China fires 6 WARNINGS to US Navy in South China Sea ‘This is China...LEAVE IMMED”

[MisterVeritis]

Agreed. As our our carriers. No?

I do not know what you mean.

[Ransom]

This makes me smile. It is as if you believe our ships are unsinkable. We won't know until the shots are fired.

Are ships are sinkable, MisterV, you ain't seen Tora Tora Tora? We need not wait until shots are fired, US ships can be sunk. However, that would be a yuge mistake.....as.....for the nation who dares to sink an American warship...they soon regret it.

Don't fck with our Navy has been the standard from Jefferson's message to the Ottomans to Theo Roosevelt's White Navy to today's fleets, you don't even have to be a sailor to understand this. It's the same as fck with the bull, you get the horns.

The Iranians, Chinese, North Koreans, understand this as well, China is not going to sink an American warship or bring down a US plane. And it's because they know the sleeping giant will awaken. They've all seen that up close, they want no part of it.

[MisterVeritis]

Are ships are sinkable, MisterV, you ain't seen Tora Tora Tora? We need not wait until shots are fired, US ships can be sunk. However, that would be a yuge mistake.....as.....for the nation who dares to sink an American warship...they soon regret it.

Don't fck with our Navy has been the standard from Jefferson's message to the Ottomans to Theo Roosevelt's White Navy to today's fleets, you don't even have to be a sailor to understand this. It's the same as fck with the bull, you get the horns.

The Iranians, Chinese, North Koreans, understand this as well, China is not going to sink an American warship or bring down a US plane. And it's because they know the sleeping giant will awaken. They've all seen that up close, they want no part of it.

We have solved the first issue. American ships can be sunk. Now on to the question I asked. Given the sinkings what can the US do? What would we do?

[Admiral Ackbar]

Are ships are sinkable, MisterV, you ain't seen Tora Tora Tora? We need not wait until shots are fired, US ships can be sunk. However, that would be a yuge mistake.....as.....for the nation who dares to sink an American warship...they soon regret it.

Don't fck with our Navy has been the standard from Jefferson's message to the Ottomans to Theo Roosevelt's White Navy to today's fleets, you don't even have to be a sailor to understand this. It's the same as fck with the bull, you get the horns.

The Iranians, Chinese, North Koreans, understand this as well, China is not going to sink an American warship or bring down a US plane. And it's because they know the sleeping giant will awaken. They've all seen that up close, they want no part of it.

Agreed that all ships are sinkable. But the effort to do so and the fact that it does not end there is the issue for the enemy. In Tora Tora Tora, they sunk ships to be sure. In the end though they lost due to the combined power of the USN. Sinking one ship would be only very small victory for short time. Then the reckoning would follow. Just like results at Pearl Habour.

[MisterVeritis]

Agreed that all ships are sinkable. But the effort to do so and the fact that it does not end there is the issue for the enemy. In Tora Tora Tora, they sunk ships to be sure. In the end though they lost due to the combined power of the USN. Sinking one ship would be only very small victory for short time. Then the reckoning would follow. Just like results at Pearl Habour.

Really? Would the US go to war with China if they sank our ships? What would that war look like?

[Ransom]

Agreed that all ships are sinkable. But the effort to do so and the fact that it does not end there is the issue for the enemy. In Tora Tora Tora, they sunk ships to be sure. In the end though they lost due to the combined power of the USN. Sinking one ship would be only very small victory for short time. Then the reckoning would follow. Just like results at Pearl Habour.

Agreed. And why it is crucial to project power abroad. To make your point well understood, even many Japanese for example knew the attack on Pearl was done so at their own peril.

[Ransom]

Really? Would the US go to war with China if they sank our ships? What would that war look like?

I think it would involve Korea.

[Captdon]

Well, okay.

A carrier strike group^[1] (CSG) is an operational formation of the United States Navy. It is composed of roughly 7,500 personnel, an aircraft carrier, at least one cruiser, a destroyer squadron of at least two destroyers or frigates,^[2] and a carrier air wing of 65 to 70 aircraft. A carrier strike group also, on occasion, includes submarines, attached logistics ships and a supply ship. The carrier strike group commander operationally reports to the commander of the numbered fleet, who is operationally responsible for the area of waters in which the carrier strike group is operating.
So let's say:
One aircraft carrier
Four other surface combatant ships.
Four other logistics ships.
and two submarines.


Let them sail into the South China Sea that China has decided is theirs. They have persistent ocean surveillance. Assume the locations of every surface ship will be known constantly. Assume the locations of the submarines may be known from time to time sporadically. Chin has hundreds of boats in the Sea. It can launch many dozens of anti-ship cruise missiles from the air and from land at each known ship. Our nine ships could be gone in less than 30 minutes.

Now what?

What do you think will happen? We're going to come home like a broken dog? If we don't have the ability to retaliate we shouldn't be there.

Now, as the subs. I have heard our Navy brag about our subs not being found. Maybe they're wrong. If not they can do a hell of a lot of damage to China. Our bombers can fly out of anywhere and take their docks out.


To me, it's as simple as if we can't protect the South China Sea then come home.It's that or start a nuclear war.

That's what. if I missed any other option feel free to tell me what they are. I don't claim to be a military expert. I only know what I've read.

[MisterVeritis]

What do you think will happen? We're going to come home like a broken dog? If we don't have the ability to retaliate we shouldn't be there.

Yes. This is the problem. The Chinese have many S-300 equivalent ADA systems. They also have a variant aboard ship HHS-300. They have three artificial islands equipped with S-300s and probably anti-ship ballistic missiles. They have been working on integrating land-based air with ocean surveillance and naval activity.

Now, as the subs. I have heard our Navy brag about our subs not being found. Maybe they're wrong. If not they can do a hell of a lot of damage to China. Our bombers can fly out of anywhere and take their docks out.

Submarines are very difficult to find and to track. When they come near the surface to launch cruise missiles, they self-locate.

From where do you believe our bombers will fly? What would they strike? If the carrier group is sunk how would we respond?

To me, it's as simple as if we can't protect the South China Sea then come home.It's that or start a nuclear war.
That's what. if I missed any other option feel free to tell me what they are. I don't claim to be a military expert. I only know what I've read.

Good discussion.