Government now BREEDING Blacks: San Francisco will pay pregnant women $1000 per month

[Sybil Ludington]

San Francisco Mayor London Breed is launching a new social program called Abundant Birth Project. The program will start by redistributing $2.25 million to pregnant women living in San Francisco. The women will receive $1000 per month over nine months gestation and during the first six months of their baby’s life.


But there’s a catch: In order to receive the cash, a pregnant woman’s ethnicity must be African American or Pacific-Islander. (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/san-fran-launches-program-to-pay-pregnant-women-1000-per-month/)


In effect, the Mayor of San Francisco, named “Breed,” is rolling out a real-life breeding program to try to increase the population of people of color.


Article continued:
https://www.dcclothesline.com/2020/10/07/government-now-breeding-blacks-san-francisco-will-pay-pregnant-women-1000-per-month-but-only-if-they-have-dark-skin/

[barb012]

Why is this insanity allowed to continue?

[Dr. Who]

What a misleading thread. The truth is that this is not a "breeding program" of any kind, but a health related program:

"Through a new pilot program, approximately 150 lower-income Black and Pacific Islander pregnant women in San Francisco will receive a $1,000 monthly stipend in an effort to curb high rates of deaths related to pregnancy and childbirth.


The reason: These two groups are most at risk for preterm births and infant and mother deaths during pregnancy and childbirth, San Francisco Mayor London Breed and Expecting Justice said during last week's launch of the pilot program called Abundant Birth Project."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/san-francisco-abundant-birth-project-trnd/index.html

[Sybil Ludington]

Why is this insanity allowed to continue?
Is this their way of "making" future democrats?

[Sybil Ludington]

What a misleading thread. The truth is that this is not a "breeding program" of any kind, but a health related program:

"Through a new pilot program, approximately 150 lower-income Black and Pacific Islander pregnant women in San Francisco will receive a $1,000 monthly stipend in an effort to curb high rates of deaths related to pregnancy and childbirth.


The reason: These two groups are most at risk for preterm births and infant and mother deaths during pregnancy and childbirth, San Francisco Mayor London Breed and Expecting Justice said during last week's launch of the pilot program called Abundant Birth Project."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/san-francisco-abundant-birth-project-trnd/index.html


CNN?!

https://media.tenor.com/images/f5ed8b2664606d18d6e1cf3d2678ec36/tenor.gif

[testsubjectalpha]

Dr, does this program not reek of discrimination and racism. Why only blacks and pacific islanders? Keep in mind this program is funded by all taxpayer dollars. My issue is not with the effort, my issue is the blatant discrimination being demonstrated in the policy.





What a misleading thread. The truth is that this is not a "breeding program" of any kind, but a health related program:

"Through a new pilot program, approximately 150 lower-income Black and Pacific Islander pregnant women in San Francisco will receive a $1,000 monthly stipend in an effort to curb high rates of deaths related to pregnancy and childbirth.


The reason: These two groups are most at risk for preterm births and infant and mother deaths during pregnancy and childbirth, San Francisco Mayor London Breed and Expecting Justice said during last week's launch of the pilot program called Abundant Birth Project."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/san-francisco-abundant-birth-project-trnd/index.html

[Abby08]

There are also white women who find themselves in the same situation, why are they excluded?

[Dr. Who]

CNN?!

https://media.tenor.com/images/f5ed8b2664606d18d6e1cf3d2678ec36/tenor.gif
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/516657-pregnant-black-pacific-islander-women-in-san-francisco-to
https://www.expectingjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Abundant-Birth-Project-Fact-Sheet-11.19.pdf
https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/abundant-birth-project-gives-expecting-mothers-one-less-thing-to-worry-about/https://pretermbirthca.ucsf.edu/news/pregnancy-income-supplementation-program-launches-improve-black-and-pi-births

[RMNIXON]

What is the cause of these high rates of deaths in relation to pregnancy and childbirth? Is mother nature being Racist again?


BTW the less expensive solution would be to defund Planned Parenthood if you want more black children being born.

[Dr. Who]

Dr, does this program not reek of discrimination and racism. Why only blacks and pacific islanders? Keep in mind this program is funded by all taxpayer dollars. My issue is not with the effort, my issue is the blatant discrimination being demonstrated in the policy.
The reason was given - "These two groups are most at risk for preterm births and infant and mother deaths during pregnancy and childbirth".

