Release the Kraken!

[Leanne778]

:rofl: Release the Kraken!! Give it up already.

Hundreds of attorneys across the country have signed on to an open letter condemning the legal efforts pursued by lawyers for President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) in the hopes of overturning the 2020 election results.
An open letter from Lawyers Defending Democracy (https://lawyersdefendingdemocracy.org/call-for-bar-condemnation-and-investigation-of-president-trumps-campaign-lawyers-for-subverting-american-democracy/) has been signed by more than 1,500 attorneys, law professors and officials in the legal profession, including some high-profile signees such as Laurel Bellows, a former president of both the Chicago Bar Association and the American Bar Association.

"More than 35 losses in election-related cases have made one thing painfully clear: President Trump’s barrage of litigation is a pretext for a campaign to undermine public confidence in the outcome of the 2020 election, which inevitably will subvert constitutional democracy. Sadly, the President’s primary agents and enablers in this effort are lawyers, obligated by their oath and ethical rules to uphold the rule of law," reads the open letter.

The letter comes as the president's legal efforts in the key battleground states of Georgia, Michigan and Pennsylvania were met with more rejections from judges on Monday, including the dismissal of one suit in Georgia dubbed an effort by pro-Trump lawyers to "release the Kraken" against state election officials.

“The claims in the Kraken lawsuit prove to be as mythological as the creature for which they’re named. Georgians can now move forward knowing that their votes, and only their legal votes, were counted accurately, fairly, and reliably," Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (https://thehill.com/person/brad-raffensperger) (R) said Monday of that lawsuit.
More than 1,500 attorneys sign letter condemning Trump legal team | TheHill (https://thehill.com/homenews/news/529124-more-than-1500-attorneys-sign-letter-condemning-trump-legal-team)

[Calypso Jones]

yeah yeah leanne...wut ever.

[Abby08]

yeah yeah leanne...wut ever.

Still can't get Trump out of her head.

She should be singing the praises of her chosen cheater but, she's still all about Trump.

I think she secretly likes him.

[HawkTheSlayer]

Still can't get Trump out of her head.

She should be singing the praises of her chosen cheater but, she's still all about Trump.

I think she secretly likes him.
Even though Biden appears to be in line to take over, just like Covid , TDS seems to be on the rise.
What we really need is a TDS Vaccine. :sign10:

[Abby08]

Even though Biden appears to be in line to take over, just like Covid , TDS seems to be on the rise.
What we really need is a TDS Vaccine. :sign10:


They really love Biden don't they, all they can talk about is Trump.

They shouldn't care about Trump anymore, yet.......he's still the number one topic.

Can't really blame them, Biden doesn't give them much to work with.

[Leanne778]

yeah yeah leanne...wut ever.
That's it? Wow....I guess you have finally resigned to the fact that Biden will be our next President. Accepting it is the first step. Good for you girl!

[Leanne778]

They really love Biden don't they, all they can talk about is Trump.

They shouldn't care about Trump anymore, yet.......he's still the number one topic.

Can't really blame them, Biden doesn't give them much to work with.
Believe me, once Trump's ass is out of the WH on 1/21/21 we can then have decent discussions on how to bring this country together. This country is fragile right now because of Trump - once he's gone - we can breathe again.

[Abby08]

Believe me, once Trump's ass is out of the WH on 1/21/21 we can then have decent discussions on how to bring this country together. This country is fragile right now because of Trump - once he's gone - we can breathe again.


Have you always been delusional or, is it a new thing?

[Cletus]

Lawyers Defending Democracy was formed as an anti-Trump group. They are strictly partisan and have zero credibility.

[HawkTheSlayer]

They really love Biden don't they, all they can talk about is Trump.

They shouldn't care about Trump anymore, yet.......he's still the number one topic.

Can't really blame them, Biden doesn't give them much to work with.
Well, he's low energy like Jeb but a great gaffe machine.

[Calypso Jones]

Believe me, once Trump's ass is out of the WH on 1/21/21 we can then have decent discussions on how to bring this country together. This country is fragile right now because of Trump - once he's gone - we can breathe again.

bring this country together?? Baby...you had your chance between 2016 and 2020 and that's the last chance you're gonna get. The President is not gone.... and there's a good chance he's going to be in office for his rightful and legitimately won four more years. You guys have no shame...it is obvious you have attempted another Coup and God's will you will not get away with this.

But regardless....don't you even dare say unite or cometogether or anything like that you bunch of lying cheating hypocrites.

[MisterVeritis]

That's it? Wow....I guess you have finally resigned to the fact that Biden will be our next President. Accepting it is the first step. Good for you girl!
There is more fight to go. Be patient. Biden is not your President.

[MisterVeritis]

Believe me, once Trump's ass is out of the WH on 1/21/21 we can then have decent discussions on how to bring this country together. This country is fragile right now because of Trump - once he's gone - we can breathe again.
If Biden should get in through the fraud allowed to stand there will be no unity. In fact, you should expect all forms of resistance to the occupier. There will be no peace.

[exotix]

There is more fight to go. Be patient. Biden is not your President.This is how you overturn an election ?



LOL


Giuliani asks woman to remove mask days before he ends-up in hospital after testing positive for COVID-19



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e01qhs0a06w

[MisterVeritis]

This is how you overturn an election ?

No. It is how we wring the Democrat Party fraud out of the election.

[Tahuyaman]

Believe me, once Trump's ass is out of the WH on 1/21/21 we can then have decent discussions on how to bring this country together. This country is fragile right now because of Trump - once he's gone - we can breathe again.
But he’ll still be living in your head 24/7.

[exotix]

No. It is how we wring the Democrat Party fraud out of the election.Name one Dem election fraud.

[Abby08]

Name one Dem election fraud.


Where have you been?

[FindersKeepers]

That's it? Wow....I guess you have finally resigned to the fact that Biden will be our next President. Accepting it is the first step. Good for you girl!


