Iran test-fires ballistic missile for first time in 2018, officials say......

[MMC]

There are no moderates. Nice try.

Yeah, and Ben Rhodes finally admitted he made that $#@! up about Iranian Moderates and he was quite happy that the Lame Stream went with it and didn't call him out over it. As you can see some fell for it and figured they would start using that as part of their argument. That was never used in their argument before.

[MMC]

Agree, was listening to some middle East policy experts discuss that very thing yesterday.

Really? What were their names? Was this on CNN? MSDNC?

[MMC]

Iranian moderates are a con and useful tool used to get Iranians a better deal and always have been. The Muslim edict to lie to your enemy without it being a sin is ingrained in their negotiation tactics.

You would think even those that are isolationists and or anti American would know that. Of course, not knowing much about the history of Nations.....all they can fall back on is some soundbite they got from TV or from a Democrat that was talking about Iran.

[Ransom]

Agree, was listening to some middle East policy experts discuss that very thing yesterday.

Were you, Crepitus? Listening to some Middle East policy "experts?"



Smalls keeps killin me!

[Ransom]

Right, and in doing so, Trump humiliated Rouhani and the Iranian moderates in front of their entire country, handing a victory to the hardliners who claim negotiation with the US is futile.

Trump didn't humiliate anyone save for Obama. By withdrawing from the Iranian agreement, the President first exposes that this 'agreement' didn't go through Treaty process, didn't pass muster with We the People, in fact was rejected outright by Congress. Your normal anti-government theme is violated here, Ethereal, who cares how Iranian 'hardliners' reacted, the Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell explained to the Mullahs that their agreement with the US would most likely be withdrawn if a Republican President was elected. Mitch McConnell of course voting no right along with Democrat Senate Minority leader Chuck U. Schumer if I'm not mistaken. And I'm not.

But Iran-haters know absolutely nothing about Iran except that some of them occasionally chant "death to America".

But you see, the Iran haters includes many Iraqis who fought decades long wars with the Persians and thus know them well. Many involved in the Iran Iraq War and the Iraq War where Shia Iranians tried to influence the majority Shia in Iraq...and know much about Iran as well. We have the Israelis also on the 'hate Iran' list, the Israelis know much about Iran.

Neocons have great respect for Iran. And want to appeal to the younger generation of Iranians that don't necessarily believe in the innate power the Mullahs claim, that by birth within their religion....and a 1979 Islamic Revolution....that they are unchallenged leaders in Iran.

Yet Trump's decision to unilaterally withdraw from the Iran deal is exactly what the "death to America" crowd wanted to happen. Now they're using Trump's withdrawal to attack Rouhani and promote a more hardline position.

Obama's decision to unilaterally enter into this agreement the error that needed correcting, Ethereal. The death to American chants in Iran I believe are manufactured, I believe the Iranian People given the opportunity, would embrace many western traditions especially economically.

Now....Kurds......that is another story. The Kurdish People despise Iran.....and the Iranians hate Kurds. The same Kurds you push for autonomy for.....Ethereal.....any independence at all, any autonomy spoken of by the Kurds....is quickly silenced. The Iranians whether moderate or extreme.....don't like Kurds.

One thing you can always count on from neocons and other US imperialists is that they know precious little about the countries they want to destroy beyond a few soundbites that were fed to them by the military-industrial complex.

Manufactured donttread nonsense doesn't help here. Let Neocons speak for themselves, you've enough trouble trying to convince us you're not stupid.

[Crepitus]

That is what happens to a diplomatic solution that doesn't solve the problem, and allows Iran to still proceed with their quest for nukes. Note that down for future reference. So you don't repeat your performance.

Wrong! This is what happens when you have an idiot in charge. Nothing more. If you believe the original agreement was meant to allow them to get nukes you are in the same category.

[Crepitus]

Really? What were their names? Was this on CNN? MSDNC?

Npr. I don't remember the names but they usually have actual experts instead of pundits like faux does.

[Crepitus]

Were you, Crepitus? Listening to some Middle East policy "experts?"



Smalls keeps killin me!

You're kind of a dumbass aren't you.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Npr. I don't remember the names but they usually have actual experts instead of pundits like faux does.

Were they the kind of experts that foresaw a landslide win by the Old Hag, Or were they the experts that said 2% GDP is the limit of growth for US economy. Were the kind of experts that said Global Warming would flood NYC by year 2000? Were they the kind of experts that told us how strong the Soviet Union was? Were they the kind of experts that developed a health plan where if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?. Were they kind of experts that predicted we are at peek oil and it would be soon running out? NPR put all those experts on. Just an FYI

[DGUtley]

In fact, the NPR Ombudsman has criticized NPR for burying its corrections: https://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsm...d-on-the-radio