[carolina73]

I think this is awesome. Now they will not have to steal to get their crack money.

[Tahuyaman]

Why is this insanity allowed to continue?
Far left wing liberalism.

[RMNIXON]

The reason was given - "These two groups are most at risk for preterm births and infant and mother deaths during pregnancy and childbirth".
That is not an explanation for the risk. I looked at the CNN article and found none. If your going to claim poverty them plenty of poor white mothers all across America.

[goodpen]

The whole thing is ridiculous. How many programs are already in place to "help" so called poor people? Free all kinds of things, including medical care. More vote buying by the radicals.

[Sybil Ludington]

The reason was given - "These two groups are most at risk for preterm births and infant and mother deaths during pregnancy and childbirth".

Then why should Planned Parenthood get so many of OUR dollars? If these women don't want their children, then let them go full term and pay them to take their child instead of murdering them.



WHO HAS ABORTIONS


Most abortions in the United States are obtained by minority women.


https://www.guttmacher.org/graphics/gpr1103/Who-has-abortions.gif

[Sybil Ludington]

The whole thing is ridiculous. How many programs are already in place to "help" so called poor people? Free all kinds of things, including medical care. More vote buying by the radicals.
In addition, if these women don't want babies, except to get paid "rent" while they're pregnant, how well are they going to take care of them? Are they going to abuse them when the money runs out? Are they going to blame their babies for making them change their lifestyle when they didn't want to?

[Abby08]

In addition, if these women don't want babies, except to get paid "rent" while they're pregnant, how well are they going to take care of them? Are they going to abuse them when the money runs out? Are they going to blame their babies for making them change their lifestyle when they didn't want to?


All legitimate concerns. Anyone?

[Dr. Who]

Then why should Planned Parenthood get so many of OUR dollars? If these women don't want their children, then let them go full term and pay them to take their child instead of murdering them.



WHO HAS ABORTIONS


Most abortions in the United States are obtained by minority women.


https://www.guttmacher.org/graphics/gpr1103/Who-has-abortions.gif



What part of pre-term births and child and mother mortality rates suggests abortion to you?

[Sybil Ludington]

What part of pre-term births and child and mother mortality rates suggests abortion to you?

What makes you think pre-term births and mortality rates are REALLY what it's about? DUH!

[Real American Pickler]

Who really knows anything anyway.

[Dr. Who]

What makes you think pre-term births and mortality rates are REALLY what it's about? DUH!
Are you now inventing your own narrative?

[Sybil Ludington]

Are you now inventing your own narrative?

Hardly. But interesting that you can't refute it, but just answer with a question.... That speaks for itself.

[Dr. Who]

That is not an explanation for the risk. I looked at the CNN article and found none. If your going to claim poverty them plenty of poor white mothers all across America.
According to this (https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/mayor-london-breed-announces-launch-pilot-program-provide-basic-income) is a SF public-private initiative.

"The Abundant Birth Project is a simple, yet novel, approach to achieving better maternal health and birthing outcomes: provide pregnant Black and Pacific Islander women a monthly income supplement for the duration of their pregnancy and during the postpartum period as an economic and reproductive health intervention. Prematurity is a leading cause of infant mortality and has been linked to lifelong conditions, such as behavioral development issues, learning difficulties, and chronic disease. In San Francisco, Black infants are almost twice as likely to be born prematurely compared with White infants (13.8% versus 7.3%, from 2012-2016) and Pacific Islander infants have the second-highest preterm birth rate (10.4%). Furthermore, Black families account for half of the maternal deaths and over 15% of infant deaths, despite representing only 4% of all births. Pacific Islander families face similar disparities."


"The project is a fully funded public-private partnership designed under the collaborative change model, a process which directly involves all impacted and interested parties in decision-making. The Abundant Birth Project entered its design phase after receiving a Hellman Collaborative Change Initiative grant from the Hellman Foundation, and has since gone on to also receive an award of $1.1 million from Jack Dorsey's #startsmall campaign, $200,000 from Genentech, and $200,000 from the San Francisco Department of Public Health. Additional funders include California Preterm Birth Initiative at UCSF, WKKF (Kellogg Foundation), San Francisco Health Plan, Tipping Point, Economic Security Project, Walter and Elise Haas, San Francisco Foundation, and Friedman Family Foundation."

[testsubjectalpha]

Dr, it seems discriminatory, using taxpayer funds, to exclude all other races from a monthly income supplement for the activity of having sex. I guess you are saying Black and Pacific Islander women are somehow 'different' women.