And now....you are going to get to be on the opposite side--the side that has to defend what Biden screws up!

Welcome to your new role. It's an ancient role and a constantly changing role.

[hanger4]

:rofl: Release the Kraken!! Give it up already.

Hundreds of attorneys across the country have signed on to an open letter condemning the legal efforts pursued by lawyers for President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) in the hopes of overturning the 2020 election results.
An open letter from Lawyers Defending Democracy (https://lawyersdefendingdemocracy.org/call-for-bar-condemnation-and-investigation-of-president-trumps-campaign-lawyers-for-subverting-american-democracy/) has been signed by more than 1,500 attorneys, law professors and officials in the legal profession, including some high-profile signees such as Laurel Bellows, a former president of both the Chicago Bar Association and the American Bar Association.

"More than 35 losses in election-related cases have made one thing painfully clear: President Trump’s barrage of litigation is a pretext for a campaign to undermine public confidence in the outcome of the 2020 election, which inevitably will subvert constitutional democracy. Sadly, the President’s primary agents and enablers in this effort are lawyers, obligated by their oath and ethical rules to uphold the rule of law," reads the open letter.

The letter comes as the president's legal efforts in the key battleground states of Georgia, Michigan and Pennsylvania were met with more rejections from judges on Monday, including the dismissal of one suit in Georgia dubbed an effort by pro-Trump lawyers to "release the Kraken" against state election officials.

“The claims in the Kraken lawsuit prove to be as mythological as the creature for which they’re named. Georgians can now move forward knowing that their votes, and only their legal votes, were counted accurately, fairly, and reliably," Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (https://thehill.com/person/brad-raffensperger) (R) said Monday of that lawsuit.
More than 1,500 attorneys sign letter condemning Trump legal team | TheHill (https://thehill.com/homenews/news/529124-more-than-1500-attorneys-sign-letter-condemning-trump-legal-team)

Fascinating, Stacy Abrams didn't concede the Georgia governor's race, Hero. Trump didn't concede the US presidential race, Villain.

[stjames1_53]

Believe me, once Trump's ass is out of the WH on 1/21/21 we can then have decent discussions on how to bring this country together. This country is fragile right now because of Trump - once he's gone - we can breathe again.

You haven't wanted a decent discussion since Trump got into office. All you done the past four years is whine and cry and stomp your feet. You 've attacked Trump and his supporters without let up.
Now you want to play nice? Piss off!!!!!

[stjames1_53]

Name one Dem election fraud.

https://thepoliticalforums.com/image.php?u=516&dateline=1349819788

[Davis]

You haven't wanted a decent discussion since Trump got into office. All you done the past four years is whine and cry and stomp your feet. You 've attacked Trump and his supporters without let up.
Now you want to play nice? Piss off!!!!!


That's the great thing about living in a democracy.

You can use as many exclamation points as you want.

[Retirednsmilin308]

Believe me, once Trump's ass is out of the WH on 1/21/21 we can then have decent discussions on how to bring this country together. This country is fragile right now because of Trump - once he's gone - we can breathe again.


The radical left have been insulting and attacking almost half the population for over four years now.

Please explain to my how they plan to be friends with them again. How are they going to extend the olive branch to a group they have vehemently hated for over four years.

What steps will they take to be civil again with them?

What are THEIR PLANS....to reunite the country?

[Retirednsmilin308]

That's the great thing about living in a democracy.

You can use as many exclamation points as you want.

...and have two cases of military caliber ammunition delivered to your front door.
That is another great thing about living in a free country like TEXAS.

[stjames1_53]

The radical left have been insulting and attacking almost half the population for over four years now.

Please explain to my how they plan to be friends with them again. How are they going to extend the olive branch to a group they have vehemently hated for over four years.

What steps will they take to be civil again with them?

What are THEIR PLANS....to reunite the country?

the claim is merely a diversionary tactic. they want to appear to want to play nice while they put a new coat of paint on the cattle cars.

[John Galt]

That's it? Wow....I guess you have finally resigned to the fact that Biden will be our next President. Accepting it is the first step. Good for you girl!
In other news...SNL was all over Carrone! As we expected, it was Cecile/Kate starring.

[stjames1_53]

That's the great thing about living in a democracy.

You can use as many exclamation points as you want.
and when I use them, the DNC sends me more 9mm.................

[John Galt]

If Biden should get in through the fraud allowed to stand there will be no unity. In fact, you should expect all forms of resistance to the occupier. There will be no peace.
Actually, that's a great thing. You should feel the same angst as those who protest racist police forces.

[John Galt]

You haven't wanted a decent discussion since Trump got into office. All you done the past four years is whine and cry and stomp your feet. You 've attacked Trump and his supporters without let up.
Now you want to play nice? Piss off!!!!!
Hell no! Who wants to play nice(ly)? We just look forward to your BDS

[stjames1_53]

Hell no! Who wants to play nice(ly)? We just look forward to your BDS

not from me...sorry to disappoint.
I am sincere when I say that I hope you get everything you want from Biden. It'll be a hoot for your descendants.
Just close your eyes ad dream of VZ......... the latest installment of a socialistic dream society.

[John Galt]

not from me...sorry to disappoint.
I am sincere when I say that I hope you get everything you want from Biden. It'll be a hoot for your descendants.
Just close your eyes ad dream of VZ......... the latest installment of a socialistic dream society.That's just plain silly. What most in this nation 'wanted' from Biden, is that he isn't trump.

That was a great start.

[stjames1_53]

That's just plain silly. What most in this nation 'wanted' from Biden, is that he isn't trump.

That was a great start.

That is the only thing you voted for. You have no idea what Joe is planning, nor do you care.
He has no metric for goals except to tax the hell out of everyone, you included, and remove the police from across the country.
How is allowing illegals to enter to your benefit? How is free medical going to serve you once your benefits are cut to provide them to someone else who hasn't paid for it? How does it serve this nation to allow unskilled and uneducated illegals into the country.
Do they automatically smarten up once the sneak in under the radar?

