The dangerous evangelical right pushing for armaggeddon

[RefutingInfidels]

Frank Schaeffer, former Evangelist and son of the famous Evangelical theologian and preacher Francis Schaeffer, explains how the American Evangelical right are leading the world to catastrophe, in the name of "Biblical Prophecy" and the "Second Coming" of Jesus.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQoxoZn3EpI

[Perianne]

Another glans penis who dislikes Trump and Christians.

I hate this guy ^ and add him to the list of people who, by protocol, will be hung or shot when The Day of the Rope comes.

[montana]

Another glans penis who dislikes Trump and Christians.

I hate this guy ^ and add him to the listen of people who, by protocol, will be hung or shot when The Day of the Rope comes. hopefully that is soon

[RefutingInfidels]

Another glans penis who dislikes Trump and Christians.

I hate this guy ^ and add him to the listen of people who, by protocol, will be hung or shot when The Day of the Rope comes.


You're one of those Evangelical nut-jobs.

[Perianne]

You're one of those Evangelical nut-jobs.
Hardly.

[FindersKeepers]

Frank Schaeffer, former Evangelist and son of the famous Evangelical theologian and preacher Francis Schaeffer, explains how the American Evangelical right are leading the world to catastrophe, in the name of "Biblical Prophecy" and the "Second Coming" of Jesus.





Wow! That guy is a flake!

The first thing I noticed was his unkempt appearance that looked a heck of a lot like the Unabomber's and then I took a look around his disheveled room. No wonder he's so filled with hatred and angst, his room is a chaotic mess!

The man obviously hates someone -- not the far right, necessarily -- maybe a father or uncle who abused him and this is his childish way of striking back. You can almost feel the raw anger in his words. He doesn't miss a chance to insult and name calling.

That said, he does have a point about evangelical Christians looking for signs of the End Times, and Israel figures into that scenario. It's nothing new, however, as a child I had a friend who repeated the same things.

However, that has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is our staunchest strategic ally in the Middle East and that Israel typically produces more Nobel laureates in a single year than the rest of the Arab world put together.

This Schaeffer fellow is an embarrassment I suspect to most liberals because he's gone around the proverbial bend.

I used to be a bit angry at religion myself when I first lost mine, but over the years, I've come to understand that I can allow others to believe whatever they chose without feeling pressured or intimidated by their beliefs. I've also come to understand it from the ranks of some of the most religious folks we find our greatest military heroes. They fight for God and country, so it's a win/win situation for our nation.

Schaffer was once an evangelical himself, so if he claims they're unbalanced, he, by extension, is including himself in that designation.

[FindersKeepers]

You're one of those Evangelical nut-jobs.

And, you're a socialist nutjob, but who's keeping score?

[Tahuyaman]

You're one of those Evangelical nut-jobs.
You’re one of those religious bigots.

[RefutingInfidels]

And, you're a socialist nutjob, but who's keeping score?
How does being a socialist make one a nutjob?

[RefutingInfidels]

Wow! That guy is a flake!

The first thing I noticed was his unkempt appearance that looked a heck of a lot like the Unabomber's and then I took a look around his disheveled room. No wonder he's so filled with hatred and angst, his room is a chaotic mess!

The man obviously hates someone -- not the far right, necessarily -- maybe a father or uncle who abused him and this is his childish way of striking back. You can almost feel the raw anger in his words. He doesn't miss a chance to insult and name calling.

That said, he does have a point about evangelical Christians looking for signs of the End Times, and Israel figures into that scenario. It's nothing new, however, as a child I had a friend who repeated the same things.

However, that has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is our staunchest strategic ally in the Middle East and that Israel typically produces more Nobel laureates in a single year than the rest of the Arab world put together.

This Schaeffer fellow is an embarrassment I suspect to most liberals because he's gone around the proverbial bend.

I used to be a bit angry at religion myself when I first lost mine, but over the years, I've come to understand that I can allow others to believe whatever they chose without feeling pressured or intimidated by their beliefs. I've also come to understand it from the ranks of some of the most religious folks we find our greatest military heroes. They fight for God and country, so it's a win/win situation for our nation.

Schaffer was once an evangelical himself, so if he claims they're unbalanced, he, by extension, is including himself in that designation.

