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Conley
11-10-2011, 10:22 AM
Captain Samuel Nicholas formed two battalions of Continental Marines on 10 November 1775 in Philadelphia as naval infantry.[10] Since then, the mission of the Marine Corps has evolved with changing military doctrine and American foreign policy. The Marine Corps has served in every American armed conflict and attained prominence in the 20th century when its theories and practices of amphibious warfare proved prescient and ultimately formed the cornerstone of the Pacific campaign of World War II.[11] By the mid-20th century, the Marine Corps had become the dominant theorist and practitioner of amphibious warfare.[12][13][14] Its ability to rapidly respond on short notice to expeditionary crises gives it a strong role in the implementation and execution of American foreign policy.[15]

The United States Marine Corps includes just under 203,000 active duty Marines (as of October 2010)[16] and just under 40,000 reserve Marines (as of 2010).[2] It is the smallest of the United States' armed forces in the Department of Defense (the United States Coast Guard is smaller, about one-fifth the size of the Marine Corps, but is normally under the Department of Homeland Security). The Marine Corps is nonetheless larger than the armed forces of many significant military powers; for example, it is larger than the active duty Israel Defense Forces and the active duty British Army.[17][18]

The Marine Corps accounts for around six percent of the military budget of the United States. The cost per Marine is $20,000 less than the cost of a serviceman from the other services, and the entire force can be used for both hybrid and major combat operations;[19] that is, the Marines cover the entire Three Block War. However, these per capita costs do not account for support provided by other branches, such as the Navy's amphibious warfare ships and the long range air transport of the USAF.[20] However given expected defense budget cuts, the Marines may be the service best positioned for "fielding cheap options for an uncertain world."[21] The Marine Corps budget is comparably well handled with a tiny fraction of the Anti-Deficiency Act violations of any of the other three major branches.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps

Oorah!

Mister D
11-10-2011, 10:28 AM
Jarheads. ::) ;D

MMC
11-10-2011, 12:22 PM
Full Metal Jacket Clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o#noexternalembed)

Semper FI.....Hoorah! http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/m1helmet.gif http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/icon_salut.gif

Mister D
11-10-2011, 12:23 PM
I just didn't appreciate Full Metal Jacket. They say it's a great war film.

MMC
11-10-2011, 12:42 PM
Homemade trailer for "The Siege of Firebase Gloria" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQEQaFzVQIM#)

This was a better one.....I love the ending of this video, you can check it from the 2:50 mark to the end if you don't want to see the rest. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/m1helmet.gif

Mister D
11-10-2011, 12:43 PM
Homemade trailer for "The Siege of Firebase Gloria" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQEQaFzVQIM#)

This was a better one.....I love the ending of this video, you can check it from the 2:50 mark to the end if you don't want to see the rest. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/m1helmet.gif


;D I saw it several times.

Conley
11-10-2011, 12:51 PM
I just didn't appreciate Full Metal Jacket. They say it's a great war film.


I thought it was good, nothing great. Platoon was better in my opinion, but it's been a while since I've seen either one.

MMC
11-10-2011, 12:58 PM
GEICO's R Lee Ermey Rips Obama on Stage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCBBv9LVGmc#ws)

:o :D ;D

Mister D
11-10-2011, 12:59 PM
I just didn't appreciate Full Metal Jacket. They say it's a great war film.


I thought it was good, nothing great. Platoon was better in my opinion, but it's been a while since I've seen either one.


Platoon was an anti-war propaganda film but it was very well done. Gloria was a fun movie but it certainly isn't a great film.

MMC
11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
I just didn't appreciate Full Metal Jacket. They say it's a great war film.


I thought it was good, nothing great. Platoon was better in my opinion, but it's been a while since I've seen either one.


Platoon was an anti-war propaganda film but it was very well done. Gloria was a fun movie but it certainly isn't a great film.


Yeah, and Platoon wasnt about the Marines either. Same with Apocalypse Now. It also was an Anti-War Movie. IMO it was a good movie. Course I am biased. ;)

Mister D
11-10-2011, 01:15 PM
I just didn't appreciate Full Metal Jacket. They say it's a great war film.


I thought it was good, nothing great. Platoon was better in my opinion, but it's been a while since I've seen either one.


Platoon was an anti-war propaganda film but it was very well done. Gloria was a fun movie but it certainly isn't a great film.


Yeah, and Platoon wasnt about the Marines either. Same with Apocalypse Now. It also was an Anti-War Movie. IMO it was a good movie. Course I am biased. ;)


They were both good movies but they were ideologically driven to a large extent. That's undeniable.

