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OGIS
11-19-2020, 07:00 PM
The total incompetence of Trump's legal team is only part of the reason for Trump's inability to pull off a coup by throwing out enough ballots, though. Yes, it's hard to imagine the administration that brought us the Four Seasons Total Landscaping news conference being able to pull off something so complicated. But the larger reason his coup is failing is that our democratic institutions are withstanding his onslaught. (https://www.chron.com/opinion/article/Trump-is-failing-because-institutions-are-holding-15740798.php)

Calypso Jones
11-19-2020, 07:07 PM
No...it's not. Just because the lying fake media is blacking out any developments on this does not mean it is failing... The information is still out there and you are not going to get away with this theft of an election. This country is not ready to be a socialist Sh** hole with crooks, liars and thieves running it.

Davis
11-19-2020, 07:07 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/4n22xv.jpg

Calypso Jones
11-19-2020, 07:08 PM
https://noqreport.com/2020/11/19/confidence-exudes-from-trump-attorneys-during-press-conference-laying-out-evidence/

MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD. America is not going to sit still for this.

The Booman
11-19-2020, 07:08 PM
LOL. Thirst time in history someone already in power is attempting a coup.:rollseyes:

Davis
11-19-2020, 07:13 PM
LOL. Thirst time in history someone already in power is attempting a coup.:rollseyes:
Hardly the first time a ruling party has attempted to ignore the results of a lawful election and deny the will of the people.

Probably not even the first time this year.

First time in American history, sadly, and pathetic sheep are cheering it on.

It makes me puke.

OGIS
11-19-2020, 07:39 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/4n22xv.jpg


Third possibility: leaking brain matter.

OGIS
11-19-2020, 07:39 PM
https://noqreport.com/2020/11/19/confidence-exudes-from-trump-attorneys-during-press-conference-laying-out-evidence/

massive voter fraud. America is not going to sit still for this.

lol.

OGIS
11-19-2020, 07:40 PM
lol. Thirst time in history someone already in power is attempting a coup.:rollseyes:

drink!

Peter1469
11-20-2020, 05:28 AM
Third possibility: leaking brain matter.
Spinal fluid is clear.

Calypso Jones
11-20-2020, 05:38 AM
Hardly the first time a ruling party has attempted to ignore the results of a lawful election and deny the will of the people.

Probably not even the first time this year.

First time in American history, sadly, and pathetic sheep are cheering it on.

It makes me puke.
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the Will of the people was that Mr. Trump has another four years. Democrats can't win except by cheating and the evidence is all around. They overplayed their hand trying to manufacture votes to overcome President Trump's lead. We all know this. Your side is still lying, still hiding, Domino employees disappearing, has the media promoting lies and even has rino never trump traitors aiding you. It's disgusting to know what the left has attempted. Puke is right.

Commies, liars, cheats are not going to turn this nation into another Venezuela. Y'all cheated and you're desperate.

Davis
11-20-2020, 05:40 AM
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the Will of the people was that Mr. Trump has another four years. Democrats can't win except by cheating and the evidence is all around. They overplayed their hand trying to manufacture votes to overcome President Trump's lead. We all know this. Your side is still lying, still hiding, Domino employees disappearing, has the media promoting lies and even has rino never trump traitors aiding you. It's disgusting to know what the left has attempted. Puke is right.

Commies, liars, cheats are not going to turn this nation into another Venezuela. Y'all cheated and you're desperate.

:rofl:

Get a new shtick. This one's shopworn.

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 10:41 AM
No...it's not. Just because the lying fake media is blacking out any developments on this does not mean it is failing... The information is still out there and you are not going to get away with this theft of an election. This country is not ready to be a socialist Sh** hole with crooks, liars and thieves running it.
The voter fraud by the Democrats was massive, widespread, diversified, planned and coordinated.

Davis
12-01-2020, 11:00 AM
No...it's not. Just because the lying fake media is blacking out any developments on this does not mean it is failing... The information is still out there and you are not going to get away with this theft of an election. This country is not ready to be a socialist Sh** hole with crooks, liars and thieves running it.
It's not failing. It's failed.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 11:26 AM
The voter fraud by the Democrats was massive, widespread, diversified, planned and coordinated.

And carried out by invisible aliens who left ABSOLUTELY NO TRACES OR EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!

Please.

BTW, whose sock are you? Maybe Reason10, as he said he would leave the forum if Biden won? We shall see.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 11:27 AM
No...it's not. Just because the lying fake media is blacking out any developments on this does not mean it is failing... The information is still out there and you are not going to get away with this theft of an election. This country is not ready to be a socialist Sh** hole with crooks, liars and thieves running it.

Maybe you had better move to the Libertarian paradise of Somalia.

PJL
12-01-2020, 11:34 AM
Fraud ? ......what fraud ? .......I see no fraud !

OGIS
12-01-2020, 12:07 PM
Fraud ? ......what fraud ? .......I see no fraud !

That's because it was done by magicians. With the help of Satan. (I'm sure this will be the next excuse offered by Rudy.)

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 12:09 PM
The total incompetence of Trump's legal team is only part of the reason for Trump's inability to pull off a coup by throwing out enough ballots, though. Yes, it's hard to imagine the administration that brought us the Four Seasons Total Landscaping news conference being able to pull off something so complicated. But the larger reason his coup is failing is that our democratic institutions are withstanding his onslaught. (https://www.chron.com/opinion/article/Trump-is-failing-because-institutions-are-holding-15740798.php)

Lets make a little correction: Trump is failing because corrupted institutions are holding strong against him.

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 12:12 PM
:rofl:

Get a new shtick. This one's shopworn.

I notice how the Libs revel and celebrate while the entire fabric of our Nation is being shredded.

Trish
12-01-2020, 12:24 PM
The past 4 years has been a dry run from the republican leadership to identify the weak points in our democratic institutions and practices and figure out how to topple them in the coming years. The activities and talking points that this Administration and the republican leadership have adopted and proactively used is a blueprint for taking away the rights of the citizen. It's a very familiar playbook that many authoritarian countries have used. It's unfortunate that they've been able to recruit so many Americans to go along with this plan. They know not what they do.........