Fact is that the Jewish State of Israel, is an apartheid, racist state. A Jewocracy (i.e. "democracy" for Jews). If you're a non-Jew in a Jewish state, you're a second class citizen by default. No one has the right to do what the Zionists did in Palestine to the native population, stripping millions of their lands, homes and humanity. The Arabs come from the Arabian peninsula, the so called "Arabs" of the Levant, are descendants of the ancient Israelites and Canaanites, the people of that region. Jewish Israelis are mostly secular, and they chose the wrong part of the world, to establish a Jewish secular state. The middle east is the most religious region of the earth, and right smack in the center of it, they established a secular state:

33173


They have a lot of influence over the US Gov.

[RefutingInfidels]

Wow! That guy is a flake!

The first thing I noticed was his unkempt appearance that looked a heck of a lot like the Unabomber's and then I took a look around his disheveled room. No wonder he's so filled with hatred and angst, his room is a chaotic mess!


Claptrap.




The man obviously hates someone -- not the far right, necessarily -- maybe a father or uncle who abused him and this is his childish way of striking back. You can almost feel the raw anger in his words. He doesn't miss a chance to insult and name calling.


Being angry doesn't make someone incorrect. His anger is justified, due to how destructive and warped Evangelicals are, supporting more wars, not caring about the working class, those who are disenfranchised, discriminated against, unjustly treated. They fault the poor for being that way, and love and respect the rich. The very opposite of what Jesus did, who taught :

Mat_19:23 And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luk_1:53 The hungry he hath filled with good things; And the rich he hath sent empty away.

Luk_6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

Mat_6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[Standing Wolf]

.... That said, he does have a point about evangelical Christians looking for signs of the End Times, and Israel figures into that scenario. It's nothing new, however, as a child I had a friend who repeated the same things. ....

I think it's a minority opinion among conservative Christians, certainly, though it does exist. Many fundamentalist church members today get caught up in the "end times" cult, led today by Tim LaHaye, just as it was led forty years ago by Hal Lindsey. (Remember 'The Late, Great Planet Earth'?) They seem unaware that most of Christendom, including the Catholic Church, adheres to a doctrine of Amillenialism and considers all that "Left Behind" nonsense to be unscriptural. It teaches, after St. Augustine, that Christ's kingdom was established upon his resurrection.

[jet57]

Another glans penis who dislikes Trump and Christians.

I hate this guy ^ and add him to the list of people who, by protocol, will be hung or shot when The Day of the Rope comes.

Your avatar; uh, self portrait?

Saying what you just did is a perfectly spiteful thing to say about another poster to be hung or shot because he disagrees with your religion.

YOU are really no better than any jihadist.


One of the things you might want to remember evangelicals saying about the end times, is that (the Dome of the Rock) is going to fall. Now isn't placing the US embassy in embattled and disputed territories in a feud one of the best ways to make that happen?

Look past your nose just a little bit add try and see what's going on in the world around you.

[jet57]

Hardly.

No, you are.

[jet57]

Wow! That guy is a flake!

The first thing I noticed was his unkempt appearance that looked a heck of a lot like the Unabomber's and then I took a look around his disheveled room. No wonder he's so filled with hatred and angst, his room is a chaotic mess!

The man obviously hates someone -- not the far right, necessarily -- maybe a father or uncle who abused him and this is his childish way of striking back. You can almost feel the raw anger in his words. He doesn't miss a chance to insult and name calling.

That said, he does have a point about evangelical Christians looking for signs of the End Times, and Israel figures into that scenario. It's nothing new, however, as a child I had a friend who repeated the same things.

However, that has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is our staunchest strategic ally in the Middle East and that Israel typically produces more Nobel laureates in a single year than the rest of the Arab world put together.

This Schaeffer fellow is an embarrassment I suspect to most liberals because he's gone around the proverbial bend.

I used to be a bit angry at religion myself when I first lost mine, but over the years, I've come to understand that I can allow others to believe whatever they chose without feeling pressured or intimidated by their beliefs. I've also come to understand it from the ranks of some of the most religious folks we find our greatest military heroes. They fight for God and country, so it's a win/win situation for our nation.

Schaffer was once an evangelical himself, so if he claims they're unbalanced, he, by extension, is including himself in that designation.

So, was Jesus well kempt, bear trimmed, dressed to the nines so HE looked respectable and could be taken seriously?

How about Einstein?

Beethoven maybe?

TRUMP!! with his 67 degrees of com bover: now there's a look that's respectable.

