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RedStone7476
11-09-2020, 11:08 AM
In an essay that I posted about Trump and the Republican Party which was entitled “How to Remain the Leader of the Republican Party”, I wrote this about Trump’s view of governing:

Think that governing is creating the GREATEST MESS in American history for our next president to clean-up.

As we ALL know, Trump worked diligently 24/7 to do EXACTLY that. And as we ALL know, his diligence paid-off. At a minimum, he created one of the greatest messes in American history for Biden to clean-up. And it is very possible that he created the GREATEST MESS in American history for Biden to clean-up. (Once again, I am reminded of the book entitled “Everything Trump Touches Dies”.)

Thus, in addition to handling the normal process of taking over our government from his predecessor, Biden will ALSO have to clean-up the ABNORMAL mess created by his predecessor.

The abnormal mess (aka, the Trump Mess) includes the following:

- Because he grossly mismanaged the virus in the BEGINNING, and he has CONTINUED to grossly mismanage it, the virus has gotten WAY AHEAD of us and it is NOT under control.

- Because he has grossly mismanaged the virus, our economy is suffering MORE and LONGER than it should be.

- Because he has grossly mismanaged the virus, MORE livelihoods and MORE lives are being lost than there had to be.

- He has convinced his fans that the virus is not very dangerous, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that the virus is under control, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that we are “rounding the corner” on the virus, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that our doctors and our healthcare workers, who are bravely and selflessly combating the virus, are bad people. For example: >He has accused our doctors of faking virus deaths in order to make a few bucks, when there is NO evidence of that. >He has accused our healthcare workers of stealing PPE, when there is NO evidence of that.

- He has been transforming our government into something that resembles his small family business, which had the sole purpose of making money for him at any cost, and over which he had absolute control.

- He gave himself, and his wealthy donors, major tax cuts which have increased our national debt.

- He has gutted a number of our government agencies. Thus, they cannot function as effectively as they should. For example: The State Department; thus, he has undermined our efforts to promote peace and stability in areas of vital interest to the USA.

- He has perverted the purpose of a number of our government agencies. Thus, they cannot function in the way that they should. For example: The CDC and the EPA; thus, he has put our health at risk.

- He has eliminated a number of regulations with no concern about the negative effects of that deregulation. For example: Regulations to protect our air and our water; thus, he has put our health at risk.

- In an effort to rig the 2020 election in his favor, he destroyed millions of dollars worth of Post Office equipment, in order to make the Post Office operate LESS efficiently. Thus, the Post Office will now serve the American people LESS efficiently.

- He has denigrated institutions that make America great and make America safe. As a result, he has convinced his fans that these institutions cannot be trusted. For example: >Our free press; he has called their reports “fake news”, and he has called them “enemies of the people”. >He has called our intelligence agencies “Nazis”.

- He has denigrated federal public servants, who are loyal to our Constitution, who do their jobs well, who are dedicated to serving the American people, and who make America great and make America safe. For example, he has called them the “deep state”. As a result, he has convinced his fans that these public servants cannot be trusted to serve the American people. He has replaced many of these public servants with people are loyal to HIM instead of the Constitution, who do NOT do their jobs well, and who can NOT be trusted to serve the American people.

- Because of the judges that he has nominated, our federal court system is now grossly lopsided. He has transformed it into a “new” system that is designed to oppose safety nets for the poor and the middle class, affordable healthcare for average Americans, the rights of various groups of people, voting rights, worker protections, consumer protections, environmental protections, efforts to combat climate change, and science.

Furthermore: The “new” system is designed to increase the wealth gap between the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy (in other words, to redistribute the wealth from the not-so-wealthy to the wealthy), to serve the needs of a selected few over the needs of the many, and to give more power to a selected few over the many.

- He is trying to repeal Obamacare, and he has no REAL plan to replace it with anything as good or better. Thus, he is trying to take affordable healthcare away from MILLIONS of Americans. This could lead to more bankruptcies and more deaths.

- His trade wars have caused economic harm to many Americans. For example: Many farmers have gone bankrupt; thousands of American jobs have been lost; and US companies have lost over a trillion dollars in the value of their stocks.

- He has divided Americans on Covid, on race and ethnicity, on the unnecessary deaths of blacks, and on anything else his “very good brain” can think of.

- He has convinced his fans that protests against the unnecessary deaths of blacks are incidents of “mob violence”, despite the fact that over 90% of these protests have been peaceful, and despite the fact that there have been cases of violence caused by pro-Trump anarchists who infiltrated the protests.

- After he separated thousands of families at the southern border, with no plan to re-unite them, he is now unable to re-unite many of those families.

- He has separated many American families, with a plan to keep them separated permanently, by deporting people who have been here for many years, back to their native countries which are now foreign to them.

- He has no respect for science. Thus, his decisions that SHOULD have been guided by science were NOT. Here are a few of the consequences: This has lead him to grossly mismanage the virus, to pervert the purpose of the CDC and the EPA, and to eliminate regulations to protect our air and our water.

- He has instilled disrespect for science in his fans, and that has caused some serious negative effects. For example: His fans are ignoring the advice of the medical experts regarding the virus; thus, they have put their lives at risk, and they have put the lives of MANY others at risk.

- He has ignored, and he has undermined, our government scientists, who provide critical science-based information for making important decisions, and for formulating important policies.

- He has undermined our relationships with our allies. For example: The Kurds and NATO; thus, he has put our national security at risk. As a result of his actions, our allies do not trust us, and they do not respect us.