OGIS
12-01-2020, 12:26 PM
Lets make a little correction: Trump is failing because corrupted institutions are holding strong against him.

Evidence? You have none.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 12:26 PM
I notice how the Libs revel and celebrate while the entire fabric of our Nation is being shredded.
Need a hankie?

OGIS
12-01-2020, 12:37 PM
The past 4 years has been a dry run from the republican leadership to identify the weak points in our democratic institutions and practices and figure out how to topple them in the coming years. The activities and talking points that this Administration and the republican leadership have adopted and proactively used is a blueprint for taking away the rights of the citizen. It's a very familiar playbook that many authoritarian countries have used. It's unfortunate that they've been able to recruit so many Americans to go along with this plan. They know not what they do.........

This.

Trump is an incompetent midiot, who surrounds himself with more incompetent idiots. What is terrifying to me is what the future holds: an intelligent and competent Totalitarian Republican (or, to be fair, Democrat*) who games the system, using what has been learned from the last four years.
*Given the current demographics of the country, not nearly as likely as a Republican, but still possible.

Nations follow certain historical rules/guidelines. And if you look at the broad sweep of history, you will see that nation-states and democracy are anomalies. We've had a good run as a Democratic Republic and (since the end of WWII) as a world-girdling empire. We are nearing the time of gradual degradation, where our power will be propped up by authoritarian, and then totalitarian rule. And then the collapse.

It will be a slow collapse, a bureaucratic collapse, with bits and pieces gradually taken over by what are known as countervailing power centers. In a world where nationalism and nation-states are increasingly viewed with suspicion by insurgent ethnic and cultural sub-groups, those power centers will be, largely, corporations. I predict that our legacy will be a new feudalism, with corporations running things.

Davis
12-01-2020, 12:39 PM
The Beer Hall Putsch failed.

donttread
12-01-2020, 12:45 PM
The total incompetence of Trump's legal team is only part of the reason for Trump's inability to pull off a coup by throwing out enough ballots, though. Yes, it's hard to imagine the administration that brought us the Four Seasons Total Landscaping news conference being able to pull off something so complicated. But the larger reason his coup is failing is that our democratic institutions are withstanding his onslaught. (https://www.chron.com/opinion/article/Trump-is-failing-because-institutions-are-holding-15740798.php)


How do you figure? Trump didn't institute the act of mailing ballots to old addresses, nor did republican poll officials re-write the rules on election night. And all of those "glitches", "errors" and mishaps all seem to have gone for Biden and aginst Trump. Happy coincidence????
I mean it's easy to say "We didn't cheat Orange Man Bad cheated" But those of saying that Biden's team cheated have evidence and steps of logic to defend our position which makes our position far more believable than this.

Trish
12-01-2020, 01:00 PM
This.

Trump is an incompetent midiot, who surrounds himself with more incompetent idiots. What is terrifying to me is what the future holds: an intelligent and competent Totalitarian Republican (or, to be fair, Democrat*) who games the system, using what has been learned from the last four years.
*Given the current demographics of the country, not nearly as likely as a Republican, but still possible.

Nations follow certain historical rules/guidelines. And if you look at the broad sweep of history, you will see that nation-states and democracy are anomalies. We've had a good run as a Democratic Republic and (since the end of WWII) as a world-girdling empire. We are nearing the time of gradual degradation, where our power will be propped up by authoritarian, and then totalitarian rule. And then the collapse.

It will be a slow collapse, a bureaucratic collapse, with bits and pieces gradually taken over by what are known as countervailing power centers. In a world where nationalism and nation-states are increasingly viewed with suspicion by insurgent ethnic and cultural sub-groups, those power centers will be, largely, corporations. I predict that our legacy will be a new feudalism, with corporations running things.
I also thought that everyone would clearly be able to see through the lies and manipulations but we cannot ignore the fact that over 70mil people actually bought into what cannot be proven with facts. But here we are witnessing it first hand.

This complete fealty by so many will be studied by psychologists and others for many years. It's an incredible anomaly that I thought most civilized countries would have avoided at all costs from what we know and have learned tragically from WWI.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 03:51 PM
How do you figure? Trump didn't institute the act of mailing ballots to old addresses, nor did republican poll officials re-write the rules on election night. And all of those "glitches", "errors" and mishaps all seem to have gone for Biden and aginst Trump. Happy coincidence????
I mean it's easy to say "We didn't cheat Orange Man Bad cheated" But those of saying that Biden's team cheated have evidence and steps of logic to defend our position which makes our position far more believable than this.

So.... are you suggesting a vast conspiracy, involving literally thousands of people in multiple states skewed the election in favor of Biden? Seriously?

OGIS
12-01-2020, 04:10 PM
I also thought that everyone would clearly be able to see through the lies and manipulations but we cannot ignore the fact that over 70mil people actually bought into what cannot be proven with facts. But here we are witnessing it first hand.

This complete fealty by so many will be studied by psychologists and others for many years. It's an incredible anomaly that I thought most civilized countries would have avoided at all costs from what we know and have learned tragically from WWI.

For much of the modern (post-WWII) era, American broadcasting operated under the Fairness Doctrine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine), which became law in 1949. This held sway until 2011, when its formal revocation opened the floodgates to organized propaganda already being pushed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. After 2011, entire media organizations (as opposed to individual programs) could take sides. Limbaugh started on the air in 1988. Three decades of incessant propaganda from Limbaugh and his copycats was now strengthened by entities such as Fox, where every single second was right wing propaganda.

I know people who have parents who were literally brainwashed by Fox. I know instances where equipment failures or program changes, whatever, meant that somebody's mom or dad could not get their daily "fix" of Fox. The result? Within a week, they began to return to normal thinking. It's actually terrifying what daily repetition of an idea can accomplish.