[jet57]

And, you're a socialist nutjob, but who's keeping score?

So, what proof that you have that he socialist? Were they liberal unkempt masses of the American Revolution socialists?

[FindersKeepers]

So, what proof that you have that he socialist? Were they liberal unkempt masses of the American Revolution socialists?


He says he's a socialist.

[jet57]

He says he's a socialist.

I notice that you left Jesus out of the mix there... Hit a nerve did I. Don't denigrate people on their at home appearance. And so what if he's a scoialist; you're a conservative.

[Perianne]

I notice that you left Jesus out of the mix there...
Jesus loves Perianne.

[FindersKeepers]

I notice that you left Jesus out of the mix there... Hit a nerve did I. Don't denigrate people on their at home appearance. And so what if he's a scoialist; you're a conservative.

I don't really believe the Christian Jesus ever existed so there's no real reason for me to include Him in a conversation. But, you asked how I knew RefutingInfidels was a socialist, and I only know because he spent three days telling me he was and trying to convince me to join his socialist mission. If you missed that thread, I can probably find a link for you. But, fair warning -- it's super long and tedious.

[jet57]

I don't really believe the Christian Jesus ever existed so there's no real reason for me to include Him in a conversation. But, you asked how I knew RefutingInfidels was a socialist, and I only know because he spent three days telling me he was and trying to convince me to join his socialist mission. If you missed that thread, I can probably find a link for you. But, fair warning -- it's super long and tedious.

So, you're a Jehovah's witness then... So, you're saying that the guy in the video is a socialist and he spent three days trying to convert you...

[jet57]

Jesus loves @Perianne (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3504).

Did he tell you that?

[montana]

How does being a socialist make one a nutjob? I would ask a fool how does it not ?

[montana]

Claptrap. Without salvation this would be true. Wealth or being poor won't do it


Being angry doesn't make someone incorrect. His anger is justified, due to how destructive and warped Evangelicals are, supporting more wars, not caring about the working class, those who are disenfranchised, discriminated against, unjustly treated. They fault the poor for being that way, and love and respect the rich. The very opposite of what Jesus did, who taught :

Mat_19:23 And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luk_1:53 The hungry he hath filled with good things; And the rich he hath sent empty away.

Luk_6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

Mat_6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[FindersKeepers]

So, you're a Jehovah's witness then... So, you're saying that the guy in the video is a socialist and he spent three days trying to convert you...


Ugh. JW's believe in Jesus, I'm pretty sure. I'm not religious.

But, no, I didn't say the guy in the video was a socialist -- I said RefutingInfidels was a socialist, because he said so himself. The guy in the video is just a very angry man who cannot express his ideas without insulting others. He's also a person who has a very disorganized and messy space, and, in my experience, that corresponds with a disorganized and messy mind.

[stephenpe]

Goldwater was a conservative's conservative. He saw it LONG ago.........
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
― Barry Goldwater

[Chris]

I think it's a minority opinion among conservative Christians, certainly, though it does exist. Many fundamentalist church members today get caught up in the "end times" cult, led today by Tim LaHaye, just as it was led forty years ago by Hal Lindsey. (Remember 'The Late, Great Planet Earth'?) They seem unaware that most of Christendom, including the Catholic Church, adheres to a doctrine of Amillenialism and considers all that "Left Behind" nonsense to be unscriptural. It teaches, after St. Augustine, that Christ's kingdom was established upon his resurrection.


And such eccentrics should not be taken seriously or as representative.

/thread

[jet57]

Ugh. JW's believe in Jesus, I'm pretty sure. I'm not religious.

But, no, I didn't say the guy in the video was a socialist -- I said RefutingInfidels was a socialist, because he said so himself. The guy in the video is just a very angry man who cannot express his ideas without insulting others. He's also a person who has a very disorganized and messy space, and, in my experience, that corresponds with a disorganized and messy mind.

Okay, well I misunderstood you then: apologies. I don't care what a poster's politics are as long as they are adult about their views and make credible points. They guy in the video is obviously an author; lots of authors and scientists have messy desks because they are lousy filers (like me, though my desk isn't messy) and they don't want to lose their research notes. That should have nothing to do with his thesis though. He makes a good argument though and I've herd people saying stuff like that for years now; it's not impossible. Hitler brought Hell on earth all by himself and the money he garnered under his absolute control...