- He has aided nations who are NOT our allies. For example: >He allowed the Russians and the Turks to become the dominant powers in Syria, when he abandoned our allies, the Kurds. >He has allowed China to become the dominate power in eastern Asia. As a result of his actions, nations who are not our allies laugh at us, and they do not respect us.

- He has terminated international agreements, which will have serious negative effects. For example: >He has cut funding to the World Health Organization; thus, he has put our health at risk. >He took us out of the Paris climate agreement; thus, he has put our future generations, and our planet, at risk.

- He has convinced his fans that he, and only he, tells the truth.

- He has instilled a lot of hatred in a lot of people.

- He has convinced his fans that people who oppose him are people who hate America.

- He has convinced his fans that people who dislike him are people who also dislike them.

- He has convinced his fans that the investigations into his efforts to rig the 2016 and 2020 elections were unwarranted, and that the purpose of those investigations were to subvert the will of the American people in the 2016 election.

- He is now trying to convince his fans that the 2020 election was rigged against him, by making BASELESS accusations about the process (e.g., voter fraud), when it was HE who tried to rig the election against Biden.

This list could be longer, but I’m going to stop now.

Biden certainly has the RIGHT experience to take over our government, UNLIKE the experience that Trump had when he took over. For example, prior to being elected as president:
- Biden has extensive experience in government; while Trump had extensive experience in running a small family business (which he ran into the ground six times), and extensive experience in Reality TV.
- Biden has extensive experience in negotiating with politicians in our government on both sides of the aisle; while Trump had extensive experience in negotiating real estate deals, and extensive experience saying “you’re fired”.
- Biden has extensive experience negotiating with international politicians; while Trump had extensive experience overseeing the Miss Universe Pageant.

Biden’s extensive experience in government, and his extensive experience in domestic and international negotiations, should be helpful to him in his efforts to clean-up the Trump Mess. So Biden, with the help of Harris and a bunch of other dedicated and talented people, SHOULD be able to successfully take over our government, AND to successfully clean-up the Trump Mess.

However, it is POSSIBLE that there will be a MAJOR obstacle to Biden’s success. As we ALL know, that possible obstacle is the GOP. IF the GOP decides to put the welfare of our nation OVER politics, then they will be the Grand Old Party, and they will help Biden succeed. But if the GOP decides otherwise, then they will be the Great Obstructionist Party (just like they were during the eight years of the Obama presidency), and they will be a MAJOR obstacle to Biden’s success.

With respect to the Trump Mess, I want to say this: Hey GOP! IT’S TIME TO CLEAN-UP THE MESS! We can NOT afford to wallow in the Trump Mess for another four years. We NEED to get our country back on the RIGHT track. And we NEED to do that ASAP.

For four years, you HELPED Trump create the mess. Now, you need to HELP Biden clean-up the mess.

Cletus
11-09-2020, 12:14 PM
I realize there are people in this country who are not smart enough to understand just how effective President Trump was in office. They are largely the same people who don't understand the concept of limited government or living your life without government holding your hand every step of the way.

Some of them write long, nonsensical screeds on internet forums.

Combine the stupid ones with those who just let blind, irrational hate override reason and cause them to vote for Biden, and we have the source of the shit storm the entire country is about to have to endure over the next 4 years.

Lummy
11-09-2020, 12:32 PM
In an essay that I posted about Trump and the Republican Party which was entitled “How to Remain the Leader of the Republican Party”, I wrote this about Trump’s view of governing:

Think that governing is creating the GREATEST MESS in American history for our next president to clean-up.

For four years, you HELPED Trump create the mess. Now, you need to HELP Biden clean-up the mess.

The reaction of democrats is the mess, so you're saying they should all be removed? That's an idea that will command closer consideration if they don't back down. Biden is nothing but a two-bit hood. He is not the president.

If there is a hint of cohesiveness about him, it would have to be as a greasy spot under the chi-com boot.

carolina73
11-09-2020, 12:39 PM
Democrats intend to clean up the mess.

Get rid of Warp Speed process that apparently gave us a vaccine in 1/6th of the normal time
Get rid of that low black unemployment
Get rid of that low Hispanic unemployment
Get rid of that huge stock market
Get rid of all those small businesses that thrived
Get rid of all those people's ability to defend themselves
Get rid of those police
Get rid of the peace in the Middle East
Get rid of those lower cost for medicine
Get rid of energy Independence

I can keep going all day talking about what Biden promised to destroy.

Captain Obvious
11-09-2020, 12:43 PM
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Davis
11-09-2020, 12:45 PM
I wonder how long it will take to reverse 193 Executive Orders? Getting back in WHO and the Paris Accords will be pretty quick.

Captain Obvious
11-09-2020, 01:38 PM
I expect Biden will drain the sewage pond and fill the swamp back up.

The Booman
11-09-2020, 02:26 PM
Notice how Captain Troll gave us an emotional list of all the naughty things he thinks Trump did but didn't tell us how to fix these supposed naughty things. Aside from that only a true idiot, someone almost magically half witted would claim Trump made the courts lopsided with originalist judges but think Biden and the democrats would not only nominate activist judges. There are actually people here, people who need to wear helmets when they go out that think if the democrats expanded the courts they would nominate both originalist and activist judges all in the name of lopsidedness.

Mom, there are idiots in the garden again!