The long and short of it is that we have been through three decades of sustained information warfare from the right. There have been a lot of casualties. I, myself was one of them, and it was only through happenstance that I was able to "wake up" and perceive reality.

Yes, it is an anomaly, but perfectly explained by the above.

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 04:11 PM
For much of the modern (post-WWII) era, American broadcasting operated under the Fairness Doctrine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine), which became law in 1949. This held sway until 2011, when its formal revocation opened the floodgates to organized propaganda already being pushed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. After 2011, entire media organizations (as opposed to individual programs) could take sides. Limbaugh started on the air in 1988. Three decades of incessant propaganda from Limbaugh and his copycats was now strengthened by entities such as Fox, where every single second was right wing propaganda.

I know people who have parents who were literally brainwashed by Fox. I know instances where equipment failures or program changes, whatever, meant that somebody's mom or dad could not get their daily "fix" of Fox. The result? Within a week, they began to return to normal thinking. It's actually terrifying what daily repetition of an idea can accomplish.

The long and short of it is that we have been through three decades of sustained information warfare from the right. There have been a lot of casualties. I, myself was one of them, and it was only through happenstance that I was able to "wake up" and perceive reality.

Yes, it is an anomaly, but perfectly explained by the above.
You cannot stand even a little bit of truth, can you? You are like all garden-variety tyrant wannabes.

jet57
12-01-2020, 04:27 PM
No...it's not. Just because the lying fake media is blacking out any developments on this does not mean it is failing... The information is still out there and you are not going to get away with this theft of an election. This country is not ready to be a socialist Sh** hole with crooks, liars and thieves running it.

"The lying fake media". Alex Jones is GONE, but we still have to deal with Fox News and a few radio nuts like Lush Rumbagh. Levin and Hannity (another fake Irishman). The credible media is reporting every - single - day on how Trump's little game is being kicked to the point of being completely out of bounds and off the field.

Won;t be long now; the countdown to Trump's dismissal is on.

51 days and counting.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 05:04 PM
You cannot stand even a little bit of truth, can you? You are like all garden-variety tyrant wannabes.

More content-free insults from a known and documented liar.

Oh, my. What will I do? OH MY!!!!!!!

Get lost, liar.

Captain Obvious
12-01-2020, 05:09 PM
The Beer Hall Putsch failed.

Bingo - that's basically what this was.

Rallying the masses of low information dummies to support a coup.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 05:15 PM
Bingo - that's basically what this was.

Rallying the masses of low information dummies to support a coup.


Yep.

My fear is that someone intelligent, competent, and charismatic will appear on the Far Right in the next 5-10 years.

He (or she) won't make the mistakes that Trump has made.

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 05:18 PM
You cannot stand even a little bit of truth, can you? You are like all garden-variety tyrant wannabes.

More content-free insults from a known and documented liar.
Oh, my. What will I do? OH MY!!!!!!!
Get lost, liar.
My comment is content.

jet57
12-01-2020, 05:43 PM
The Beer Hall Putsch failed.

You got it dude. And let me be the first to congratulate you on reading your history!! Now you know how to apply it. That's exactly how we learn!


Listen to that crowd roar!!

OGIS
12-01-2020, 06:02 PM
You cannot stand even a little bit of truth, can you? You are like all garden-variety tyrant wannabes.

My comment is content.

And again you lie. Your comment was personal attack and therefore unrelated to the thread topic. It is therefore, in the context of the thread (which IS the proper context) content free.

Lie some more, liar. Please.

ALL you clowns have left is personal attack.

carolina73
12-01-2020, 06:10 PM
Bingo - that's basically what this was.

Rallying the masses of low information dummies to support a coup.

A coup through the courts?

What definition of coup does that fit?

I better ask a corpse man if it is true.

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 06:12 PM
And again you lie. Your comment was personal attack and therefore unrelated to the thread topic. It is therefore, in the context of the thread (which IS the proper context) content free.

Lie some more, liar. Please.

ALL you clowns have left is personal attack.
Untrue. You cannot stand even a little bit of truth. You and your team cannot stand the light.

Trish
12-01-2020, 06:14 PM
Untrue. You cannot stand even a little bit of truth. You and your team cannot stand the light.

Mr.V - this isn't a football game. We need to move away from this team mentality. This isn't about the Superbowl, it's about our republic and our democratic institutions.

Standing Wolf
12-01-2020, 06:21 PM
Spinal fluid is clear.

You've never heard the term "sh*t for brains"?

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 06:24 PM
Mr.V - this isn't a football game. We need to move away from this team mentality. This isn't about the Superbowl, it's about our republic and our democratic institutions.
And yet we both know we are on teams. My team believes individual liberty is of utmost importance. Your team believes in rights apportioned to groups. My team knows a nation without a Constitution tends toward tyranny. Your team views the Constitution as an obstacle to be overcome.

We can no longer live together.

I want you out by Christmas.

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 06:25 PM
You've never heard the term "sh*t for brains"?
I think of you when I see that phrase.

Standing Wolf
12-01-2020, 06:25 PM
.... We all know this. Your side is still lying, still hiding, Domino employees disappearing ....

Good news...they've all been found, safe and sound!

https://blog.jostle.me/hubfs/MandGPizza-blog-16x9.jpg

OGIS
12-01-2020, 06:27 PM
I think of you when I see that phrase.

And again, personal attack.

Sad.

Standing Wolf
12-01-2020, 06:27 PM
And yet we both know we are on teams. my team believes individual liberty is of utmost importance. Your team believes in rights apportioned to groups. My team knows a nation without a Constitution tends toward tyranny. Your team views the Constitution as an obstacle to be overcome.

We can no longer live together.

Time to make sure your passport is current, I guess. Will you be having a yard sale before you leave? I could use some bookcases.

Standing Wolf
12-01-2020, 06:28 PM
And again, personal attack.

Sad.