[MisterVeritis]

I don't really believe the Christian Jesus ever existed so there's no real reason for me to include Him in a conversation. But, you asked how I knew RefutingInfidels was a socialist, and I only know because he spent three days telling me he was and trying to convince me to join his socialist mission. If you missed that thread, I can probably find a link for you. But, fair warning -- it's super long and tedious.

Jesus was Jewish.

[jet57]

And such eccentrics should not be taken seriously or as representative.

/thread

Yes they may be eccentrics but you have to admit that a lot of damage has been done throughout history by such "eccentrics". Creating a kind of Armageddon with enough power and connections is not impossible. I don't think that Christians by and large would even consider such a thing as an agenda, money gets what it wants and how many wars have been started over money? Another one Christ's name would go in the Middle East: it's been done before.

[Peter1469]

The Palestinians have no relationship to the Levant.

Here is the best book (https://www.amazon.com/Jerusalem-Besieged-Ancient-Canaan-Modern/dp/0472031201/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&hvadid=78202894858216&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&keywords=jerusalem+besieged&qid=1606694848&sr=8-1&tag=mh0b-20)on the topic.



Fact is that the Jewish State of Israel, is an apartheid, racist state. A Jewocracy (i.e. "democracy" for Jews). If you're a non-Jew in a Jewish state, you're a second class citizen by default. No one has the right to do what the Zionists did in Palestine to the native population, stripping millions of their lands, homes and humanity. The Arabs come from the Arabian peninsula, the so called "Arabs" of the Levant, are descendants of the ancient Israelites and Canaanites, the people of that region. Jewish Israelis are mostly secular, and they chose the wrong part of the world, to establish a Jewish secular state. The middle east is the most religious region of the earth, and right smack in the center of it, they established a secular state:

33173


They have a lot of influence over the US Gov.

[The Booman]

Ah yes, the Schaeffers no one has ever heard of is going to somehow usher in armaggeddon. I'd better get the washing in.

[Chris]

Yes they may be eccentrics but you have to admit that a lot of damage has been done throughout history by such "eccentrics". Creating a kind of Armageddon with enough power and connections is not impossible. I don't think that Christians by and large would even consider such a thing as an agenda, money gets what it wants and how many wars have been started over money? Another one Christ's name would go in the Middle East: it's been done before.

Marx, Engles, Lenin, Stalin.

[jet57]

Marx, Engles, Lenin, Stalin.

Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell jr... you get the picture.

[Chris]

Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell jr... you get the picture.

I was thinking of the millions murdered by the thinking of those eccentrics. How many died at the ideas of dangerous Robertson, Falwell?

[jet57]

I was thinking of the millions murdered by the thinking of those eccentrics. How many died at the ideas of dangerous Robertson, Falwell?
We may never know. I know that Christians killed and murdered millions in the last two thousand years though. The Crusades didn't do a bad job of that either.

[Chris]

We may never know. I know that Christians killed and murdered millions in the last two thousand years though. The Crusades didn't do a bad job of that either.

Robertson, Falwell? That's nuts.

[jet57]

Robertson, Falwell? That's nuts.
Radical evangelicals? Not nuts.

[The Booman]

Marx, Engles, Lenin, Stalin.
The democrat's idea of the perfect boy band.

[Mister D]

I was thinking of the millions murdered by the thinking of those eccentrics. How many died at the ideas of dangerous Robertson, Falwell?

Apparently, we'll never know. Wait...we do know. Zero.

Now it's the Crusades. Lol

[jet57]

Apparently, we'll never know. Wait...we do know. Zero.

Now it's the Crusades. Lol

You'll never know because you don't read.

Read some world history and then get back to me.

Oh, and look up "estate" while you're at it.

[jet57]

The democrat's idea of the perfect boy band.

Didn't those guys do that "Spinal Tap" thing?

[Mister D]

Robertson, Falwell? That's nuts.

Silly might be a better term.

[Chris]

Silly might be a better term.

Clownish?

[Mister D]

Clownish?

Clownish works.

[Chris]

Clownish works.

<:o)

[The Booman]

Exactly how dangerous is the evangelical right? I mean, do they have a secret evangelical lair or just an clubhouse?

[Tahuyaman]

With all the chaos being spread by the extreme left, the biggest problem we face is.....? you guessed it. Those people who believe in Jesus Christ.

[Tahuyaman]

You'll never know because you don't read.

Read some world history and then get back to me.