[Trish]

This president, his administration, and his enablers have exposed the weaknesses within our republic and our democratic principles. We came extremely close to becoming an country with an authoritarian leader. I will not release a sigh of relief until the new administration is sworn in. Congress has a lot of research to do to reveal to the american public any improper actions taken in the last four years. Even if those actions were committed by individuals who have been pardoned. We have the right to know what these individuals have done that would lead to a pardon.

[stjames1_53]

This president, his administration, and his enablers have exposed the weaknesses within our republic and our democratic principles. We came extremely close to becoming an country with an authoritarian leader. I will not release a sigh of relief until the new administration is sworn in. Congress has a lot of research to do to reveal to the american public any improper actions taken in the last four years. Even if those actions were committed by individuals who have been pardoned. We have the right to know what these individuals have done that would lead to a pardon.

oh, cry me a river....what weaknesses are you even screeching about today?

[Davis]

...and have two cases of military caliber ammunition delivered to your front door.
That is another great thing about living in a free country like TEXAS.
Whoop-dee-fucking-doo, Bucyrus.

Do you think that's something special?

[Tahuyaman]

Hell no! Who wants to play nice(ly)? We just look forward to your BDS
There's no such thing as BDS. Donn't think projection is suddenly going to go unnoticed.

[Tahuyaman]

This president, his administration, and his enablers have exposed the weaknesses within our republic and our democratic principles. We came extremely close to becoming an country with an authoritarian leader....
Nothing could be further from the truth. Now, that could be a concern in the future if the hard left gets their way. Of course it wouldn't be one supreme leader, but something similar to a politburo so to speak.

[Abby08]

Even though Biden appears to be in line to take over, just like Covid , TDS seems to be on the rise.
What we really need is a TDS Vaccine. :sign10:


The lawsuits Texas has filed with the Supreme Court, may change things.

2 articles of the constitution were violated by several states regarding voting laws

[Tahuyaman]

That's just plain silly. What most in this nation 'wanted' from Biden, is that he isn't trump.

That was a great start.
Actualy you're right. Biden wasn't someone who inspired people with his message and vision for the future. Most people are already looking ahead to 2024.

[Tahuyaman]

You haven't wanted a decent discussion since Trump got into office. All you done the past four years is whine and cry and stomp your feet. You 've attacked Trump and his supporters without let up.
Now you want to play nice? Piss off!!!!!
That's not going to change. Hyperventilating and emotionally based rants is her default position.

[Tahuyaman]

Believe me, once Trump's ass is out of the WH on 1/21/21 we can then have decent discussions on how to bring this country together. This country is fragile right now because of Trump - once he's gone - we can breathe again.
One thing the rioting, looting and general lawless and irrational conduct from the left has proven is that the country is not fragile. We do have an element which is basically insane and unhinged, but as a whole we easily overcome that. No one who's sane has been unable to breathe over the last four years.

[Davis]

The lawsuits Texas has filed with the Supreme Court, may change things.

2 articles of the constitution were violated by several states regarding voting laws

The suit filed by Texas won't get far enough to even get laughed out of court.

[Trish]

Nothing could be further from the truth. Now, that could be a concern in the future if the hard left gets their way. Of course it wouldn't be one supreme leader, but something similar to a politburo so to speak.

Yes, for me I did feel the country would not have recovered from a Trump 2nd term. He has attacked our democratic principles and our institutions throughout his Administration. It's what happens in authoritarian countries. You don't have to agree with me and I don't expect you to.

[BaghdadBob]

The suit filed by Texas won't get far enough to even get laughed out of court.

Why?

I guarantee the SCOTUS will hear it.

[Tahuyaman]

Yes, for me I did feel the country would not have recovered from a Trump 2nd term. He has attacked our democratic principles and our institutions throughout his Administration. It's what happens in authoritarian countries. You don't have to agree with me and I don't expect you to.
I'm not going to agree because that's detached from reality.

[Tahuyaman]

The suit filed by Texas won't get far enough to even get laughed out of court.
That doesn't make sense, del.

[MisterVeritis]

Name one Dem election fraud.
Why would I do that? If you cared you would already know of the thousands of instances of voting and election fraud in at least five states.

[MisterVeritis]

In other news...SNL was all over Carrone! As we expected, it was Cecile/Kate starring.
Alinsky tactics by the leftists? Naturally.

[MisterVeritis]

Actually, that's a great thing. You should feel the same angst as those who protest racist police forces.
There are no racist police forces.

[Cletus]

Yes, for me I did feel the country would not have recovered from a Trump 2nd term. He has attacked our democratic principles and our institutions throughout his Administration. It's what happens in authoritarian countries. You don't have to agree with me and I don't expect you to.

How did he attack "our democratic principles and our institutions throughout his Administration"?

I am asking because I hear that a lot, but when I ask for specifics, all I get are dumb stares and mumbling. How did he do as you claim. Did he, I don't know... try to disband Congress or something?

[MisterVeritis]

The suit filed by Texas won't get far enough to even get laughed out of court.
It will begin in the Supreme Court.

[Trish]

How did he attack "our democratic principles and our institutions throughout his Administration"?

I am asking because I hear that a lot, but when I ask for specifics, all I get are dumb stares and mumbling. How did he do as you claim. Did he, I don't know... try to disband Congress or something?
I imagine you receive dumb stares and mumbling when you ask this question because for most people it's obvious and people understand that if you can't see it yourself then there's nothing that can be presented to you that you will accept.

I can only suggest that you look at a handful of high profile situations during this administration and substitute Trump's name with someone else in the other party that you would never vote for and ask yourself if you would be okay with it.

for instance:

If Obama directed his staff to ignore subpoenas (pick from multiple instances)
If Clinton demanded the AG investigate his political opponents
If Obama redirected DOD funds for activities or projects unaffiliated with the appropriated requirements of those funds

I could go on and on but as I said, you will never do any true reflection on this president's actions and see anything wrong with what he has done. You're just not capable and I recognize that.

