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Thread: The Decline of Traditional Conservatism and the Rise of the Postmodern Conservative

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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    You aren't describing democracy, you are describing fascism though. Specifically oppression. The spread of false information and fear to control or inhibit a group of people by manipulating the opinions of the majority. That is not democracy. The idea of democracy comes from the propagation of open and free thinking and exchange of ideas, and the consensus based upon that. If a consensus is not formed from free ideas, then it is not democracy. I am sure that it may seem like somebody deserves the "freedom" to refuse service to somebody else because of their sexual orientation, but they are in fact participating in a social cleansing mechanism. Just because it is not orchestrated by the government doesn't mean it isn't oppression. The government itself is only a central form of oversight for social organization. When somebody is trying to organize society by rejecting services to one group of people that they would otherwise provide to the another, even though the group poses no obvious risk to society, then it is oppression. It should not be tolerated. If left unchecked, entire social groups would be completely ostracized from society at large, and it would happen in the absence of any government intervention...yet, people would lose their right to the pursuit of liberty, and their fair stake in society, simply because the majority of others were duped into believing it was the right thing to do. There is a huge missing principle here that is being ignored.
    That's exactly how democracy...all democracies function. Westerners have this naive conceit that liberal regimes don't manipulate and manufacture public opinion. We're awash in propaganda day in and day out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    I didn't. Please argue on the main points instead of nitpicking about what you think fascism means or doesn't mean.
    I know what fascism means and I dislike people misusing it to attack their opponents. Please stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    It doesn't deprive them of their rights any more than it does if the baker was fined for refusing service. He made a decision. Decisions have natural consequences, right? Isn't that where we are taking this?
    Fining the baker takes away his right to choose how he works and with whom he contracts with. Being fined isn't a natural consequence, it's the consequence of legal rules invented by elites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I know what fascism means and I dislike people misusing it to attack their opponents. Please stop.
    With all due respect, you're guilty of doing just that yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    You aren't describing democracy, you are describing fascism though. Specifically oppression. The spread of false information and fear to control or inhibit a group of people by manipulating the opinions of the majority. That is not democracy. The idea of democracy comes from the propagation of open and free thinking and exchange of ideas, and the consensus based upon that. If a consensus is not formed from free ideas, then it is not democracy. I am sure that it may seem like somebody deserves the "freedom" to refuse service to somebody else because of their sexual orientation, but they are in fact participating in a social cleansing mechanism. Just because it is not orchestrated by the government doesn't mean it isn't oppression. The government itself is only a central form of oversight for social organization. When somebody is trying to organize society by rejecting services to one group of people that they would otherwise provide to the another, even though the group poses no obvious risk to society, then it is oppression. It should not be tolerated. If left unchecked, entire social groups would be completely ostracized from society at large, and it would happen in the absence of any government intervention...yet, people would lose their right to the pursuit of liberty, and their fair stake in society, simply because the majority of others were duped into believing it was the right thing to do. There is a huge missing principle here that is being ignored.
    A lot of false blather. Democracy is not about the free exchange of ideas. It's about voting. If the majority doesn't rule who does? That makes no sense.


    Why do you always presume that the majority is being duped. maybe it's you that is being duped. Why would my freedom to refuse service mean I'm being duped. You thinking I have to provide a service to you means you're being duped. Why do you think your rights are more important than mine.

    I'm one who couldm't care less about gays. Think what others think about this gibberish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    I'm saying that there would be an alliance of anti-gay cookware sellers who refuse to sell to gay bakers, and an alliance of anti-gay real estate agents who refuse to let gays buy properties to open bakeries, and alliances of anti-gay bankers who refuse to give loans to gay bakers, and anti-gay internet service providers who refuse to sell their internet services to the gay baker...all in a society where corporations are given the freedom to have monopoly control over their industries, and there is no free competition because of it.
    I'm trying to think of a word that won't get me banned. This makes no sense on any level. That's only slightly what i mean though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    We both know what hate is, I didn't see it in him or his campaign.

    He refused for the reason I gave, he opposed titles II and VII of the 1964 bill because he saw them as unconstitutional.
    There's no middle ground here.

    Okay. You saw what you saw and so did I. I disagree with you.
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