Even states that never (Hawaii) or virtually never (California) issue concealed handgun permits will now have to allow people to openly carry handguns in a holster.

    Gun control advocates could appeal the three 9th Circuit judges’ decision to the entire 9th Circuit (an en banc decision). The court as a whole is very liberal, and may very well reverse Tuesday’s decision. But such a ruling would definitely be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which would presumably overturn it. This would make open carry legal nationwide.

    Or gun control advocates could appeal directly to the Supreme Court, with the same result....
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    Now the affected states are going to have to change their laws. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Now the affected states are going to have to change their laws. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.
    What I understood is those states don't have to change their laws so much as abide by them and hand out CCL licenses. "Hawaii refuses to acknowledge that anyone has good reason to fear for their safety and is not issuing a single permit."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    What I understood is those states don't have to change their laws so much as abide by them and hand out CCL licenses. "Hawaii refuses to acknowledge that anyone has good reason to fear for their safety and is not issuing a single permit."
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Now the affected states are going to have to change their laws. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.
    Well, it's not a done deal. The whole ninth Circuit could overturn this and SCOTUS will have to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Well, it's not a done deal. The whole ninth Circuit could overturn this and SCOTUS will have to decide.
    Then they would have to revisit their laws then.
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