[MisterVeritis]

...
If Obama directed his staff to ignore subpoenas (pick from multiple instances)
I wonder if you are familiar with the US Constitution? The two branches, the Executive and Legislative branches are co-equal.

If Clinton demanded the AG investigate his political opponents
It was the Obama-Biden regime that used the DOJ and CIA to spy on the Trump campaign.

If Obama redirected DOD funds for activities or projects unaffiliated with the appropriated requirements of those funds
This was legitimate based on the Constitution and the law.

I could go on and on ...
Please do. So far you have nothing.

[Cletus]

I imagine you receive dumb stares and mumbling when you ask this question because for most people it's obvious and people understand that if you can't see it yourself then there's nothing that can be presented to you that you will accept.

I can only suggest that you look at a handful of high profile situations during this administration and substitute Trump's name with someone else in the other party that you would never vote for and ask yourself if you would be okay with it.

for instance:

If Obama directed his staff to ignore subpoenas (pick from multiple instances)

Okay, let's see... AG Holder was found in Contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents related to the Fast and Furious program. It took two years of fighting in the courts to get Obama to release those documents. Obama refused to turn over documents related to Solyndra. It took over a year of pressure from Congress to get him to release them.

That is just two examples. If you need more, let me know.

If Clinton demanded the AG investigate his political opponents

If you are talking about investigation into Biden and his son and their relationship with foreign entities and the reports of payoffs and the VP using the power of his office to benefit his son, those were and actually remain legitimate grounds for an investigation, unlike say... Crossfire Hurricane (which you conveniently chose not to mention).

If Obama redirected DOD funds for activities or projects unaffiliated with the appropriated requirements of those funds

I am guessing you are talking about "the wall". As it turns out, that was a legal exercise of his executive power. That actually went to the Supreme Court and the Court ruled in the President's favor.


I could go on and on but as I said, you will never do any true reflection on this president's actions and see anything wrong with what he has done. You're just not capable and I recognize that.

What you have done is generated a fantasy scenario in which President Trump plays the ruthless, corrupt, evil ruler who ties the heroine to the railroad tracks and twirls his moustache while stealing candy from orphans. Unfortunately for you, that has no basis in reality. Trump has been a President who understands the powers of his office and is not afraid to use those powers, even if it makes Liberal brains explode.

If you come up with any more examples, as you claim you can, post them and I'll take a look. Who knows, you might get lucky and find something legitimate to whine about.

[Trish]

Okay, let's see... AG Holder was found in Contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents related to the Fast and Furious program. It took two years of fighting in the courts to get Obama to release those documents. Obama refused to turn over documents related to Solyndra. It took over a year of pressure from Congress to get him to release them.

That is just two examples. If you need more, let me know.


If you are talking about investigation into Biden and his son and their relationship with foreign entities and the reports of payoffs and the VP using the power of his office to benefit his son, those were and actually remain legitimate grounds for an investigation, unlike say... Crossfire Hurricane (which you conveniently chose not to mention).


I am guessing you are talking about "the wall". As it turns out, that was a legal exercise of his executive power. That actually went to the Supreme Court and the Court ruled in the President's favor.



What you have done is generated a fantasy scenario in which President Trump plays the ruthless, corrupt, evil ruler who ties the heroine to the railroad tracks and twirls his moustache while stealing candy from orphans. Unfortunately for you, that has no basis in reality. Trump has been a President who understands the powers of his office and is not afraid to use those powers, even if it makes Liberal brains explode.

If you come up with any more examples, as you claim you can, post them and I'll take a look. Who knows, you might get lucky and find something legitimate to whine about.
Nope - I think my point has been made by your response.

[BaghdadBob]

It will begin in the Supreme Court.

You spoiled the fun. I love guffawing at the ignorance of the left.

[invictus]

I wonder if you are familiar with the US Constitution? The two branches, the Executive and Legislative branches are co-equal.

It was the Obama-Biden regime that used the DOJ and CIA to spy on the Trump campaign.

This was legitimate based on the Constitution and the law.

Please do. So far you have nothing.


Lol, You just dodged and spinned every instance in here...

[MisterVeritis]

Lol, You just dodged and spinned every instance in here...
This is a lie.

[invictus]

Okay, let's see... AG Holder was found in Contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents related to the Fast and Furious program. It took two years of fighting in the courts to get Obama to release those documents. Obama refused to turn over documents related to Solyndra. It took over a year of pressure from Congress to get him to release them.

That is just two examples. If you need more, let me know.


If you are talking about investigation into Biden and his son and their relationship with foreign entities and the reports of payoffs and the VP using the power of his office to benefit his son, those were and actually remain legitimate grounds for an investigation, unlike say... Crossfire Hurricane (which you conveniently chose not to mention).


I am guessing you are talking about "the wall". As it turns out, that was a legal exercise of his executive power. That actually went to the Supreme Court and the Court ruled in the President's favor.



What you have done is generated a fantasy scenario in which President Trump plays the ruthless, corrupt, evil ruler who ties the heroine to the railroad tracks and twirls his moustache while stealing candy from orphans. Unfortunately for you, that has no basis in reality. Trump has been a President who understands the powers of his office and is not afraid to use those powers, even if it makes Liberal brains explode.

If you come up with any more examples, as you claim you can, post them and I'll take a look. Who knows, you might get lucky and find something legitimate to whine about.


So in other words... Both sides are extremely biased as to excusing whatever their side does while demonizing what the opposing party is doing... Even though it's pretty much the same thing?

[invictus]

This is a lie.


Yeah, no it isn't... You didn't directly address a single point he made... Just pointed the finger somewhere else instead.

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, no it isn't... You didn't directly address a single point he made... Just pointed the finger somewhere else instead.
Of course it was a lie. I wonder why you are unaware.

I precisely addressed each of Trish's goofy points.