Conley
11-10-2011, 01:20 PM
I was just comparing Platoon and FMJ because I thought they were released around the same time. I didn't realize Platoon was a propaganda flick, I thought it was just saying it sucked being in the Vietnam War which I had no trouble believing as a kid. I think it was my first R movie actually :D, my friend's dad who was a Vietnam Vet took us because he thought it was important to see. Messed us up I think. When I saw it as an adult years later there did seem to be some heavy handed metaphors that weren't very subtle, but like I said I haven't seen either one in a long time. I'll probably watch them again soon now that this thread has reminded me of it.

Mister D
11-10-2011, 01:21 PM
I was just comparing Platoon and FMJ because I thought they were released around the same time. I didn't realize Platoon was a propaganda flick, I thought it was just saying it sucked being in the Vietnam War which I had no trouble believing as a kid. I think it was my first R movie actually :D, my friend's dad who was a Vietnam Vet took us because he thought it was important to see. Messed us up I think. When I saw it as an adult years later there did seem to be some heavy handed metaphors that weren't very subtle, but like I said I haven't seen either one in a long time. I'll probably watch them again soon now that this thread has reminded me of it.


Don't get me wrong. Platoon is a very well made film. Very entertaining but very ideological.

Conley
11-10-2011, 01:24 PM
I was just comparing Platoon and FMJ because I thought they were released around the same time. I didn't realize Platoon was a propaganda flick, I thought it was just saying it sucked being in the Vietnam War which I had no trouble believing as a kid. I think it was my first R movie actually :D, my friend's dad who was a Vietnam Vet took us because he thought it was important to see. Messed us up I think. When I saw it as an adult years later there did seem to be some heavy handed metaphors that weren't very subtle, but like I said I haven't seen either one in a long time. I'll probably watch them again soon now that this thread has reminded me of it.


Don't get me wrong. Platoon is a very well made film. Very entertaining but very ideological.


That's cool. Any specifics?

MMC
11-10-2011, 01:29 PM
Marine Corps "Chess" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyswTIthgEg#)

Im not a Marine.....But I am Mightier than the Pen, who knows whats comin! ;)

MMC
11-10-2011, 01:34 PM
United States Marine Corps - circa 1981 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDcNnpmWCCg#)

1981 Marine Corp Commercial.....pretty plain.

Mister D
11-10-2011, 01:42 PM
I was just comparing Platoon and FMJ because I thought they were released around the same time. I didn't realize Platoon was a propaganda flick, I thought it was just saying it sucked being in the Vietnam War which I had no trouble believing as a kid. I think it was my first R movie actually :D, my friend's dad who was a Vietnam Vet took us because he thought it was important to see. Messed us up I think. When I saw it as an adult years later there did seem to be some heavy handed metaphors that weren't very subtle, but like I said I haven't seen either one in a long time. I'll probably watch them again soon now that this thread has reminded me of it.


Don't get me wrong. Platoon is a very well made film. Very entertaining but very ideological.


That's cool. Any specifics?


For example, the films portrays poor morale and a great deal of infighting among the troops but it takes place in 1967 when morale was high. I guess he chose 1967 because our involvement was at its height then or shortly thereafter. Morale only began to deteriorate after we had decided to leave. At that point the overall quality of the troops serving in Vietnam fell precipitously. No surprise. You weren't getting many volunteers anymore and anyone with the means to evade the draft did so.

Mister D
11-10-2011, 01:43 PM
I don't think it was a random decision to depict the war as it was in 1967. It was done on purpose.

Conley
11-10-2011, 01:46 PM
Interesting. I read it is based on Stone's own experiences in Vietnam and he no doubt played with the details. If he was unhappy over there then he probably projected his feelings on to his fellow soldiers both in real life and even more in the movie he made.

Mister D
11-10-2011, 01:49 PM
Interesting. I read it is based on Stone's own experiences in Vietnam and he no doubt played with the details. If he was unhappy over there then he probably projected his feelings on to his fellow soldiers both in real life and even more in the movie he made.


Makes sense. Erich Marie Remarque did exactly that with All Quiet on the Western Front.

Conley
11-10-2011, 01:53 PM
Interesting. I read it is based on Stone's own experiences in Vietnam and he no doubt played with the details. If he was unhappy over there then he probably projected his feelings on to his fellow soldiers both in real life and even more in the movie he made.


Makes sense. Erich Marie Remarque did exactly that with All Quiet on the Western Front.


Oh! I need to add that to my list.

Mister D
11-10-2011, 02:11 PM
Interesting. I read it is based on Stone's own experiences in Vietnam and he no doubt played with the details. If he was unhappy over there then he probably projected his feelings on to his fellow soldiers both in real life and even more in the movie he made.


Makes sense. Erich Marie Remarque did exactly that with All Quiet on the Western Front.


Oh! I need to add that to my list.