It literally IS all they have these days.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 06:28 PM
And yet we both know we are on teams. my team believes individual liberty is of utmost importance. Your team believes in rights apportioned to groups. My team knows a nation without a Constitution tends toward tyranny. Your team views the Constitution as an obstacle to be overcome.

We can no longer live together.

So when are you leaving?

No hard feelings; I can chip in ten bucks for a ticket to the libertarian paradise of Somalia.

Davis
12-01-2020, 06:29 PM
And yet we both know we are on teams. my team believes individual liberty is of utmost importance. Your team believes in rights apportioned to groups. My team knows a nation without a Constitution tends toward tyranny. Your team views the Constitution as an obstacle to be overcome.

We can no longer live together.

Bye.

Write if you find work.

Trish
12-01-2020, 06:31 PM
And yet we both know we are on teams. my team believes individual liberty is of utmost importance. Your team believes in rights apportioned to groups. My team knows a nation without a Constitution tends toward tyranny. Your team views the Constitution as an obstacle to be overcome.

We can no longer live together.

No, your portrayal of me is not correct but at least you have been consistent. So.....there's that I guess.

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 06:42 PM
The past 4 years has been a dry run from the republican leadership to identify the weak points in our democratic institutions and practices and figure out how to topple them in the coming years. The activities and talking points that this Administration and the republican leadership have adopted and proactively used is a blueprint for taking away the rights of the citizen. It's a very familiar playbook that many authoritarian countries have used. It's unfortunate that they've been able to recruit so many Americans to go along with this plan. They know not what they do.........
Twilight Zone...... Democrats love to accuse Republicans of the crimes they themselves commit. Russian interference.... Ukraine.... want more?

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 06:48 PM
For much of the modern (post-WWII) era, American broadcasting operated under the Fairness Doctrine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine), which became law in 1949. This held sway until 2011, when its formal revocation opened the floodgates to organized propaganda already being pushed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. After 2011, entire media organizations (as opposed to individual programs) could take sides. Limbaugh started on the air in 1988. Three decades of incessant propaganda from Limbaugh and his copycats was now strengthened by entities such as Fox, where every single second was right wing propaganda.

I know people who have parents who were literally brainwashed by Fox. I know instances where equipment failures or program changes, whatever, meant that somebody's mom or dad could not get their daily "fix" of Fox. The result? Within a week, they began to return to normal thinking. It's actually terrifying what daily repetition of an idea can accomplish.

The long and short of it is that we have been through three decades of sustained information warfare from the right. There have been a lot of casualties. I, myself was one of them, and it was only through happenstance that I was able to "wake up" and perceive reality.

Yes, it is an anomaly, but perfectly explained by the above.
Your perceived reality are the lies and misrepresentations fed to the public for going on 50 years or so now. When alternative media popped up those lies have been exposed. Your kind are having aneurisms because your world view has been obliterated.

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 06:50 PM
Evidence? You have none.

Take the cucumbers off your eyes and the wax out your ears.................really!?

OGIS
12-01-2020, 06:52 PM
Take the cucumbers off your eyes and the wax out your ears.................really!?

More personal attack.

So sad. It is, apparently, all you have left.

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 06:53 PM
So.... are you suggesting a vast conspiracy, involving literally thousands of people in multiple states skewed the election in favor of Biden? Seriously?

Absolutely...... all soldiers in a corrupt party called the Democrat party. The fraud was planned for months. Mail-in ballots .... were key...... then there was the computer fraud.
Dead people and illegals voting was just icing on the cake.

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 06:55 PM
More personal attack.

So sad. It is, apparently, all you have left.

What else can one say when someone refuses to see and hear and read? I can't even fathom that you are telling the truth when you say "no proof" ..... you know you're lying and so does the MSM know. They pushed bullcrap for 4 years. This is just the culmination of an American Horror Story.

Lummy
12-01-2020, 06:57 PM
So.... are you suggesting a vast conspiracy, involving literally thousands of people in multiple states skewed the election in favor of Biden? Seriously?
Is that what you believe?

The greatest criminal heist of this era was accomplished by a handful of criminals with tens of thousands of fake ballots many purchased from the chinee. Now they just need to pay the peanut gallery, which includes you, to do some clean up work.

Get lost.

They won't get away with it.

Trish
12-01-2020, 06:57 PM
Twilight Zone...... Democrats love to accuse Republicans of the crimes they themselves commit. Russian interference.... Ukraine.... want more?

Democrats can be dramatic and they wear their hearts on their sleeves. But it cancels out the heartless republicans. (grin)

I won't address the Russia/Ukraine comment - I'll leave that up to the investigators and legal community to figure out.

Davis
12-01-2020, 06:58 PM
The true believers are the best.

montana
12-01-2020, 07:01 PM
The voter fraud by the Democrats was massive, widespread, diversified, planned and coordinated. Good to see ya here quasemarco.

Lummy
12-01-2020, 07:01 PM
The true believers are the best.
You wouldn't know truth if it kicked you in the ass.

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 07:02 PM
Democrats can be dramatic and they wear their hearts on their sleeves. But it cancels out the heartless republicans. (grin)

I won't address the Russia/Ukraine comment - I'll leave that up to the investigators and legal community to figure out.

Truth is painful. Keep your eyes closed. You all are doing an excellent job of that. Mind blowing.

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 07:02 PM
And again, personal attack.

Sad.
I try not to think of you, ever. You are like a bad rash.

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 07:03 PM
Time to make sure your passport is current, I guess. Will you be having a yard sale before you leave? I could use some bookcases.
I have very nice book cases.

I want you and your team out by Christmas.

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 07:05 PM
So when are you leaving?

No hard feelings; I can chip in ten bucks for a ticket to the libertarian paradise of Somalia.
I think it is appropriate to boot you. Actually. The United States of America is for real Americans. The rest of you can leave.

Davis
12-01-2020, 07:05 PM
You wouldn't know truth if it kicked you in the ass.

I'll probably get a second opinion, but thanks ever so much for sharing!