[invictus]

Of course it was a lie. I wonder why you are unaware.

I precisely addressed each of Trish's goofy points.


No, you pointed the finger at Obama and whatever other crap but you didn't address it....

[MisterVeritis]

No, you pointed the finger at Obama and whatever other crap but you didn't address it....
Thanks for your attempt at making a point.

[invictus]

Thanks for your attempt at making a point.


Yeah anyone neutral reading that post will come to the same conclusion...

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah anyone neutral reading that post will come to the same conclusion...
Only dullards will come to your conclusion.

[invictus]

Only dullards will come to your conclusion.


No dullard will praise you for ignoring actusl points made against Trump... You folks do all kind of acrobatic shit to excuse his sorry ass...

[MisterVeritis]

No dullard will praise you for ignoring actual points made against Trump... You folks do all kind of acrobatic shit to excuse his sorry ass...
I really wish you were smarter. It would be more fun for me. I must learn to accept you as you are.

[invictus]

I really wish you were smarter. It would be more fun for me. I must learn to accept you as you are.


Yeah buddy... You're the one with the tin hat talking about conspiracies and think Trump is some god send figure... You shouldn't insult other people's intelligence, it makes you look even dumber.

[DenverBrian]

The lawsuits Texas has filed with the Supreme Court, may change things.

2 articles of the constitution were violated by several states regarding voting lawsThere is a claim that articles of the constitution were violated. The claims are bogus.

[MisterVeritis]

I must learn to accept you as you are.

Yeah buddy... You're the one with the tin hat talking about conspiracies and think Trump is some god send figure... You shouldn't insult other people's intelligence, it makes you look even dumber.
I accept you as you are.

[invictus]

I must learn to accept you as you are.

I accept you as you are.
Well, you accept Trump as he is so, you are consistent.

[Cletus]

Nope - I think my point has been made by your response.
Actually, MY point has been made by yours.

You have no interest in the truth.

[BaghdadBob]

There is a claim that articles of the constitution were violated. The claims are bogus.

Are you another one of those ignorant internet lawyers, or did your tv tell you to think that?

[Cletus]

So in other words... Both sides are extremely biased as to excusing whatever their side does while demonizing what the opposing party is doing... Even though it's pretty much the same thing?

How did you get that out of what I said? I addressed the supposed "attacks" cited Trish and demonstrated how they were not attacks, at all but legitimate exercises of the Constitutional authority granted the President.

Here is the problem Liberals in general have... If someone does or says something they don't like, they want that person punished for his actions, even though they may be well within his right to do or say the things they are foaming at the mouth about. President Trump is not my favorite person and almost certainly never will be, but he is and has been a very effective President, exactly the kind of person we need to get things done in this country. He understands the powers of his office and he is not afraid to exercise those powers, regardless of who may get pissed off about it. He isn't afraid of offending people or holding others responsible for their actions. He doesn't play the game the way traditional politicians have for a very long time and for that, he is hated by those on the Left and some on the Right.

[invictus]

How did you get that out of what I said? I addressed the supposed "attacks" cited Trish and demonstrated how they were not attacks, at all but legitimate exercises of the Constitutional authority granted the President.

Here is the problem Liberals in general have... If someone does or says something they don't like, they want that person punished for his actions, even though they may be well within his right to do or say the things they are foaming at the mouth about. President Trump is not my favorite person and almost certainly never will be, but he is and has been a very effective President, exactly the kind of person we need to get things done in this country. He understands the powers of his office and he is not afraid to exercise those powers, regardless of who may get pissed off about it. He isn't afraid of offending people or holding others responsible for their actions. He doesn't play the game the way traditional politicians have for a very long time and for that, he is hated by those on the Left and some on the Right.


Well, lets see... You excused Trumps actions while demonizing Obama's... Which were also legal but let's just say not ethical, as Trumps weren't... So yeah, I think I pretty much nailed it with my assessment there...

As far as Liberals trying to shut people up that they don't agree with, well, I actually agree with you on that...

Trump did, somewhat catch on about his legal authority (Or more likely he started to pay attention to what lawyers were telling him) but, especially in the beginning of his presidency, he had no clue on what his authority actually was and he constantly got rebuttals from federal judges putting brakes on his executive orders... He constantly threatens taking actions that are not within his power, which I think he fully means but is clueless about whether he can actually do that... For example, he threatened to go after 'liberal colleges' (withhold funds, etc..) Well, that would be unconstitutional... There's a bunch of crap like that.

[Trish]

Actually, MY point has been made by yours.

You have no interest in the truth.

I disagree wholeheartedly that this administration has followed the constitution in the spirit it was written.

You have no interest in integrity and honor if you aren't able to see how this administration has abused it's power.

[stjames1_53]

I disagree wholeheartedly that this administration has followed the constitution in the spirit it was written.

You have no interest in integrity and honor if you aren't able to see how this administration has abused it's power.

oh, bull shit!!!! Everything he did in office was done according to the law.
You may now return to hell..............

[MisterVeritis]

Well, you accept Trump as he is so, you are consistent.
That I do. He is one of the best President the nation has ever had.

[MisterVeritis]

Well, lets see... You excused Trumps actions while demonizing Obama's... Which were also legal but let's just say not ethical, as Trumps weren't... So yeah, I think I pretty much nailed it with my assessment there...

As far as Liberals trying to shut people up that they don't agree with, well, I actually agree with you on that...

Trump did, somewhat catch on about his legal authority (Or more likely he started to pay attention to what lawyers were telling him) but, especially in the beginning of his presidency, he had no clue on what his authority actually was and he constantly got rebuttals from federal judges putting brakes on his executive orders... He constantly threatens taking actions that are not within his power, which I think he fully means but is clueless about whether he can actually do that... For example, he threatened to go after 'liberal colleges' (withhold funds, etc..) Well, that would be unconstitutional... There's a bunch of crap like that.
President Trump's actions were all legitimate.