Captain Obvious
11-09-2020, 02:31 PM
Notice how Captain Troll gave us an emotional list of all the naughty things he thinks Trump did but didn't tell us how to fix these supposed naughty things. Aside from that only a true idiot, someone almost magically half witted would claim Trump made the courts lopsided with originalist judges but think Biden and the democrats would not only nominate activist judges. There are actually people here, people who need to wear helmets when they go out that think if the democrats expanded the courts they would nominate both originalist and activist judges all in the name of lopsidedness.

Mom, there are idiots in the garden again!
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Captdon
11-09-2020, 02:51 PM
I wonder how long it will take to reverse 193 Executive Orders? Getting back in WHO and the Paris Accords will be pretty quick.

Which accomplishes what?

It isn't a treaty so it has no legal standing.

No money will go towards other countries problems.

What would Biden get?

Why do you write such nonsense?

carolina73
11-09-2020, 02:54 PM
Which accomplishes what?

It isn't a treaty so it has no legal standing.

No money will go towards other countries problems.

What would Biden get?

Why do you write such nonsense?

They can't wait to go cuddle with Iran.

Perhaps they will fly them in some more pallets of apology money.

OGIS
11-14-2020, 10:14 AM
I expect Biden will drain the sewage pond and fill the swamp back up.

You DO realize that the swamp is a given, right? The swamp is "us," the seamless web of political and social interconnections from local dogcatcher, PTA board, and mayor on up, all overseen by the "old money" elite, as exemplified by Harvard and Yale.

No, this is not "conspiracy"; it is vested interest and dovetailing agendas. It is normal and natural, in every society and political order ever created. There is a reason that Bush and Kerry were both members of Skull and Bones; the elites, regardless of their political differences, have far more in common with each other than they do with the common herd.

OGIS
11-14-2020, 10:16 AM
They can't wait to go cuddle with Iran.

Perhaps they will fly them in some more pallets of apology money.

Sigh. Once again, that was Iran''s own money, from when Iranian assets were seized.

donttread
11-18-2020, 06:48 PM
In an essay that I posted about Trump and the Republican Party which was entitled “How to Remain the Leader of the Republican Party”, I wrote this about Trump’s view of governing:

Think that governing is creating the GREATEST MESS in American history for our next president to clean-up.

As we ALL know, Trump worked diligently 24/7 to do EXACTLY that. And as we ALL know, his diligence paid-off. At a minimum, he created one of the greatest messes in American history for Biden to clean-up. And it is very possible that he created the GREATEST MESS in American history for Biden to clean-up. (Once again, I am reminded of the book entitled “Everything Trump Touches Dies”.)

Thus, in addition to handling the normal process of taking over our government from his predecessor, Biden will ALSO have to clean-up the ABNORMAL mess created by his predecessor.

The abnormal mess (aka, the Trump Mess) includes the following:

- Because he grossly mismanaged the virus in the BEGINNING, and he has CONTINUED to grossly mismanage it, the virus has gotten WAY AHEAD of us and it is NOT under control.

- Because he has grossly mismanaged the virus, our economy is suffering MORE and LONGER than it should be.

- Because he has grossly mismanaged the virus, MORE livelihoods and MORE lives are being lost than there had to be.

- He has convinced his fans that the virus is not very dangerous, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that the virus is under control, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that we are “rounding the corner” on the virus, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that our doctors and our healthcare workers, who are bravely and selflessly combating the virus, are bad people. For example: >He has accused our doctors of faking virus deaths in order to make a few bucks, when there is NO evidence of that. >He has accused our healthcare workers of stealing PPE, when there is NO evidence of that.

- He has been transforming our government into something that resembles his small family business, which had the sole purpose of making money for him at any cost, and over which he had absolute control.

- He gave himself, and his wealthy donors, major tax cuts which have increased our national debt.

- He has gutted a number of our government agencies. Thus, they cannot function as effectively as they should. For example: The State Department; thus, he has undermined our efforts to promote peace and stability in areas of vital interest to the USA.

- He has perverted the purpose of a number of our government agencies. Thus, they cannot function in the way that they should. For example: The CDC and the EPA; thus, he has put our health at risk.

- He has eliminated a number of regulations with no concern about the negative effects of that deregulation. For example: Regulations to protect our air and our water; thus, he has put our health at risk.

- In an effort to rig the 2020 election in his favor, he destroyed millions of dollars worth of Post Office equipment, in order to make the Post Office operate LESS efficiently. Thus, the Post Office will now serve the American people LESS efficiently.

- He has denigrated institutions that make America great and make America safe. As a result, he has convinced his fans that these institutions cannot be trusted. For example: >Our free press; he has called their reports “fake news”, and he has called them “enemies of the people”. >He has called our intelligence agencies “Nazis”.

- He has denigrated federal public servants, who are loyal to our Constitution, who do their jobs well, who are dedicated to serving the American people, and who make America great and make America safe. For example, he has called them the “deep state”. As a result, he has convinced his fans that these public servants cannot be trusted to serve the American people. He has replaced many of these public servants with people are loyal to HIM instead of the Constitution, who do NOT do their jobs well, and who can NOT be trusted to serve the American people.

- Because of the judges that he has nominated, our federal court system is now grossly lopsided. He has transformed it into a “new” system that is designed to oppose safety nets for the poor and the middle class, affordable healthcare for average Americans, the rights of various groups of people, voting rights, worker protections, consumer protections, environmental protections, efforts to combat climate change, and science.

Furthermore: The “new” system is designed to increase the wealth gap between the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy (in other words, to redistribute the wealth from the not-so-wealthy to the wealthy), to serve the needs of a selected few over the needs of the many, and to give more power to a selected few over the many.

