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    Could the government be sued for mismanagement?

    Lets say for example that the government starts hatching SS and Medicare in a big way. Since those funds were earmarked for retirement not general fund and since the fund was clearly mismanaged at times and people have been charged their whole life with specific expectation offered. It is in fact a retirement insurance that has become a rock solid expectation and took money that could of been invested elsewhere out of people's pockets at knifepoint.
    Can they be sued by say AARP to hold up their end of the deal?

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    No. The government can't be sued unless it allows it. Neither Social Security or Medicare is a contract with anyone.



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    I think each and every person in the US Govt should be assessed for leadership ability, ability to deduce and deduct, thinking and reasoning assessment, and a temperament assessment should be done. See how well they know things outside their regular job and expertise. Personality and ego assessment should be done.



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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Lets say for example that the government starts hatching SS and Medicare in a big way. Since those funds were earmarked for retirement not general fund and since the fund was clearly mismanaged at times and people have been charged their whole life with specific expectation offered. It is in fact a retirement insurance that has become a rock solid expectation and took money that could of been invested elsewhere out of people's pockets at knifepoint.
    Can they be sued by say AARP to hold up their end of the deal?
    The government is sovereign. When they take on a business stance they can be sued. When acting as a sovereign, you are out of luck- at least so far as lawsuits go. Think about it, if the government could be sued for sovereign actions we would need thousands of more lawyers and a lot more tax dollars to handle the lawsuits brought against the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    No. The government can't be sued unless it allows it. Neither Social Security or Medicare is a contract with anyone.



    https://www.cato.org/publications/co...ocial-security

    Past practice says it is. Plus it's our money taken from us for our retirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The government is sovereign. When they take on a business stance they can be sued. When acting as a sovereign, you are out of luck- at least so far as lawsuits go. Think about it, if the government could be sued for sovereign actions we would need thousands of more lawyers and a lot more tax dollars to handle the lawsuits brought against the government.

    Well that explains why sometimes they can be sued and sometimes they can't. Thanks. So they can steal the money I've been forced to pay all my life earmarked for my retirement and have no recourse.
    Except of course a massive AARP one issue voting campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Well that explains why sometimes they can be sued and sometimes they can't. Thanks. So they can steal the money I've been forced to pay all my life earmarked for my retirement and have no recourse.
    Except of course a massive AARP one issue voting campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    No. It is immune.
    But the deported illegals can sue and have deportation stopped because they are plaintiffs in a law suit against the government.
    "What a Country" !

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Past practice says it is. Plus it's our money taken from us for our retirement.
    Past practice aside, SCOTUS has ruled it isn't a guarantee. Congress can end it tomorrow and that would be it. That the government took the money doesn't matter.
    Democrats are a clear and present danger to our democracy and our society.

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