According to this (https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/mayor-london-breed-announces-launch-pilot-program-provide-basic-income) is a SF public-private initiative.

"The Abundant Birth Project is a simple, yet novel, approach to achieving better maternal health and birthing outcomes: provide pregnant Black and Pacific Islander women a monthly income supplement for the duration of their pregnancy and during the postpartum period as an economic and reproductive health intervention. Prematurity is a leading cause of infant mortality and has been linked to lifelong conditions, such as behavioral development issues, learning difficulties, and chronic disease. In San Francisco, Black infants are almost twice as likely to be born prematurely compared with White infants (13.8% versus 7.3%, from 2012-2016) and Pacific Islander infants have the second-highest preterm birth rate (10.4%). Furthermore, Black families account for half of the maternal deaths and over 15% of infant deaths, despite representing only 4% of all births. Pacific Islander families face similar disparities."


"The project is a fully funded public-private partnership designed under the collaborative change model, a process which directly involves all impacted and interested parties in decision-making. The Abundant Birth Project entered its design phase after receiving a Hellman Collaborative Change Initiative grant from the Hellman Foundation, and has since gone on to also receive an award of $1.1 million from Jack Dorsey's #startsmall campaign, $200,000 from Genentech, and $200,000 from the San Francisco Department of Public Health. Additional funders include California Preterm Birth Initiative at UCSF, WKKF (Kellogg Foundation), San Francisco Health Plan, Tipping Point, Economic Security Project, Walter and Elise Haas, San Francisco Foundation, and Friedman Family Foundation."

[Dr. Who]

Hardly. But interesting that you can't refute it, but just answer with a question.... That speaks for itself.
The question that you asked me was absurd. There is ample evidence that this initiative has nothing whatsoever to do with abortion and your unsubstantiated suggestion that it does, doesn't make it so. I have now posted multiple (credible) links regarding this project.

Just an FYI, but your source - DC Dirty Laundry - has the following rating on media bias fact check:


QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2017/05/31/being-more-media-savvy-wont-stop-the-spread-of-fake-news-heres-why/)). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources. (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fake-news/)



Overall, we rate DC Dirty Laundry Questionable due to extreme right-wing bias and promotion of propaganda and conspiracies. This source also publishes fake news as evidenced from the above links, but they have not been fact-checked by an IFCN fact checker as of yet.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/dc-dirty-laundry/

[Casey Jones]

What a misleading thread. The truth is that this is not a "breeding program" of any kind, but a health related program:

"Through a new pilot program, approximately 150 lower-income Black and Pacific Islander pregnant women in San Francisco will receive a $1,000 monthly stipend in an effort to curb high rates of deaths related to pregnancy and childbirth.


The reason: These two groups are most at risk for preterm births and infant and mother deaths during pregnancy and childbirth, San Francisco Mayor London Breed and Expecting Justice said during last week's launch of the pilot program called Abundant Birth Project."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/san-francisco-abundant-birth-project-trnd/index.html

A distinction without a difference.

Moar babies; moar money foar FREE.

[Dr. Who]

Dr, it seems discriminatory, using taxpayer funds, to exclude all other races from a monthly income supplement for the activity of having sex. I guess you are saying Black and Pacific Islander women are somehow 'different' women.
It's not that unusual or discriminatory to target highly at-risk groups for assistance. Furthermore, if such additional assistance produces better birth outcomes and results in healthier mothers who are better able to care for their children, it means that there will be less chance of special needs children and sick mothers or children without mothers who will fall upon the state for care in the future.

[Dr. Who]

A distinction without a difference.

Moar babies; moar money foar FREE.
Is it your money? In fact most of the funding comes from private sources.

[Sybil Ludington]

The question that you asked me was absurd. There is ample evidence that this initiative has nothing whatsoever to do with abortion and your unsubstantiated suggestion that it does, doesn't make it so. I have now posted multiple (credible) links regarding this project.

Just an FYI, but your source - DC Dirty Laundry - has the following rating on media bias fact check:
I always love how the lefties, when they can't answer a question, attack a source.....

[Sybil Ludington]

Is it your money? In fact most of the funding comes from private sources.

provide the sources for that comment.....................

[Casey Jones]

Is it your money? In fact most of the funding comes from private sources.
Tax money is my money. I'd want to see how "most" breaks down.