Oh, and look up "estate" while you're at it.
This guy is the king of irony.

[The Booman]

This guy is the king of irony.


He's too stupid to see it.

[Tahuyaman]

He's too stupid to see it.

Yes he is.

[Retirednsmilin308]

I think it's a minority opinion among conservative Christians, certainly, though it does exist. Many fundamentalist church members today get caught up in the "end times" cult, led today by Tim LaHaye, just as it was led forty years ago by Hal Lindsey. (Remember 'The Late, Great Planet Earth'?) They seem unaware that most of Christendom, including the Catholic Church, adheres to a doctrine of Amillenialism and considers all that "Left Behind" nonsense to be unscriptural. It teaches, after St. Augustine, that Christ's kingdom was established upon his resurrection.
Standing Wolf I can bet they are recycling some of the same sermons I heard back in 1967 and 68.

I chose to make my own personal peace with God and the Universe, and not let others (especially preachers) tell me what is coming down the pike.

What happens, happens, and if you and God are in step, then no worries.

[Captdon]

How does being a socialist make one a nutjob?

It does but your post was rant about religion.

[Captdon]

Fact is that the Jewish State of Israel, is an apartheid, racist state. A Jewocracy (i.e. "democracy" for Jews). If you're a non-Jew in a Jewish state, you're a second class citizen by default. No one has the right to do what the Zionists did in Palestine to the native population, stripping millions of their lands, homes and humanity. The Arabs come from the Arabian peninsula, the so called "Arabs" of the Levant, are descendants of the ancient Israelites and Canaanites, the people of that region. Jewish Israelis are mostly secular, and they chose the wrong part of the world, to establish a Jewish secular state. The middle east is the most religious region of the earth, and right smack in the center of it, they established a secular state:


They have a lot of influence over the US Gov.

You know little about the history of that region.

[Captdon]

Claptrap.


Being angry doesn't make someone incorrect. His anger is justified, due to how destructive and warped Evangelicals are, supporting more wars, not caring about the working class, those who are disenfranchised, discriminated against, unjustly treated. They fault the poor for being that way, and love and respect the rich. The very opposite of what Jesus did, who taught :

Mat_19:23 And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luk_1:53 The hungry he hath filled with good things; And the rich he hath sent empty away.

Luk_6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

Mat_6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Don't quote Scripture as if you know what it means.Too many of us here do.

[Captdon]

He says he's a socialist.

Well, Jet must have missed that.

[Captdon]

@Standing Wolf (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1791) I can bet they are recycling some of the same sermons I heard back in 1967 and 68.

I chose to make my own personal peace with God and the Universe, and not let others (especially preachers) tell me what is coming down the pike.

What happens, happens, and if you and God are in step, then no worries.

Scripture doesn't change. I think sermons are just to remind us.

[Standing Wolf]

And such eccentrics should not be taken seriously or as representative.

/thread

Unless some individual or group that was somehow in a position to take actions that might conceivably speed up the so-called "Second Coming" followed through. Yes, it's fiction, but there was an excellent t.v. miniseries a few years ago called 'Dig' wherein a conspiracy that included both foreign and U.S. citizens, including officers of the State Department, planned to destroy the Dome of the Rock in order to bring about what they considered to be Biblical prophecies. While their motives were different, an underground radical Jewish group came close to destroying that mosque and several others in 1984.

[Captdon]

Unless some individual or group that was somehow in a position to take actions that might conceivably speed up the so-called "Second Coming" followed through. Yes, it's fiction, but there was an excellent t.v. miniseries a few years ago called 'Dig' wherein a conspiracy that included both foreign and U.S. citizens, including officers of the State Department, planned to destroy the Dome of the Rock in order to bring about what they considered to be Biblical prophecies. While their motives were different, an underground radical Jewish group came close to destroying that mosque and several others in 1984.

It isn't the destruction of the Dome that is mentioned. It is the rebuilding of the Temple. You can destroy the Dome and nothing would happen about The Apocalypse.

[Standing Wolf]

It isn't the destruction of the Dome that is mentioned. It is the rebuilding of the Temple. You can destroy the Dome and nothing would happen about The Apocalypse.

The Dome of the Rock is situated in the center of the Temple site. Isn't it logical - assuming that word really applies here - that the mosque would have to be destroyed in some way before the Temple could be rebuilt?