That's a novel and a film from the 1930s though. They did a color remake in the late 70s I think but I'm not sure if you wuld look it. Can't hurt I guess. Anyway, the main character of the novel/film was a volunteer in 1914 (the first year of the war). Remarque was a conscript in 1917. He projects his own view of the war onto millions of men who did not share it. It's considered a classic but when kids read it they will get the impression that Remarque's is the only legitimate perrception of the conflict. The sane is true with movies like Platoon. Oh, Vietnam was awful...everyne knows that. Didn't you see Platoon?

Conley
11-10-2011, 02:17 PM
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.

Mister D
11-10-2011, 02:27 PM
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.


Combat is awful to most people I'd imagine but that doesn't necessarily mean that war is without purpose, value, or a positive meaning in people's lives. Both Stone and Remarque depict war as a menaingless waste of human life. That's arguable but the important thing is that that's not the way millions of men actually felt about their experiences.

MMC
11-10-2011, 02:30 PM
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.


Hated the bugs and snakes. >:(

Mister D
11-10-2011, 02:34 PM
For example, I'm sure MMC is proud of what he did.

Conley
11-10-2011, 02:34 PM
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.


Hated the bugs and snakes. >:(


I bet. It looks awful. I would rather be in a war in Iraq than Vietnam. Afghanistan too. Not talking about the combatants, just the elements.

Conley
11-10-2011, 02:35 PM
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.


Combat is awful to most people I'd imagine but that doesn't necessarily mean that war is without purpose, value, or a positive meaning in people's lives. Both Stone and Remarque depict war as a menaingless waste of human life. That's arguable but the important thing is that that's not the way millions of men actually felt about their experiences.


I can see how such a perspective would be offensive to many.

Mister D
11-10-2011, 02:38 PM
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.


Hated the bugs and snakes. >:(


I bet. It looks awful. I would rather be in a war in Iraq than Vietnam. Afghanistan too. Not talking about the combatants, just the elements.


I think I'd take the heat over the cold. :-\

MMC
11-10-2011, 02:42 PM
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.


Hated the bugs and snakes. >:(


I bet. It looks awful. I would rather be in a war in Iraq than Vietnam. Afghanistan too. Not talking about the combatants, just the elements.


I think I'd take the heat over the cold. :-\


Paint it Black - Vietnam War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InRDF_0lfHk#noexternalembed)

Amen to that brutha.....http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/olovo/smilies/highfive.gif At least you can Move. ;)

Here is a little bit of Nam with some Music.....or I should say it like Spunks says. Here is some enrichment for ya's. ;D

Mister D
11-10-2011, 02:43 PM
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.


Hated the bugs and snakes. >:(


I bet. It looks awful. I would rather be in a war in Iraq than Vietnam. Afghanistan too. Not talking about the combatants, just the elements.


I think I'd take the heat over the cold. :-\


Paint it Black - Vietnam War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InRDF_0lfHk#noexternalembed)

Amen to that brutha.....http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/olovo/smilies/highfive.gif At least you can Move. ;)

Here is a little bit of Nam with some Music.....or I should say it like Spunks says. Here is some enrichment for ya's. ;D


One of my favorite Stones pieces.

MMC
11-10-2011, 02:45 PM
Vietnam War-House of the Rising Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWEv9Q0XQ4#)

Kennedy Talks About America about not wanting or starting a War at the beginning of this one.

MMC
11-10-2011, 02:49 PM
Vietnam War, We Gotta Get Out Of This Place (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FEjGB0ZVU#)

This was one of my favorites.....http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/m1helmet.gif

MMC
11-10-2011, 03:01 PM
leeches.....did i mention the leeches. I hated those things. Always had to be checking ourselves for those fucks. One little ole lady we met. Showed us a neat little trick. which was to take bean oil and cover yourself in it. Made it harder for the leeches to grab on to. Not that they couldn't just more difficult for them. Course after sweating your ass off and I am talking dripping swet it does wear off. But I was totally surprised that it worked. Even water would kinda just run off ya.

Also note the difference in Equipment. Sometimes one had to move light and quick. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/m1helmet.gif

Mister D
11-11-2011, 10:41 PM
Did you catch an episode of this new documentary, MMC? It's on now again.

MMC
11-12-2011, 01:15 AM
Did you catch an episode of this new documentary, MMC? It's on now again.


No I didnt get to see it.....

Mister D
11-12-2011, 09:50 PM
Did you catch an episode of this new documentary, MMC? It's on now again.


No I didnt get to see it.....


On again now. ;D

Conley
11-12-2011, 10:28 PM
Did you catch an episode of this new documentary, MMC? It's on now again.


No I didnt get to see it.....


On again now. ;D


Yeah, it's good that they repeat them a lot, especially the original stuff.

MMC
11-12-2011, 11:03 PM
Did you catch an episode of this new documentary, MMC? It's on now again.


No I didnt get to see it.....


On again now. ;D


Is this the one Vietnam HD? About Hill 397 known as Hamburger Hill. Right now they are talking about how it was a change in Warfare. With the Use of Helicopters. Known as Air Mobility.