- He is trying to repeal Obamacare, and he has no REAL plan to replace it with anything as good or better. Thus, he is trying to take affordable healthcare away from MILLIONS of Americans. This could lead to more bankruptcies and more deaths.

- His trade wars have caused economic harm to many Americans. For example: Many farmers have gone bankrupt; thousands of American jobs have been lost; and US companies have lost over a trillion dollars in the value of their stocks.

- He has divided Americans on Covid, on race and ethnicity, on the unnecessary deaths of blacks, and on anything else his “very good brain” can think of.

- He has convinced his fans that protests against the unnecessary deaths of blacks are incidents of “mob violence”, despite the fact that over 90% of these protests have been peaceful, and despite the fact that there have been cases of violence caused by pro-Trump anarchists who infiltrated the protests.

- After he separated thousands of families at the southern border, with no plan to re-unite them, he is now unable to re-unite many of those families.

- He has separated many American families, with a plan to keep them separated permanently, by deporting people who have been here for many years, back to their native countries which are now foreign to them.

- He has no respect for science. Thus, his decisions that SHOULD have been guided by science were NOT. Here are a few of the consequences: This has lead him to grossly mismanage the virus, to pervert the purpose of the CDC and the EPA, and to eliminate regulations to protect our air and our water.

- He has instilled disrespect for science in his fans, and that has caused some serious negative effects. For example: His fans are ignoring the advice of the medical experts regarding the virus; thus, they have put their lives at risk, and they have put the lives of MANY others at risk.

- He has ignored, and he has undermined, our government scientists, who provide critical science-based information for making important decisions, and for formulating important policies.

- He has undermined our relationships with our allies. For example: The Kurds and NATO; thus, he has put our national security at risk. As a result of his actions, our allies do not trust us, and they do not respect us.

- He has aided nations who are NOT our allies. For example: >He allowed the Russians and the Turks to become the dominant powers in Syria, when he abandoned our allies, the Kurds. >He has allowed China to become the dominate power in eastern Asia. As a result of his actions, nations who are not our allies laugh at us, and they do not respect us.

- He has terminated international agreements, which will have serious negative effects. For example: >He has cut funding to the World Health Organization; thus, he has put our health at risk. >He took us out of the Paris climate agreement; thus, he has put our future generations, and our planet, at risk.

- He has convinced his fans that he, and only he, tells the truth.

- He has instilled a lot of hatred in a lot of people.

- He has convinced his fans that people who oppose him are people who hate America.

- He has convinced his fans that people who dislike him are people who also dislike them.

- He has convinced his fans that the investigations into his efforts to rig the 2016 and 2020 elections were unwarranted, and that the purpose of those investigations were to subvert the will of the American people in the 2016 election.

- He is now trying to convince his fans that the 2020 election was rigged against him, by making BASELESS accusations about the process (e.g., voter fraud), when it was HE who tried to rig the election against Biden.

This list could be longer, but I’m going to stop now.

Biden certainly has the RIGHT experience to take over our government, UNLIKE the experience that Trump had when he took over. For example, prior to being elected as president:
- Biden has extensive experience in government; while Trump had extensive experience in running a small family business (which he ran into the ground six times), and extensive experience in Reality TV.
- Biden has extensive experience in negotiating with politicians in our government on both sides of the aisle; while Trump had extensive experience in negotiating real estate deals, and extensive experience saying “you’re fired”.
- Biden has extensive experience negotiating with international politicians; while Trump had extensive experience overseeing the Miss Universe Pageant.

Biden’s extensive experience in government, and his extensive experience in domestic and international negotiations, should be helpful to him in his efforts to clean-up the Trump Mess. So Biden, with the help of Harris and a bunch of other dedicated and talented people, SHOULD be able to successfully take over our government, AND to successfully clean-up the Trump Mess.

However, it is POSSIBLE that there will be a MAJOR obstacle to Biden’s success. As we ALL know, that possible obstacle is the GOP. IF the GOP decides to put the welfare of our nation OVER politics, then they will be the Grand Old Party, and they will help Biden succeed. But if the GOP decides otherwise, then they will be the Great Obstructionist Party (just like they were during the eight years of the Obama presidency), and they will be a MAJOR obstacle to Biden’s success.

With respect to the Trump Mess, I want to say this: Hey GOP! IT’S TIME TO CLEAN-UP THE MESS! We can NOT afford to wallow in the Trump Mess for another four years. We NEED to get our country back on the RIGHT track. And we NEED to do that ASAP.

For four years, you HELPED Trump create the mess. Now, you need to HELP Biden clean-up the mess.


Obsessed with the virus eh? So are many others. It comes from listening to sources like CNN. The sources that won't tell you the truth. Truths like these.
1) Children are far safer from Corona then they are from the flu and this was understood very early on.
2) Working age people as a group are more likely to die in a traffic accident vs COVID 19
3) Even if all deaths credited to COVID are people truly killed by COVID they won't raise the national death toll for 2020 even 10%. MAYBE 10% more people will die this year than usual ( and that includes all those fear and lockdown created deaths of dispair)
4) Social distancing etc was and remains unproven as it has been been forced on healthy people on a large scale
5) Neil Ferguson's sky is falling death estimate of 2.2 million in America was from a bad model that couldn't reproduce his results reliablly, but which world organizations and politicians who could benefit from doing so were quick to accept was downgraded to less than 10% of that number in EARLY April. a number much, much closer to the death count attributed to the virus
6) It was two weeks to flatten the curve. Not if we do this we can save lives. It's a communicable disease for God's sake.
7) The only politicians with either blood on their hands or saves to their credit ( despite what they all claim) are the dictator governors that sent Corona to the one place where it could kill in numbers. Nursing Homes. No way that made any sense at all.
8) With few megacity exceptions which were covered with hospital ships and other measures ( not that they were needed) hospitals were UNDERwhelmed to the point of potentially closing.