Davis
12-01-2020, 07:07 PM
I think it is appropriate to boot you. Actually. The United States of America is for real Americans. The rest of you can leave.

So when does Assault Team Veritis jump off?

We all need to synchronize our watches.

QuaseMarco
12-01-2020, 07:09 PM
Good to see ya here quasemarco.

Thanks.....you too...... lots of familiar faces......

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 07:10 PM
So when does Assault Team Veritis jump off?

We all need to synchronize our watches.
Do you think you will be fighting only me?

Fascinating.

The Booman
12-01-2020, 07:11 PM
This must be the first coup that uses it's rights given by the constitution and is proceeding through the courts...legally.

Davis
12-01-2020, 07:14 PM
Do you think you will be fighting only me?

Fascinating.
No one thinks you're going to be fighting alone or otherwise.

Just whining.

Trish
12-01-2020, 07:15 PM
Truth is painful. Keep your eyes closed. You all are doing an excellent job of that. Mind blowing.
I'm aware of truth - I've taken an oath which is incredibly important to me so it's not painful for me at all.

MisterVeritis
12-01-2020, 07:15 PM
No one thinks you're going to be fighting alone or otherwise.

Just whining.

Well, there ya go.

carolina73
12-01-2020, 07:17 PM
This must be the first coup that uses it's rights given by the constitution and is proceeding through the courts...legally.

It's a coup I tell ya! I coup d'etat! The judge has a gavel that he can strike down men with! Or crush walnuts.

Nothing about this is even close to resembling a coup.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 07:21 PM
Is that what you believe?

The greatest criminal heist of this era was accomplished by a handful of criminals with tens of thousands of fake ballots many purchased from the chinee. Now they just need to pay the peanut gallery, which includes you, to do some clean up work.

Get lost.

They won't get away with it.

You're right... because nothing like that occurred. It would take super-villain levels of competency to do what you suggest and not leave any trace of evidence, and not have anyone of the countless people involved snitch. Are you suggesting that "Sleepy Joe" is a supervillain? Ph, wait, it is the shadowy forces (BWAHAHAHAHA....) behind hime who are the supervillains, right?

So who are they? The Illuminati? Fnord.

Davis
12-01-2020, 07:24 PM
You're right... because nothing like that occurred. It would take super-villain levels of competency to do what you suggest and not leave any trace of evidence, and not have anyone of the countless people involved snitch. Are you suggesting that "Sleepy Joe" is a supervillain? Ph, wait, it is the shadowy forces (BWAHAHAHAHA....) behind hime who are the supervillains, right?

So who are they? The Illuminati? Fnord.

George Soros, Bill Gates and Bilbo Baggins.

I saw it on OANN.

OGIS
12-01-2020, 07:52 PM
George Soros, Bill Gates and Bilbo Baggins.

I saw it on OANN.

You forgot to put parens around (((SOROS))).

carolina73
12-01-2020, 08:23 PM
You're right... because nothing like that occurred. It would take super-villain levels of competency to do what you suggest and not leave any trace of evidence, and not have anyone of the countless people involved snitch. Are you suggesting that "Sleepy Joe" is a supervillain? Ph, wait, it is the shadowy forces (BWAHAHAHAHA....) behind hime who are the supervillains, right?

So who are they? The Illuminati? Fnord.

Just your leaders.

The same people that fixed it so that Bernie would lose.
The same people that made up the fake Russian Dossier and fed it to the FBI
The same people feeding debate answers to Hillary
The same people putting 88 million into a Senate race in IOWA and105 million in a SC Senate race for 2 candidates running for the first time.
The same people that lied continuously for Obama during his election about Benghazi being about a video.

Nothing the Democrats do surprises me and I know they do not surprise you. You just smile about it and pretend it didn't happen.
You watch Twitter censor Republicans and you act as if you do not see it.

Super-villains? You know them. You pretend you are on their team, but they would run over you in a second out of greed.

donttread
12-02-2020, 08:36 AM
I also thought that everyone would clearly be able to see through the lies and manipulations but we cannot ignore the fact that over 70mil people actually bought into what cannot be proven with facts. But here we are witnessing it first hand.

This complete fealty by so many will be studied by psychologists and others for many years. It's an incredible anomaly that I thought most civilized countries would have avoided at all costs from what we know and have learned tragically from WWI.



We've been heading downhill for a long time and up until a few years ago I truly thought both "major parties" were equally to blame along with the voters who allowed them to remain in office with a committment to not cooperate and therefore almost never do their job. I tell people try that at your job.
" Sorry boss I hate the second shift and I will not use this extra paid time today to do anything to make their life easier. "

Meanwhile the second shift says " All we will \do for the first half of our shift tonight is bitch about the first shift, sorry but we won't produce much today"

What would happen? If the boss fired all and started over with employees from the same two employment agencies what would he/she do if the same thing happened again? Maybe fire the employment agencies to?

Not the tribal voter! They just double down and the new standard for a politician getting re-elected to congress is the low bar of staying out of jail!

However, staring in 2016 and building fast I have concluded that there finally was a lesser of two evils and it was the repubs. I base this upon everything from the DNC cheating Bernie to their unholy incestuos relationship with media to allowing the people they purport to help live in nightly fear of riots in their neighborhood, but not in the mayor's of course. The drive to push through mail in ballots that did not follow the Absentee Ballot chain of custody, politisized judges refusing recounts of a software that was caught transferring votes once, controllism level off the charts, shaming and punishing free thought and destroying our youth's lifes my massive illegal over reaction to a virus. Well that's a few of the reasons anyway.
These people (DNC politicians and players)would sell their own mother into slavery for power. Thankfully most of them are too old to have a living mother.

Whatever happens with this election from now on the American people, including many moderate dems , have lost faith in the free election process. This script has been played out before in many places and spoiler alert the ending is always horrible. This "it can't happen here " attitude isn't working because it IS happening here before our very eyes.