[invictus]

That I do. He is one of the best President the nation has ever had.

Yeah, I definitely disagree on that...

[invictus]

President Trump's actions were all legitimate.

I have no doubt you believe that... But holy crap, I'm very much certain you're deluded on that... You're like one of those Reverend Jones' followers....

[MisterVeritis]

I have no doubt you believe that... But holy crap, I'm very much certain you're deluded on that... You're like one of those Reverend Jones' followers....
And yet, I am still right. And you are not.

[invictus]

And yet, I am still right. And you are not.


Yeah, Jones' followers also thought they were right... They believed it as strongly as you do... So, there's that...

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, Jones' followers also thought they were right... They believed it as strongly as you do... So, there's that...
I am not suicidal. I am combative.

[invictus]

I am not suicidal. I am combative.


You're deluded.

[MisterVeritis]

You're deluded.
We shall see. I have a very long history of being right.

[Tahuyaman]

I have no doubt you believe that... But holy crap, I'm very much certain you're deluded on that... You're like one of those Reverend Jones' followers....
People like you can’t separate his actions from his personality. Trump’s policy actions were outstanding. Especially in foreign policy.

[Davis]

Why?

I guarantee the SCOTUS will hear it.

How's that working out for you, Bobby?

[Leanne778]

bring this country together?? Baby...you had your chance between 2016 and 2020 and that's the last chance you're gonna get. The President is not gone.... and there's a good chance he's going to be in office for his rightful and legitimately won four more years. You guys have no shame...it is obvious you have attempted another Coup and God's will you will not get away with this.

But regardless....don't you even dare say unite or cometogether or anything like that you bunch of lying cheating hypocrites.

Wow, meltdown much? I really don't know where your coming up with that crap. Biden hasn't cheated. He won this election fair and square no matter how many lawsuits Trump files.....:smiley_ROFLMAO:

[invictus]

We shall see. I have a very long history of being right.


Yeah, with all due respect... You seem to think you are right even when proven wrong so, I think your track record of being 'right' so often exist only in your head...

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, with all due respect... You seem to think you are right even when proven wrong so, I think your track record of being 'right' so often exist only in your head...
Once again you are wrong.

[MisterVeritis]

Wow, meltdown much? I really don't know where your coming up with that crap. Biden hasn't cheated. He won this election fair and square no matter how many lawsuits Trump files.....:smiley_ROFLMAO:
Biden doesn't know who he is, where he is or what is happening around him. The Democrat party cheated, stealing the election, and perhaps the nation. Biden, if he should become the President will be illegitimate, a pretender.

Expect full spectrum resistance.

[MisterVeritis]

Wow, meltdown much? I really don't know where your coming up with that crap. Biden hasn't cheated. He won this election fair and square no matter how many lawsuits Trump files.....:smiley_ROFLMAO:
President Trump's team has filed five good lawsuits.

[invictus]

People like you can’t separate his actions from his personality. Trump’s policy actions were outstanding. Especially in foreign policy.


Yeah, I'm judging both his actions and his personality... There's always actions behind words, (lying for a reason) and Trumps are despicable to me... Fortunately, he does not have total power as president and has been stopped in his tracks plenty of times but if he did get to do half the crap he threatened to do (which he simply couldn't) we'd be in a whole world of shit right now...

He's a petty man and his actions had proven that.

[invictus]

Once again you are wrong.

LOL, Even the courts won't convince you that I'm not... You're that deluded.

[Leanne778]

There is more fight to go. Be patient. Biden is not your President.

Biden is my President. Trump is just wasting his supporters donations. In fact, one supporter is suing him to get his money back!

[Tahuyaman]

Yeah, I'm judging both his actions and his personality... There's always actions behind words, (lying for a reason) and Trumps are despicable to me... Fortunately, he does not have total power as president and has been stopped in his tracks plenty of times but if he did get to do half the crap he threatened to do (which he simply couldn't) we'd be in a whole world of shit right now...

He's a petty man and his actions had proven that.
Most rational people can separate his actions from his personality. If one is emotionally driven they don’t have the ability to do that.

[MisterVeritis]

LOL, Even the courts won't convince you that I'm not... You're that deluded.
This made no sense.

[MisterVeritis]

Biden is my President. Trump is just wasting his supporters donations. In fact, one supporter is suing him to get his money back!
Biden is not your President.

[Leanne778]

If Biden should get in through the fraud allowed to stand there will be no unity. In fact, you should expect all forms of resistance to the occupier. There will be no peace.
The Trump zombies follow every word Trump says. There was no fraud. There isn't one iota of election fraud. Trump is just throwing sh it against the wall to see if something, anything sticks. Why can't you and your trump zombies see that?

[MisterVeritis]

The Trump zombies follow every word Trump says. There was no fraud. There isn't one iota of election fraud. Trump is just throwing sh it against the wall to see if something, anything sticks. Why can't you and your trump zombies see that?
Everything you wrote is a lie.

[invictus]

Most rational people can separate his actions from his personality. If one is emotionally driven they don’t have the ability to do that.


There's action behind demonizing the press, Mexican, any Republican that disagrees with Trump, lying about election being stolen, blackmailing foreign governments to investigate your political appointments and so on... Sorry buddy, you're premise is way off here...

[Leanne778]

And now....you are going to get to be on the opposite side--the side that has to defend what Biden screws up!

Welcome to your new role. It's an ancient role and a constantly changing role.
Really? Biden has a lot on his plate to clean up the f'ing mess Trump made plus dealing with a pandemic. He may not get everything done but at the very least he has hired a team of experts to try and get COVID under control which Trump could have done very early on but chose not to say a word to the American people about how bad it really is. Some President....and you choose to support him. Oy vey.

[Tahuyaman]

There's action behind demonizing the press, Mexican, any Republican that disagrees with Trump, lying about election being stolen, blackmailing foreign governments to investigate your political appointments and so on... Sorry buddy, you're premise is way off here...

Where did that come from? WTF?