[roadmaster]

Frank Schaeffer, former Evangelist and son of the famous Evangelical theologian and preacher Francis Schaeffer, explains how the American Evangelical right are leading the world to catastrophe, in the name of "Biblical Prophecy" and the "Second Coming" of Jesus.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQoxoZn3EpI



I am not going to watch it. In order to believe that arnaggeddon is right around the corner, you would have to believe that satan is bound and has no influence in this world. Look around.

In Revelation HE tells when this is going to happen.
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-1/)
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-2/)
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-3/)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-4/)
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-5/)
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-6/)
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-7/)
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-8/)
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-9/)

And yes I am a Christian, not a Zionist.

[Captdon]

Unless some individual or group that was somehow in a position to take actions that might conceivably speed up the so-called "Second Coming" followed through. Yes, it's fiction, but there was an excellent t.v. miniseries a few years ago called 'Dig' wherein a conspiracy that included both foreign and U.S. citizens, including officers of the State Department, planned to destroy the Dome of the Rock in order to bring about what they considered to be Biblical prophecies. While their motives were different, an underground radical Jewish group came close to destroying that mosque and several others in 1984.

It isn't the destruction of the Dome that is the cause or a sign. It is the rebuilding of the Temple that's is part of it. that would bring an a nuclear war by the Muslims.

[barb012]

America was at the crossroad of history as people will remember that we took the wrong direction as time goes forward.

[Standing Wolf]

It isn't the destruction of the Dome that is the cause or a sign. It is the rebuilding of the Temple that's is part of it. that would bring an a nuclear war by the Muslims.

You wrote that before, and I responded in Post #60.

In every generation since Jesus' time, some were convinced that they were living in "the end times". Long before the Y2K scare, there was the Y1K scare, which centered on the conviction of many that the world was about to end. In America in the 1840s, the Millerite cult arose, predicting that the end times were near; when it turned out that they were not, that group split off to become a number of Adventist denominations, one of which merged with the Seventh Day Baptists to become the Seventh Day Adventists. And of course, as previously mentioned, there was the late '70s 'Late, Great Planet Earth' industry. People like to think that they're in the center of history, just as they used to like to think that the Earth was the center of the universe.

[Captdon]

You wrote that before, and I responded in Post #60.

In every generation since Jesus' time, some were convinced that they were living in "the end times". Long before the Y2K scare, there was the Y1K scare, which centered on the conviction of many that the world was about to end. In America in the 1840s, the Millerite cult arose, predicting that the end times were near; when it turned out that they were not, that group split off to become a number of Adventist denominations, one of which merged with the Seventh Day Baptists to become the Seventh Day Adventists. And of course, as previously mentioned, there was the late '70s 'Late, Great Planet Earth' industry. People like to think that they're in the center of history, just as they used to like to think that the Earth was the center of the universe.

I was merely adding to your post.

[Standing Wolf]

I was merely adding to your post.

Thanks. I thought you might have missed my earlier response.

[roadmaster]

So the Bible says when this is going to happen, after trib, after His wrath, after the 1000 year reign and all of you are saying it's going to happen before trib. Humm I think I will stick with the Bible and not your thinking or your fake pastors.

[Standing Wolf]

So the Bible says when this is going to happen, after trib, after His wrath, after the 1000 year reign and all of you are saying it's going to happen before trib. Humm I think I will stick with the Bible and not your thinking or your fake pastors.

Rather than falling for hucksters like Tim LaHaye and the whole "left behind" nonsense, you might consider reading up on the traditional Christian interpretation of the prophetic passages in Daniel, Revelations, etc. Read 'An Eschatology of Victory' by J. Marcellus Kik. Or just give some consideration to some of the material accessible on the Internet.

[roadmaster]

Rather than falling for hucksters like Tim LaHaye and the whole "left behind" nonsense, you might consider reading up on the traditional Christian interpretation of the prophetic passages in Daniel, Revelations, etc. Read 'An Eschatology of Victory' by J. Marcellus Kik. Or just give some consideration to some of the material accessible on the Internet.
I stick with the Bible only. Left behind is false. Christians will go threw trib. I don't need any other book or movie to tell me what HE says.

[Retirednsmilin308]

Scripture doesn't change. I think sermons are just to remind us.

...but those preachers keep getting it wrong.
They should leave out the current events and just stick to scripture.

They keep insisting the end days are here and now and they never are.

That is what I meant by recycling their sermons for 67 and 68.