Trish
12-02-2020, 09:18 AM
We've been heading downhill for a long time and up until a few years ago I truly thought both "major parties" were equally to blame along with the voters who allowed them to remain in office with a committment to not cooperate and therefore almost never do their job. I tell people try that at your job.
" Sorry boss I hate the second shift and I will not use this extra paid time today to do anything to make their life easier. "

Meanwhile the second shift says " All we will \do for the first half of our shift tonight is $#@! about the first shift, sorry but we won't produce much today"

What would happen? If the boss fired all and started over with employees from the same two employment agencies what would he/she do if the same thing happened again? Maybe fire the employment agencies to?

Not the tribal voter! They just double down and the new standard for a politician getting re-elected to congress is the low bar of staying out of jail!

However, staring in 2016 and building fast I have concluded that there finally was a lesser of two evils and it was the repubs. I base this upon everything from the DNC cheating Bernie to their unholy incestuos relationship with media to allowing the people they purport to help live in nightly fear of riots in their neighborhood, but not in the mayor's of course. The drive to push through mail in ballots that did not follow the Absentee Ballot chain of custody, politisized judges refusing recounts of a software that was caught transferring votes once, controllism level off the charts, shaming and punishing free thought and destroying our youth's lifes my massive illegal over reaction to a virus. Well that's a few of the reasons anyway.
These people (DNC politicians and players)would sell their own mother into slavery for power. Thankfully most of them are too old to have a living mother.

Whatever happens with this election from now on the American people, including many moderate dems , have lost faith in the free election process. This script has been played out before in many places and spoiler alert the ending is always horrible. This "it can't happen here " attitude isn't working because it IS happening here before our very eyes.
Yeah, well...........that's quite the side you selected but if you're comfortable with their new brand and they reflect the person you are then that's the right choice for you.

Chris
12-02-2020, 09:39 AM
It's a coup I tell ya! I coup d'etat! The judge has a gavel that he can strike down men with! Or crush walnuts.

Nothing about this is even close to resembling a coup.


Yea but some voting official claimed it was violent!!!

Chris
12-02-2020, 09:41 AM
Yeah, well...........that's quite the side you selected but if you're comfortable with their new brand and they reflect the person you are then that's the right choice for you.

And Biden and Harris and identity politics and the socialism of Bernie and AOC are the side you've selected?

Trish
12-02-2020, 11:33 AM
And Biden and Harris and identity politics and the socialism of Bernie and AOC are the side you've selected?

I'm comfortable with the side I chose. I can live with the flaws because I think they can be corrected or contained for the most part. I don't feel like I've compromised my integrity or my moral character because even the flaws of that side are rooted in the desire to do good even if I strongly disagree with some of their policies. Withdrawing to live and return another day to fight the fight is a sacrifice I can live with.

Chris
12-02-2020, 11:54 AM
I'm comfortable with the side I chose. I can live with the flaws because I think they can be corrected or contained for the most part. I don't feel like I've compromised my integrity or my moral character because even the flaws of that side are rooted in the desire to do good even if I strongly disagree with some of their policies. Withdrawing to live and return another day to fight the fight is a sacrifice I can live with.

Nor I mine. Why? Because Trump is not key to the reactionary movement on the right.

How you're going to fix the fissure between the modern left and postmodern left will be interesting. You've already lost the working man.

Standing Wolf
12-02-2020, 11:56 AM
This must be the first coup that uses it's rights given by the constitution and is proceeding through the courts...legally.

The Trump impeachment was legal in all respects and conducted correctly...but that certainly didn't stop all the low-information Trump supporters from labeling it a "coup".

OGIS
12-02-2020, 12:12 PM
The Trump impeachment was legal in all respects and conducted correctly...but that certainly didn't stop all the low-information Trump supporters from labeling it a "coup".

Shush now, for Trump cultists the meaning of words is fluid, depending on circumstances. And trying to hold their feet to the fire will merely generate more personal insults from them.

Chris
12-02-2020, 12:17 PM
The Trump impeachment was legal in all respects and conducted correctly...but that certainly didn't stop all the low-information Trump supporters from labeling it a "coup".

So we can conclude then that those on the left who cry coup are low-information Trump-haters?

Chris
12-02-2020, 12:19 PM
Shush now, for Trump cultists the meaning of words is fluid, depending on circumstances. And trying to hold their feet to the fire will merely generate more personal insults from them.

https://i.snipboard.io/JgkWb4.jpg

Trish
12-02-2020, 12:21 PM
Nor I mine. Why? Because Trump is not key to the reactionary movement on the right.

How you're going to fix the fissure between the modern left and postmodern left will be interesting. You've already lost the working man.

I disagree on both counts. I think the democrats have an opportunity to win back the working class because of the lack of action from this Administration on the pandemic. Had they put in place a national plan and passed a 2nd bill to provide relief to people but they didn't and that has opened a window for Biden and his economy team.

Trump is now the face and movement of the right. Those with integrity and love of country have bailed but the right has attracted the fringe movements and the conspiracy groups so there's that I guess. Looking at this in a positive light, we at least know who and where they are now that they've come out from the shadows.

Chris
12-02-2020, 12:39 PM
I disagree on both counts. I think the democrats have an opportunity to win back the working class because of the lack of action from this Administration on the pandemic. Had they put in place a national plan and passed a 2nd bill to provide relief to people but they didn't and that has opened a window for Biden and his economy team.

Trump is now the face and movement of the right. Those with integrity and love of country have bailed but the right has attracted the fringe movements and the conspiracy groups so there's that I guess. Looking at this in a positive light, we at least know who and where they are now that they've come out from the shadows.


This Administration did act. No Administration has the Constitutional power to act on a National Plan. It must be left to the States. The second relief bill is stuck in Congress, in the House IIRC.

Trump is not the face or the movement. He rode the wave and it's still rising.


Those with integrity and love of country...

Which country? The historical, traditional country? Or the new-fangled postmodern identitarian CRT 1619 crap?

Fringe movements like socialism, BLM, Antifa?