[MisterVeritis]

There's action behind demonizing the press, Mexican, any Republican that disagrees with Trump, lying about election being stolen, blackmailing foreign governments to investigate your political appointments and so on... Sorry buddy, you're premise is way off here...
I hope you are young enough to live a long time under the tyranny you embrace.

[Leanne778]

You haven't wanted a decent discussion since Trump got into office. All you done the past four years is whine and cry and stomp your feet. You 've attacked Trump and his supporters without let up.
Now you want to play nice? Piss off!!!!!
If the shoe fits......

[stjames1_53]

Really? Biden has a lot on his plate to clean up the f'ing mess Trump made plus dealing with a pandemic. He may not get everything done but at the very least he has hired a team of experts to try and get COVID under control which Trump could have done very early on but chose not to say a word to the American people about how bad it really is. Some President....and you choose to support him. Oy vey.

lie after lie...............you are incurable

[Davis]

You spoiled the fun. I love guffawing at the ignorance of the left.
How's that working out for you, Bobo?

[invictus]

Where did that come from? WTF?


Short memory span??? You claimed that I didn't judge him on his actions...

[invictus]

I hope you are young enough to live a long time under the tyranny you embrace.


Yeah, another delusion... Although Trump is definitely trying to take us there.

[stjames1_53]

Short memory span??? You claimed that I didn't judge him on his actions...

and what actions were unconstitutional and/or illegal?

[Tahuyaman]

Really? Biden has a lot on his plate to clean up the f'ing mess Trump made plus dealing with a pandemic. He may not get everything done but at the very least he has hired a team of experts to try and get COVID under control which Trump could have done very early on but chose not to say a word to the American people about how bad it really is. Some President....and you choose to support him. Oy vey.
Biden is a clown. He’s been in government for nearly 50 years and has no record of solving anything. The only thing he’s accomplished is being re-elected by a constituency which is irrelevant.

[Leanne778]

The radical left have been insulting and attacking almost half the population for over four years now.

Please explain to my how they plan to be friends with them again. How are they going to extend the olive branch to a group they have vehemently hated for over four years.

What steps will they take to be civil again with them?

What are THEIR PLANS....to reunite the country?

Would you give me a break? So Trump supporters and their ilk haven't been insulting or attacking?? Really? Come on Retired you know better. Now you just get ready because I'm starting to research what avatar I want you to use for your posts. :wink:

[Leanne778]

In other news...SNL was all over Carrone! As we expected, it was Cecile/Kate starring.
HAHAHAHA! I know! SO funny!!!

[stjames1_53]

Would you give me a break? So Trump supporters and their ilk haven't been insulting or attacking?? Really? Come on Retired you know better. Now you just get ready because I'm starting to research what avatar I want you to use for your posts. :wink:

You miserable POS.....you've been at us since Trump said he was going to run. You are a damned liar......

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, another delusion... Although Trump is definitely trying to take us there.
I am not the one who is embracing tyranny. You are. May you live a long, miserable, damaged life under the tryanny you embrace.

[invictus]

and what actions were unconstitutional and/or illegal?


You know when Trump exercises a SLAPP lawsuit, it's also legal... But the action says he's subverting free speech...

What actions has Obama ever made that were illegal? Yeah, doesn't stop you from disliking him now does it?

[invictus]

I am not the one who is embracing tyranny. You are. May you live a long, miserable, damaged life under the tryanny you embrace.


Buddy, you supporting a man on a quest to overturn the election he has lost. You go as far as saying that even when the courts rule against him, that it would be lawless.... You are pathetically blind when you don't even respect the constitutional process of this country all for this man...

This is how tyranny's always build... A tyrant goes to great lengths to establish a god like worship of himself that people throw away the very system for that tyrant... Stalin did it, Hitler did it, Mao did it... You are ready to throw away all the laws, checks and balances for one man... Wake the fuck up.

[Tahuyaman]

Short memory span??? You claimed that I didn't judge him on his actions...
You don’t. You just proved that.

[exotix]

Where have you been?Here the entire time ... RWNJ's having Delusional Meltdowns like your Dear Leader only allows for a temporary soothing of what's left of your tormented soul ... LOL

[invictus]

You don’t. You just proved that.


So beside a short memory span, comprehension problems as well I see...

[MisterVeritis]

Buddy, you supporting a man on a quest to overturn the election he has lost. You go as far as saying that even when the courts rule against him, that it would be lawless.... You are pathetically blind when you don't even respect the constitutional process of this country all for this man...

This is how tyranny's always build... A tyrant goes to great lengths to establish a god like worship of himself that people throw away the very system for that tyrant... Stalin did it, Hitler did it, Mao did it... You are ready to throw away all the laws, checks and balances for one man... Wake the fuck up.
President Trump won. Your team cheated. You might get away with it. We will know in another week. But you have embraced a tyranny that you will live under for the rest of your life. I hope you pay dearly.

[invictus]

President Trump won. Your team cheated. You might get away with it. We will know in another week. But you have embraced a tyranny that you will live under for the rest of your life. I hope you pay dearly.


Yeah okay... Let the courts rule... So far, it doesn't look good for that goof in the WH.

[exotix]

President Trump won.

Your team cheated.



You might get away with it. We will know in another week. But you have embraced a tyranny that you will live under for the rest of your life. I hope you pay dearly.Post up the proof.

[John Galt]

That is the only thing you voted for. You have no idea what Joe is planning, nor do you care.
He has no metric for goals except to tax the hell out of everyone, you included, and remove the police from across the country.
How is allowing illegals to enter to your benefit? How is free medical going to serve you once your benefits are cut to provide them to someone else who hasn't paid for it? How does it serve this nation to allow unskilled and uneducated illegals into the country.
Do they automatically smarten up once the sneak in under the radar?
Of course I know what he has planned. Unlike you, I listen when he speaks. All that matters now is that Dems take the two Ga seats, which is a long shot. Very long.