Corporate money, also does not fall from Heaven. It's put onto the cost of doing business - that the customer pays. I'd want to know WHO is giving WHAT, so I know how much I'm contributing, and what businesses to avoid.

Odd how you aren't bothered by some overt forms of ray sissm.

[Dr. Who]

provide the sources for that comment.....................

https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/128262-Government-now-BREEDING-Blacks-San-Francisco-will-pay-pregnant-women-1000-per-month?p=3012438&viewfull=1#post3012438

[testsubjectalpha]

Dr, in your own words please.




https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/128262-Government-now-BREEDING-Blacks-San-Francisco-will-pay-pregnant-women-1000-per-month?p=3012438&viewfull=1#post3012438

[Abby08]

What do you think they're doing, by offering that 1,000 a month?

How many black and Hispanic women are going to become pregnant, just to collect?

[Dr. Who]

Dr, in your own words please.
I'm not going to paraphrase a list of donors. Read the link to the text I already posted.

[Sybil Ludington]

https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/128262-Government-now-BREEDING-Blacks-San-Francisco-will-pay-pregnant-women-1000-per-month?p=3012438&viewfull=1#post3012438

It's inappropriate to provide a link to another comment you made on another thread. It should be a link to an article/resource that backs-up your supposed facts...

[ripmeister]

Breeding? Really?

[Dr. Who]

It's inappropriate to provide a link to another comment you made on another thread. It should be a link to an article/resource that backs-up your supposed facts...
What is inappropriate to you, is none of my concern. You have been a member of this forum for all of 3 weeks. I provided you with a link to a comment made in post #23 in this thread, including text from a credible source for which I also included a link. If I chose to provide you with a link to a comment and link in another thread, that would be within the forum rules. You should read them.

[DGUtley]

It's inappropriate to provide a link to another comment you made on another thread. It should be a link to an article/resource that backs-up your supposed facts...

No. I don’t think so. Dr. Who is free to support her position any way she chooses, as you have been as well.

[Sybil Ludington]

No. I don’t think so. @Dr. Who (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2702) is free to support her position any way she chooses, as you have been as well.

That's not the way I take their rule #8...

[Dr. Who]

That's not the way I take their rule #8...

Who is "their"? You were responding to one of the forum Moderators.

Rule #8 You must provide a link when quoting an article and follow fair use guidelines (you are permitted to copy and paste two to three paragraphs). In addition, do not alter another user's words when quoting them.

I provided both a link and only two pasted paragraphs from that link in post #23 (which is what I linked you to). In case you don't recognize imbedded links, they are text that appears light blue (https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/128262-Government-now-BREEDING-Blacks-San-Francisco-will-pay-pregnant-women-1000-per-month?p=3012438&viewfull=1#post3012438).

[Sybil Ludington]

Who is "their"? You were responding to one of the forum Moderators.

Rule #8 You must provide a link when quoting an article and follow fair use guidelines (you are permitted to copy and paste two to three paragraphs). In addition, do not alter another user's words when quoting them.

I provided both a link and only two pasted paragraphs from that link in post #23 (which is what I linked you to). In case you don't recognize imbedded links, they are text that appears light blue (https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/128262-Government-now-BREEDING-Blacks-San-Francisco-will-pay-pregnant-women-1000-per-month?p=3012438&viewfull=1#post3012438).


I don't see anything on here that says you're a moderator...

[Dr. Who]

I don't see anything on here that says you're a moderator...
I was a moderator here for about 4 years. However the person who responded to you in post #39 ( DGUtley ) is currently a moderator.

[Sybil Ludington]

I was a moderator here for about 4 years. However the person who responded to you in post #39 ( @DGUtley (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2019) ) is currently a moderator.

I wasn't responding to DGUtley, I was responding to YOU, and going by the rules on this site. Does that mean former moderators aren't expected to follow rules like the rest of us?

[Dr. Who]

I wasn't responding to DGUtley, I was responding to YOU, and going by the rules on this site. Does that mean former moderators aren't expected to follow rules like the rest of us?
As you were advised by Mr. Utley - I haven't violated any rules.

[Sybil Ludington]

As you were advised by Mr. Utley - I haven't violated any rules.


Yeah...I get it, dem rules....rules for thee but not me. Yeah, I get it.

[ripmeister]

Yeah...I get it, dem rules....rules for thee but not me. Yeah, I get it.

boo Hoo. Get over it.