Standing Wolf
12-02-2020, 01:38 PM
So we can conclude then that those on the left who cry coup are low-information Trump-haters?

So far, I don't think Trump's words and actions can be correctly labeled a "coup". We'll just have to wait and see what happens ten minutes from now or tomorrow.

Captain Obvious
12-02-2020, 01:41 PM
So far, I don't think Trump's words and actions can be correctly labeled a "coup". We'll just have to wait and see what happens ten minutes from now or tomorrow.

It is ironic how the right labeled the impeachment and other witch hunts the "soft coup" but turn around and support similar stunts going the other way.

There is no integrity with either side.

donttread
12-02-2020, 01:45 PM
Yeah, well...........that's quite the side you selected but if you're comfortable with their new brand and they reflect the person you are then that's the right choice for you.


They may not totally reflect me the LP does a better job of that but they don't turn my stomach like the folks who encoraged riots for political gain, wrecked the economy for political gain, refused to readjust lockdowns with new info for political gain and pushed through mail in ballots without a chain of custody just before "winning" a very questionable election.

Chris
12-02-2020, 01:54 PM
So far, I don't think Trump's words and actions can be correctly labeled a "coup". We'll just have to wait and see what happens ten minutes from now or tomorrow.

Agree and he's oked the transition to Biden. Time to move on from him.

donttread
12-02-2020, 02:08 PM
I'm comfortable with the side I chose. I can live with the flaws because I think they can be corrected or contained for the most part. I don't feel like I've compromised my integrity or my moral character because even the flaws of that side are rooted in the desire to do good even if I strongly disagree with some of their policies. Withdrawing to live and return another day to fight the fight is a sacrifice I can live with.


As long as you are cool with it but I could never see what I have seen and believe the DNC to be focused on doing good. But if you can that's where you should be. If you ever want to compare facts, studies , steps of logic regarding the corona response or support of the BLM organization let me know. I enjoy a good honest intellectual debate.

donttread
12-02-2020, 02:12 PM
It is ironic how the right labeled the impeachment and other witch hunts the "soft coup" but turn around and support similar stunts going the other way.

There is no integrity with either side.

There HAS been a long term lack of integrity on both sides no doubt. However when you have a fair amount of evidence of wrong doing in the election process I don't think that's the same a s as sham impeachment.
In fact both "sides" should want this mail in ballott driven election laid bear based on what has been exposed. The repubs so they can know if they really lost or not and the dems so if they did win they can walk away with less suspicion

donttread
12-02-2020, 02:20 PM
Nor I mine. Why? Because Trump is not key to the reactionary movement on the right.

How you're going to fix the fissure between the modern left and postmodern left will be interesting. You've already lost the working man.


In the long run we NEED unity. We need to let them know they work for us. We need desperatly to get less tribal so we can once again police our own as our parents did. Without that we are idiocrisy waiting to happen.
However, peace can not be around the corner after some of the low blows landed in 2020.
Both "Sides" of the COVID issue can't even agree that we owe are all but immune children a better life than we have saddled them with because of our own fears of biases.

Chris
12-02-2020, 02:30 PM
In the long run we NEED unity. We need to let them know they work for us. We need desperatly to get less tribal so we can once again police our own as our parents did. Without that we are idiocrisy waiting to happen.
However, peace can not be around the corner after some of the low blows landed in 2020.
Both "Sides" of the COVID issue can't even agree that we owe are all but immune children a better life than we have saddled them with because of our own fears of biases.

I'd say we need more locality and less dependency on the federal government and the tribes it entails.

MisterVeritis
12-02-2020, 02:34 PM
Agree and he's oked the transition to Biden. Time to move on from him.
The fight is not over. Congress does not have to accept the electors from states with fraud. My Representative, Mo Brooks, plans to challenge the electors. It takes just one Senator to do the same. Then Congress can debate it.

OGIS
12-02-2020, 04:53 PM
So far, I don't think Trump's words and actions can be correctly labeled a "coup". We'll just have to wait and see what happens ten minutes from now or tomorrow.

I think his intent was to instigate a coup, but as it has not gotten to first base yes, I would more correctly call it a Chinese Fire Drill. (Yes, yes, I know that that phrase is "racist." Frankly, I really don't care, as it is trope-descriptive.)

Or call it a clown car with four flat tires.

Trish
12-02-2020, 05:48 PM
This Administration did act. No Administration has the Constitutional power to act on a National Plan. It must be left to the States. The second relief bill is stuck in Congress, in the House IIRC.

Trump is not the face or the movement. He rode the wave and it's still rising.



Which country? The historical, traditional country? Or the new-fangled postmodern identitarian CRT 1619 crap?

Fringe movements like socialism, BLM, Antifa?
Dude - I get a daily read out Mon - Friday from the Office of Congressional Budget. I'm aware where bills are so please don't try and peddle that BS with me that it's been sitting in the House. McConnell has sat on it since July and the Senate report has yet to be released.

What the heck are you talking about that the country cannot have a national plan? hahahahahahahaha

Trump is the face and the leader of the republican party. You didn't seem to mind that fact prior to the election.

I've never been a fan of the BLM group and I don't follow Antifa and haven't made any comments either way. Of course you know that because I'm pretty sure we've have this discussion before.

MisterVeritis
12-02-2020, 05:51 PM
The Trump impeachment was legal in all respects and conducted correctly...but that certainly didn't stop all the low-information Trump supporters from labeling it a "coup".
Impeachment was the weapon the coup plotters used. Fortunately, it failed. Unfortunately, the coup plotters remain free.

OGIS
12-02-2020, 06:20 PM
Impeachment was the weapon the coup plotters used. Fortunately, it failed. Unfortunately, the coup plotters remain free.

Every part of that impeachment was grounded in legality. No? Provide the evidence that it wasn't.

MisterVeritis
12-02-2020, 06:27 PM
Impeachment was the weapon the coup plotters used. Fortunately, it failed. Unfortunately, the coup plotters remain free.