John Galt
11-18-2020, 06:52 PM
Democrats intend to clean up the mess.

Get rid of Warp Speed process that apparently gave us a vaccine in 1/6th of the normal time
Get rid of that low black unemployment
Get rid of that low Hispanic unemployment
Get rid of that huge stock market
Get rid of all those small businesses that thrived
Get rid of all those people's ability to defend themselves
Get rid of those police
Get rid of the peace in the Middle East
Get rid of those lower cost for medicine
Get rid of energy Independence

I can keep going all day talking about what Biden promised to destroy.

LOL. Get rid of the Obama era successes that trump took credit for?


I don't think that this is what the OP is talking about.

John Galt
11-18-2020, 06:54 PM
They can't wait to go cuddle with Iran.

Perhaps they will fly them in some more pallets of apology money.Iran now has 13 times the radioactive material than they had before trump's Obama envy caused him to pull out of the treaty.

Winning!!!

OGIS
11-18-2020, 07:29 PM
In an essay that I posted about Trump and the Republican Party which was entitled “How to Remain the Leader of the Republican Party”, I wrote this about Trump’s view of governing:

Think that governing is creating the GREATEST MESS in American history for our next president to clean-up.

As we ALL know, Trump worked diligently 24/7 to do EXACTLY that. And as we ALL know, his diligence paid-off. At a minimum, he created one of the greatest messes in American history for Biden to clean-up. And it is very possible that he created the GREATEST MESS in American history for Biden to clean-up. (Once again, I am reminded of the book entitled “Everything Trump Touches Dies”.)

Thus, in addition to handling the normal process of taking over our government from his predecessor, Biden will ALSO have to clean-up the ABNORMAL mess created by his predecessor.

The abnormal mess (aka, the Trump Mess) includes the following:

- Because he grossly mismanaged the virus in the BEGINNING, and he has CONTINUED to grossly mismanage it, the virus has gotten WAY AHEAD of us and it is NOT under control.

- Because he has grossly mismanaged the virus, our economy is suffering MORE and LONGER than it should be.

- Because he has grossly mismanaged the virus, MORE livelihoods and MORE lives are being lost than there had to be.

- He has convinced his fans that the virus is not very dangerous, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that the virus is under control, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that we are “rounding the corner” on the virus, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that our doctors and our healthcare workers, who are bravely and selflessly combating the virus, are bad people. For example: >He has accused our doctors of faking virus deaths in order to make a few bucks, when there is NO evidence of that. >He has accused our healthcare workers of stealing PPE, when there is NO evidence of that.

- He has been transforming our government into something that resembles his small family business, which had the sole purpose of making money for him at any cost, and over which he had absolute control.

- He gave himself, and his wealthy donors, major tax cuts which have increased our national debt.

- He has gutted a number of our government agencies. Thus, they cannot function as effectively as they should. For example: The State Department; thus, he has undermined our efforts to promote peace and stability in areas of vital interest to the USA.

- He has perverted the purpose of a number of our government agencies. Thus, they cannot function in the way that they should. For example: The CDC and the EPA; thus, he has put our health at risk.

- He has eliminated a number of regulations with no concern about the negative effects of that deregulation. For example: Regulations to protect our air and our water; thus, he has put our health at risk.

- In an effort to rig the 2020 election in his favor, he destroyed millions of dollars worth of Post Office equipment, in order to make the Post Office operate LESS efficiently. Thus, the Post Office will now serve the American people LESS efficiently.

- He has denigrated institutions that make America great and make America safe. As a result, he has convinced his fans that these institutions cannot be trusted. For example: >Our free press; he has called their reports “fake news”, and he has called them “enemies of the people”. >He has called our intelligence agencies “Nazis”.

- He has denigrated federal public servants, who are loyal to our Constitution, who do their jobs well, who are dedicated to serving the American people, and who make America great and make America safe. For example, he has called them the “deep state”. As a result, he has convinced his fans that these public servants cannot be trusted to serve the American people. He has replaced many of these public servants with people are loyal to HIM instead of the Constitution, who do NOT do their jobs well, and who can NOT be trusted to serve the American people.

- Because of the judges that he has nominated, our federal court system is now grossly lopsided. He has transformed it into a “new” system that is designed to oppose safety nets for the poor and the middle class, affordable healthcare for average Americans, the rights of various groups of people, voting rights, worker protections, consumer protections, environmental protections, efforts to combat climate change, and science.

Furthermore: The “new” system is designed to increase the wealth gap between the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy (in other words, to redistribute the wealth from the not-so-wealthy to the wealthy), to serve the needs of a selected few over the needs of the many, and to give more power to a selected few over the many.

- He is trying to repeal Obamacare, and he has no REAL plan to replace it with anything as good or better. Thus, he is trying to take affordable healthcare away from MILLIONS of Americans. This could lead to more bankruptcies and more deaths.

- His trade wars have caused economic harm to many Americans. For example: Many farmers have gone bankrupt; thousands of American jobs have been lost; and US companies have lost over a trillion dollars in the value of their stocks.