Pretty much all "end days " sermons are the same except when they insert current events into them.

That is what makes them wrong.

[The Booman]

This evangelical right is getting out of control. Last night Francis Schaeffer gave a sermon and this morning when I woke up I had leprosy.

[Standing Wolf]

I stick with the Bible only. Left behind is false. Christians will go threw trib. I don't need any other book or movie to tell me what HE says.

Many people forget, though, that a "prophet" in the Biblical sense was not always someone who foretold the future, which is what the word has come to mean in popular usage today. The prophets were mainly just men of God whose mission was to point out how the people were straying from God and to admonish them to knock it off. Many scholars make an excellent case that the Revelation of St. John is allegorical in nature, or that parts of it describe worldly political powers and characters of the time in a sort of coded message of hope and resistance.

[MisterVeritis]

Many people forget, though, that a "prophet" in the Biblical sense was not always someone who foretold the future, which is what the word has come to mean in popular usage today. The prophets were mainly just men of God whose mission was to point out how the people were straying from God and to admonish them to knock it off. Many scholars make an excellent case that the Revelation of St. John is allegorical in nature, or that parts of it describe worldly political powers and characters of the time in a sort of coded message of hope and resistance.
Prophets were commentators. You got that right.

[Tahuyaman]

Many people forget, though, that a "prophet" in the Biblical sense was not always someone who foretold the future, which is what the word has come to mean in popular usage today. The prophets were mainly just men of God whose mission was to point out how the people were straying from God and to admonish them to knock it off. Many scholars make an excellent case that the Revelation of St. John is allegorical in nature, or that parts of it describe worldly political powers and characters of the time in a sort of coded message of hope and resistance.


You are right in that a biblical prophet did not simply foretold the future. However you incorrect when you say they were "just men of God". They were believed to be chosen by God and divinely inspired to speak for God to other people.

The book of Revelations is something which most people, no matter how knowledgeable they may be, can not fully understand.

[countryboy]

You are right in that a biblical prophet did not simply foretold the future. However you incorrect when you say they were "just men of God". They were believed to be chosen by God and divinely inspired to speak for God to other people.

The book of Revelations is something which most people, no matter how knowledgeable they may be, can not fully understand.

I mean no offense when I say this, but I always feel it incumbent upon me to correct your very common mistake. It is the book of Revelation, not Revelations.

[Tahuyaman]

I mean no offense when I say this, but I always feel it incumbent upon me to correct your very common mistake. It is the book of Revelation, not Revelations.

Thank you for correcting me on something which doesn't matter.

[countryboy]

Thank you for correcting me on something which doesn't matter.

It may not matter to you, but it matters a great deal to believers, and biblical scholars. but I'm not surprised by your snarky response, it's what you do. Hopefully normal people with less hatred in their hearts can benefit from reading the the exchange.

it would be similar to referring to the United States Constitutions, or the Declarations of Independence. But that's cool, you're not the scholarly type, I'm sure you're good at something. I mean, besides being a hateful snarky person.

[Captain Obvious]

Evangelicals in the US = alQaeda

[Tahuyaman]

It may not matter to you, but it matters a great deal to believers, and biblical scholars. but I'm not surprised by your snarky response, it's what you do. Hopefully normal people with less hatred in their hearts can benefit from reading the the exchange.

it would be similar to referring to the United States Constitutions, or the Declarations of Independence. But that's cool, you're not the scholarly type, I'm sure you're good at something. I mean, besides being a hateful snarky person.
Ok...... Sure.


Sheesh.

[Tahuyaman]

Evangelicals in the US = alQaeda
That's insane.

[Standing Wolf]

You are right in that a biblical prophet did not simply foretold the future. However you incorrect when you say they were "just men of God". They were believed to be chosen by God and divinely inspired to speak for God to other people.

The book of Revelations is something which most people, no matter how knowledgeable they may be, can not fully understand.

I meant no disrespect with the word "just". I simply meant that prophesying future events was not their usual mission.


I mean no offense when I say this, but I always feel it incumbent upon me to correct your very common mistake. It is the book of Revelation, not Revelations.
Actually, the literal translation of the original Greek title is "Apocalypse of John".

[Tahuyaman]

I meant no disrespect with the word "just". I simply meant that prophesying future events was not their usual mission. ..


I did not view your "just men" comment as being disrespectful. I viewed it as you were not well informed as to who the prophets were.