Every part of that impeachment was grounded in legality. No? Provide the evidence that it wasn't.I already know you approve of tyranny, embracing it wholly.

jet57
12-02-2020, 06:41 PM
Nor I mine. Why? Because Trump is not key to the reactionary movement on the right.

How you're going to fix the fissure between the modern left and postmodern left will be interesting. You've already lost the working man.

Uh no, the working men in droves voter for Biden because Trump as usual failed to deliver. This business of the Republicans sticking for the working man is laughable at best and gaslighting is nothing else. And not, Trump is not the key to the reactionary confederates on the right. They have been up to no good since reconstruction. Trump just found some easy shoulders to ride on while he diminished this country's credibility: another reason why the working man voted for Biden.

The Fissure that you speak of is the Democrats choice to open their door to more civil rights and really nothing else, because civil rights is easy. Building a new labor movement is hard, but when need elite's money to pour into civil rights, the elites will give it you as long as they're nonunion civil rights.

Chris
12-02-2020, 07:41 PM
Uh no, the working men in droves voter for Biden because Trump as usual failed to deliver. This business of the Republicans sticking for the working man is laughable at best and gaslighting is nothing else. And not, Trump is not the key to the reactionary confederates on the right. They have been up to no good since reconstruction. Trump just found some easy shoulders to ride on while he diminished this country's credibility: another reason why the working man voted for Biden.

The Fissure that you speak of is the Democrats choice to open their door to more civil rights and really nothing else, because civil rights is easy. Building a new labor movement is hard, but when need elite's money to pour into civil rights, the elites will give it you as long as they're nonunion civil rights.

Simply false.

Identity politics has nothing to do with civil rights.

Cletus
12-02-2020, 08:02 PM
The Trump impeachment was legal in all respects and conducted correctly...but that certainly didn't stop all the low-information Trump supporters from labeling it a "coup".
I don't think its legality has ever been in question. The House could impeach a President for wearing an ugly tie if it wanted to. That isn't the point. The question is not whether it was legal, but whether it was right.

Calling it an attempted coup is not really that far off base. Its intent was to seize power from a duly elected President of the United States. The excuses used to justify it were false, fabricated, and complete bullshit. Pelosi knew that. That scumbag Schiff knew it. Everyone in Congress knew it. Nadler knew it. Yet, they tried it. The whole Democrat leadership should have been hanged for what they put this country through.

jet57
12-02-2020, 09:37 PM
Simply false.

Identity politics has nothing to do with civil rights.

And again, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

The Booman
12-02-2020, 10:16 PM
The first coup to go before the supreme court.

Captain Obvious
12-02-2020, 10:33 PM
The first coup to go before the supreme court.

You're right, I'm guessing they read newspapers too.

The Booman
12-02-2020, 10:34 PM
How often do coups involve lawyers?

Captain Obvious
12-02-2020, 10:36 PM
How often do coups involve lawyers?

The ones not yet convicted?

The Booman
12-02-2020, 10:41 PM
Can anyone point to what is illegal about Trump's challenging the election results? if not then no there is no coup.

Chris
12-02-2020, 10:47 PM
https://i.snipboard.io/HXv2qm.jpg

Tahuyaman
12-02-2020, 10:53 PM
tЯump's...

Now there's the creativity we've all been waiting for. Good for you!

Standing Wolf
12-02-2020, 11:59 PM
I think his intent was to instigate a coup, but as it has not gotten to first base yes, I would more correctly call it a Chinese Fire Drill. (Yes, yes, I know that that phrase is "racist." Frankly, I really don't care, as it is trope-descriptive.) ....

Asian Emergency Exercise.

Standing Wolf
12-03-2020, 12:06 AM
Can anyone point to what is illegal about Trump's challenging the election results? if not then no there is no coup.

There is nothing whatsoever illegal or even morally wrong in challenging the election results through legal channels. What Trump has done, however, is to loudly and consistently lie, using official channels and the resources of his office, about the "massive, widespread voter fraud" and that he would have won except for the "millions of illegal votes" allegedly cast. He not only knows that what he's saying is untrue, he's fully aware - as fully aware as he is of anything - that he is damaging America's institutions in the eyes of U.S. citizens and foreigners alike. He cares more about wanting to be seen as a victim (and not a loser) than he does about the state of the nation.

https://digbysblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/1jc78f.jpg

The Booman
12-03-2020, 12:12 AM
There is nothing whatsoever illegal or even morally wrong in challenging the election results through legal channels. What Trump has done, however, is to loudly and consistently lie, using official channels and the resources of his office, about the "massive, widespread voter fraud" and that he would have won except for the "millions of illegal votes" allegedly cast. He not only knows that what he's saying is untrue, he's fully aware - as fully aware as he is of anything - that he is damaging America's institutions in the eyes of U.S. citizens and foreigners alike. He cares more about wanting to be seen as a victim (and not a loser) than he does about the state of the nation.

https://digbysblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/1jc78f.jpg


Yeah, 100 plus sworn affidavits say no...

Democrat hack: "Trump is attempting a coup"

Normal people: "Has he done something illegal?"

Democrat hack: "Well...no but he lies and stuff. Plus there is no fraud, Wolf Blitzer's beard said so and if you can't trust a beard who can you trust?"

Standing Wolf
12-03-2020, 12:23 AM
Yeah, 100 plus sworn affidavits say no...

Democrat hack: "Trump is attempting a coup"

Normal people: "Has he done something illegal?"

Democrat hack: "Well...no but he lies and stuff. Plus there is no fraud, Wolf Blitzer's beard said so and if you can't trust a beard who can you trust?"

I just got through saying that Trump is not attempting a coup, per se, and he's (probably) not doing anything illegal. This time. What others say is not my problem.

The Booman
12-03-2020, 12:40 AM
I just got through saying that Trump is not attempting a coup, per se, and he's (probably) not doing anything illegal. This time. What others say is not my problem.
The Affidavits prove you wrong. So does the FBI and your silly little image just makes you look petty and childish.