- He has divided Americans on Covid, on race and ethnicity, on the unnecessary deaths of blacks, and on anything else his “very good brain” can think of.

- He has convinced his fans that protests against the unnecessary deaths of blacks are incidents of “mob violence”, despite the fact that over 90% of these protests have been peaceful, and despite the fact that there have been cases of violence caused by pro-Trump anarchists who infiltrated the protests.

- After he separated thousands of families at the southern border, with no plan to re-unite them, he is now unable to re-unite many of those families.

- He has separated many American families, with a plan to keep them separated permanently, by deporting people who have been here for many years, back to their native countries which are now foreign to them.

- He has no respect for science. Thus, his decisions that SHOULD have been guided by science were NOT. Here are a few of the consequences: This has lead him to grossly mismanage the virus, to pervert the purpose of the CDC and the EPA, and to eliminate regulations to protect our air and our water.

- He has instilled disrespect for science in his fans, and that has caused some serious negative effects. For example: His fans are ignoring the advice of the medical experts regarding the virus; thus, they have put their lives at risk, and they have put the lives of MANY others at risk.

- He has ignored, and he has undermined, our government scientists, who provide critical science-based information for making important decisions, and for formulating important policies.

- He has undermined our relationships with our allies. For example: The Kurds and NATO; thus, he has put our national security at risk. As a result of his actions, our allies do not trust us, and they do not respect us.

- He has aided nations who are NOT our allies. For example: >He allowed the Russians and the Turks to become the dominant powers in Syria, when he abandoned our allies, the Kurds. >He has allowed China to become the dominate power in eastern Asia. As a result of his actions, nations who are not our allies laugh at us, and they do not respect us.

- He has terminated international agreements, which will have serious negative effects. For example: >He has cut funding to the World Health Organization; thus, he has put our health at risk. >He took us out of the Paris climate agreement; thus, he has put our future generations, and our planet, at risk.

- He has convinced his fans that he, and only he, tells the truth.

- He has instilled a lot of hatred in a lot of people.

- He has convinced his fans that people who oppose him are people who hate America.

- He has convinced his fans that people who dislike him are people who also dislike them.

- He has convinced his fans that the investigations into his efforts to rig the 2016 and 2020 elections were unwarranted, and that the purpose of those investigations were to subvert the will of the American people in the 2016 election.

- He is now trying to convince his fans that the 2020 election was rigged against him, by making BASELESS accusations about the process (e.g., voter fraud), when it was HE who tried to rig the election against Biden.

This list could be longer, but I’m going to stop now.

Biden certainly has the RIGHT experience to take over our government, UNLIKE the experience that Trump had when he took over. For example, prior to being elected as president:
- Biden has extensive experience in government; while Trump had extensive experience in running a small family business (which he ran into the ground six times), and extensive experience in Reality TV.
- Biden has extensive experience in negotiating with politicians in our government on both sides of the aisle; while Trump had extensive experience in negotiating real estate deals, and extensive experience saying “you’re fired”.
- Biden has extensive experience negotiating with international politicians; while Trump had extensive experience overseeing the Miss Universe Pageant.

Biden’s extensive experience in government, and his extensive experience in domestic and international negotiations, should be helpful to him in his efforts to clean-up the Trump Mess. So Biden, with the help of Harris and a bunch of other dedicated and talented people, SHOULD be able to successfully take over our government, AND to successfully clean-up the Trump Mess.

However, it is POSSIBLE that there will be a MAJOR obstacle to Biden’s success. As we ALL know, that possible obstacle is the GOP. IF the GOP decides to put the welfare of our nation OVER politics, then they will be the Grand Old Party, and they will help Biden succeed. But if the GOP decides otherwise, then they will be the Great Obstructionist Party (just like they were during the eight years of the Obama presidency), and they will be a MAJOR obstacle to Biden’s success.

With respect to the Trump Mess, I want to say this: Hey GOP! IT’S TIME TO CLEAN-UP THE MESS! We can NOT afford to wallow in the Trump Mess for another four years. We NEED to get our country back on the RIGHT track. And we NEED to do that ASAP.

For four years, you HELPED Trump create the mess. Now, you need to HELP Biden clean-up the mess.


I actually think it may not be fixable. A decade from now, historians may mark tЯump's reign as a historical turning point both in (1) the concept of American federalism, and (2) American "clout" in the world.

First, notice the recent use of "regional compacts" if fighting the pandemic. Under tЯump, the federal government abrogated what many saw as an ongoing overarching responsibility. Remember tЯump's infamous "I don't take responsibility at all'? And many states went ahead and took him at his word. Under the relentless onslaught of groups like the Federalist Society, we may see a gradual eclipsing of "will" for centralized federal power.

And that may not be a bad thing. A return to a new "Articles of Confederation" with regional alliances, rather than just states, might be in the offing.

California is - what? - the fifth largest economy on the planet? Add in the other western blue states (carving out the "dirt road" MAGAt counties in the eastern parts of the states to go their own ways) and you have an economic powerhouse second to none.

Conversely, the Midwest and Bible Belt South could decide to go with their own Theocratic desires.

Texas, of course, would go its own way.

As would New York/New Jersey.

All loosely aligned with each other under a common (but weak) federal umbrella.

Why the hell not?
Second, why in the world would Europe, anyone in the Middle East, or Asia trust us again for anything? tЯump showed how easily the US could go off the rails. Better to "go it alone" so as to avoid unpleasant surprises.

The future may be a moribund "United States" with a near-bankrupt federal government and loose regional alliances of states pursuing their own agendas and even foreign policy.

Again, this cartoon is apropos:

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Tahuyaman
11-18-2020, 07:34 PM
LOL. Get rid of the Obama era successes that trump took credit for?


I don't think that this is what the OP is talking about.
What successes? The slowest recovery in American history?

donttread
11-19-2020, 08:21 AM
Iran now has 13 times the radioactive material than they had before trump's Obama envy caused him to pull out of the treaty.

Winning!!!


Congrats you had to reach pretty far for a foriegn policy item to make Obama look good didn't you?
But Obama took his premature peace prize and made 8 straight years of war including frequent drone bombing of allied villages where he thought maybe a terrorist number 200 man was hanging out. Kids in those villages who lived grew up with a rather bad opinion of America ensuring terrorist creation for another generation.
In fact it's obvious to me that Trump's foriegn policy is a big part of why the swamp hates him so much, both the neo-libs and the neo-cons. He's no real entrenched Donkephan after all! He was the first president in a long time to:
1) Not start new wars ( even to try to win an election)
2) Bring troops home as they all promise
3) Not to mention bringing manufacturing back. Also promised and undelivered by Bushbama and other members of the "unholy two"

Turns out ALL of that is bad for the influence for sale business.

donttread
11-19-2020, 01:43 PM
I realize there are people in this country who are not smart enough to understand just how effective President Trump was in office. They are largely the same people who don't understand the concept of limited government or living your life without government holding your hand every step of the way.

Some of them write long, nonsensical screeds on internet forums.

Combine the stupid ones with those who just let blind, irrational hate override reason and cause them to vote for Biden, and we have the source of the shit storm the entire country is about to have to endure over the next 4 years.



It's not an IQ thing. It's a tribal thing. Had we not all allowed ourselves to become so very polarized this year could have never happened. To even set up for the steal they had to take the polarization to a new level. But the polarization itself was on all of us. With the help of media and universiities they drove the polarization to such a point where they're tribe would hide from a .2 % death rate virus that pretty much leaves the young alone, support politicians who allowed their cities to live in fear and riots all summer long.
This was not about facts, logic or intelligence. It was about such tribal loyalty that enough people would vote for a demented old man whom they wouldn't leave alone with the children. Somehow they got these willy nilly mail to old addresses ballots approved and then did their vote dumps. I believe there are collaborators as Trump is almost a third party pres so he was able to decrease war and bring back manufacturing. Things Mainstream donkephants have promised and failed to deliver for years.
Cons are more vulnerabl;e to do the same than we.
If tribalism lives the country dies.

Cotton1
11-19-2020, 01:50 PM
In an essay that I posted about Trump and the Republican Party which was entitled “How to Remain the Leader of the Republican Party”, I wrote this about Trump’s view of governing:

Think that governing is creating the GREATEST MESS in American history for our next president to clean-up.

As we ALL know, Trump worked diligently 24/7 to do EXACTLY that. And as we ALL know, his diligence paid-off. At a minimum, he created one of the greatest messes in American history for Biden to clean-up. And it is very possible that he created the GREATEST MESS in American history for Biden to clean-up. (Once again, I am reminded of the book entitled “Everything Trump Touches Dies”.)

Thus, in addition to handling the normal process of taking over our government from his predecessor, Biden will ALSO have to clean-up the ABNORMAL mess created by his predecessor.

The abnormal mess (aka, the Trump Mess) includes the following:

- Because he grossly mismanaged the virus in the BEGINNING, and he has CONTINUED to grossly mismanage it, the virus has gotten WAY AHEAD of us and it is NOT under control.

- Because he has grossly mismanaged the virus, our economy is suffering MORE and LONGER than it should be.

- Because he has grossly mismanaged the virus, MORE livelihoods and MORE lives are being lost than there had to be.

- He has convinced his fans that the virus is not very dangerous, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that the virus is under control, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that we are “rounding the corner” on the virus, which contradicts what the medical experts are saying.

- He has convinced his fans that our doctors and our healthcare workers, who are bravely and selflessly combating the virus, are bad people. For example: >He has accused our doctors of faking virus deaths in order to make a few bucks, when there is NO evidence of that. >He has accused our healthcare workers of stealing PPE, when there is NO evidence of that.

- He has been transforming our government into something that resembles his small family business, which had the sole purpose of making money for him at any cost, and over which he had absolute control.

- He gave himself, and his wealthy donors, major tax cuts which have increased our national debt.

- He has gutted a number of our government agencies. Thus, they cannot function as effectively as they should. For example: The State Department; thus, he has undermined our efforts to promote peace and stability in areas of vital interest to the USA.

- He has perverted the purpose of a number of our government agencies. Thus, they cannot function in the way that they should. For example: The CDC and the EPA; thus, he has put our health at risk.

- He has eliminated a number of regulations with no concern about the negative effects of that deregulation. For example: Regulations to protect our air and our water; thus, he has put our health at risk.

- In an effort to rig the 2020 election in his favor, he destroyed millions of dollars worth of Post Office equipment, in order to make the Post Office operate LESS efficiently. Thus, the Post Office will now serve the American people LESS efficiently.

- He has denigrated institutions that make America great and make America safe. As a result, he has convinced his fans that these institutions cannot be trusted. For example: >Our free press; he has called their reports “fake news”, and he has called them “enemies of the people”. >He has called our intelligence agencies “Nazis”.

- He has denigrated federal public servants, who are loyal to our Constitution, who do their jobs well, who are dedicated to serving the American people, and who make America great and make America safe. For example, he has called them the “deep state”. As a result, he has convinced his fans that these public servants cannot be trusted to serve the American people. He has replaced many of these public servants with people are loyal to HIM instead of the Constitution, who do NOT do their jobs well, and who can NOT be trusted to serve the American people.

- Because of the judges that he has nominated, our federal court system is now grossly lopsided. He has transformed it into a “new” system that is designed to oppose safety nets for the poor and the middle class, affordable healthcare for average Americans, the rights of various groups of people, voting rights, worker protections, consumer protections, environmental protections, efforts to combat climate change, and science.

Furthermore: The “new” system is designed to increase the wealth gap between the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy (in other words, to redistribute the wealth from the not-so-wealthy to the wealthy), to serve the needs of a selected few over the needs of the many, and to give more power to a selected few over the many.

- He is trying to repeal Obamacare, and he has no REAL plan to replace it with anything as good or better. Thus, he is trying to take affordable healthcare away from MILLIONS of Americans. This could lead to more bankruptcies and more deaths.

- His trade wars have caused economic harm to many Americans. For example: Many farmers have gone bankrupt; thousands of American jobs have been lost; and US companies have lost over a trillion dollars in the value of their stocks.

- He has divided Americans on Covid, on race and ethnicity, on the unnecessary deaths of blacks, and on anything else his “very good brain” can think of.

- He has convinced his fans that protests against the unnecessary deaths of blacks are incidents of “mob violence”, despite the fact that over 90% of these protests have been peaceful, and despite the fact that there have been cases of violence caused by pro-Trump anarchists who infiltrated the protests.

- After he separated thousands of families at the southern border, with no plan to re-unite them, he is now unable to re-unite many of those families.

- He has separated many American families, with a plan to keep them separated permanently, by deporting people who have been here for many years, back to their native countries which are now foreign to them.

- He has no respect for science. Thus, his decisions that SHOULD have been guided by science were NOT. Here are a few of the consequences: This has lead him to grossly mismanage the virus, to pervert the purpose of the CDC and the EPA, and to eliminate regulations to protect our air and our water.

- He has instilled disrespect for science in his fans, and that has caused some serious negative effects. For example: His fans are ignoring the advice of the medical experts regarding the virus; thus, they have put their lives at risk, and they have put the lives of MANY others at risk.

- He has ignored, and he has undermined, our government scientists, who provide critical science-based information for making important decisions, and for formulating important policies.

- He has undermined our relationships with our allies. For example: The Kurds and NATO; thus, he has put our national security at risk. As a result of his actions, our allies do not trust us, and they do not respect us.

- He has aided nations who are NOT our allies. For example: >He allowed the Russians and the Turks to become the dominant powers in Syria, when he abandoned our allies, the Kurds. >He has allowed China to become the dominate power in eastern Asia. As a result of his actions, nations who are not our allies laugh at us, and they do not respect us.

- He has terminated international agreements, which will have serious negative effects. For example: >He has cut funding to the World Health Organization; thus, he has put our health at risk. >He took us out of the Paris climate agreement; thus, he has put our future generations, and our planet, at risk.

- He has convinced his fans that he, and only he, tells the truth.

- He has instilled a lot of hatred in a lot of people.

- He has convinced his fans that people who oppose him are people who hate America.

- He has convinced his fans that people who dislike him are people who also dislike them.

- He has convinced his fans that the investigations into his efforts to rig the 2016 and 2020 elections were unwarranted, and that the purpose of those investigations were to subvert the will of the American people in the 2016 election.

- He is now trying to convince his fans that the 2020 election was rigged against him, by making BASELESS accusations about the process (e.g., voter fraud), when it was HE who tried to rig the election against Biden.

This list could be longer, but I’m going to stop now.

Biden certainly has the RIGHT experience to take over our government, UNLIKE the experience that Trump had when he took over. For example, prior to being elected as president:
- Biden has extensive experience in government; while Trump had extensive experience in running a small family business (which he ran into the ground six times), and extensive experience in Reality TV.
- Biden has extensive experience in negotiating with politicians in our government on both sides of the aisle; while Trump had extensive experience in negotiating real estate deals, and extensive experience saying “you’re fired”.
- Biden has extensive experience negotiating with international politicians; while Trump had extensive experience overseeing the Miss Universe Pageant.

Biden’s extensive experience in government, and his extensive experience in domestic and international negotiations, should be helpful to him in his efforts to clean-up the Trump Mess. So Biden, with the help of Harris and a bunch of other dedicated and talented people, SHOULD be able to successfully take over our government, AND to successfully clean-up the Trump Mess.

However, it is POSSIBLE that there will be a MAJOR obstacle to Biden’s success. As we ALL know, that possible obstacle is the GOP. IF the GOP decides to put the welfare of our nation OVER politics, then they will be the Grand Old Party, and they will help Biden succeed. But if the GOP decides otherwise, then they will be the Great Obstructionist Party (just like they were during the eight years of the Obama presidency), and they will be a MAJOR obstacle to Biden’s success.

With respect to the Trump Mess, I want to say this: Hey GOP! IT’S TIME TO CLEAN-UP THE MESS! We can NOT afford to wallow in the Trump Mess for another four years. We NEED to get our country back on the RIGHT track. And we NEED to do that ASAP.

For four years, you HELPED Trump create the mess. Now, you need to HELP Biden clean-up the mess.

Already making excuses for Biden lol