The rest of your nonsense isn't worth addressing, as you are grossly uninformed.

[Cletus]

Well, lets see... You excused Trumps actions while demonizing Obama's... Which were also legal but let's just say not ethical, as Trumps weren't... So yeah, I think I pretty much nailed it with my assessment there...

You didn't nail anything. I didn't "demonize" Obama or "excuse" Trump. I stated facts. Trish was whining about Trump refusing to comply with subpoenas and tried to use Obama as an example of someone who did not. As usual, she was wrong. Obama did exactly the same thing and probably worse, because his actions resulted in the deaths of both American and Mexican citizens, including a US Border Patrol agent.

She said Trump used the AG to target political opponents, but she forgot to mention why. Biden's son is dirty and he very probably is as well. That however, didn't seem to matter to her. It also didn't matter that Obama turned the Justice Department loose to investigate claims that were completely spurious and without foundation.

That is not excusing Trump or demonizing Obama. It is just stating facts.

[John Galt]

This president, his administration, and his enablers have exposed the weaknesses within our republic and our democratic principles. We came extremely close to becoming an country with an authoritarian leader. I will not release a sigh of relief until the new administration is sworn in. Congress has a lot of research to do to reveal to the american public any improper actions taken in the last four years. Even if those actions were committed by individuals who have been pardoned. We have the right to know what these individuals have done that would lead to a pardon.From day one, trump has been operating in the dark. His moles are shredding documents as we speak.


There is a small group of public servants who are secretly preserving everything that they can. We will never know all of the crimes that trump has committed while in office.

[invictus]

You didn't nail anything. I didn't "demonize" Obama or "excuse" Trump. I stated facts. Trish was whining about Trump refusing to comply with subpoenas and tried to use Obama as an example of someone who did not. As usual, she was wrong. Obama did exactly the same thing and probably worse, because his actions resulted in the deaths of both American and Mexican citizens, including a US Border Patrol agent.

She said Trump used the AG to target political opponents, but she forgot to mention why. Biden's son is dirty and he very probably is as well. That however, didn't seem to matter to her. It also didn't matter that Obama turned the Justice Department loose to investigate claims that were completely spurious and without foundation.

That is not excusing Trump or demonizing Obama. It is just stating facts.


No you excused Trump while pointing out that Obama did the same things...

Really? Biden's son is dirty? Is that from all the conspiracy sites? Where is all the proof that Giuliani promised he was going to present, you know, when people were casting votes... He seems to have forgotten about it...

[Tahuyaman]

So beside a short memory span, comprehension problems as well I see...
Good bye. We’re done.

[invictus]

Good bye. We’re done.


Yeah, something tells me that I won't be rid of your on-liners that easily.

[John Galt]

Yes, for me I did feel the country would not have recovered from a Trump 2nd term. He has attacked our democratic principles and our institutions throughout his Administration. It's what happens in authoritarian countries. You don't have to agree with me and I don't expect you to.
Given the way he felt empowered after the Senate refused to hold the impeachment trial, a second term would have been too much for this nation to recover from.

Millions of republicans recognized this, and voted for Biden.

[John Galt]

I imagine you receive dumb stares and mumbling when you ask this question because for most people it's obvious and people understand that if you can't see it yourself then there's nothing that can be presented to you that you will accept.

I can only suggest that you look at a handful of high profile situations during this administration and substitute Trump's name with someone else in the other party that you would never vote for and ask yourself if you would be okay with it.

for instance:

If Obama directed his staff to ignore subpoenas (pick from multiple instances)
If Clinton demanded the AG investigate his political opponents
If Obama redirected DOD funds for activities or projects unaffiliated with the appropriated requirements of those funds

I could go on and on but as I said, you will never do any true reflection on this president's actions and see anything wrong with what he has done. You're just not capable and I recognize that.
This is exactly what I've been saying to these individuals for years.

[John Galt]

There is a claim that articles of the constitution were violated. The claims are bogus.

As evidenced by the fact that no facts have been presented to back their silly assertions.

[MisterVeritis]

President Trump won. Your team cheated. You might get away with it. We will know in another week. But you have embraced a tyranny that you will live under for the rest of your life. I hope you pay dearly.

Yeah okay... Let the courts rule... So far, it doesn't look good for that goof in the WH.
The courts, so far, have proven themselves to be corrupt.

Today we have a legitimate President. If Biden succeeds in stealing the election he will never be legitimate.

[Trish]

From day one, trump has been operating in the dark. His moles are shredding documents as we speak.


There is a small group of public servants who are secretly preserving everything that they can. We will never know all of the crimes that trump has committed while in office.

Documents always have more than recipient so just because Trump shreds his copy doesn't mean other recipients shred theirs. And as you said, there are public servants that are preserving records as is required by law.

[MisterVeritis]

Post up the proof.
There is plenty of proof published. There are thousands of sworn affidavits. Why are you so unaware?

[MisterVeritis]

Given the way he felt empowered after the Senate refused to hold the impeachment trial, a second term would have been too much for this nation to recover from.

Millions of republicans recognized this, and voted for Biden.
This is a lie.

[John Galt]

HAHAHAHA! I know! SO funny!!!
Half the nation (the half with an IQ over 80) immediately saw Cecile doing that character before Carone was out of her seat.

[MisterVeritis]

Half the nation (the half with an IQ over 80) immediately saw Cecile doing that character before Carone was out of her seat.
I forget, isn't this a typical Alinsky tactic? Why do you denigrate a witness who is willing to step up unlike the phony whistleblowers who lied about Trump and then sought protection through anonymity?

[John Galt]

Documents always have more than recipient so just because Trump shreds his copy doesn't mean other recipients shred theirs. And as you said, there are public servants that are preserving records as is required by law.
Many of his actions have no documentation. He uses his family for behind the scenes criminal activity. Next year will start off with some very interesting headlines.

[invictus]

President Trump won. Your team cheated. You might get away with it. We will know in another week. But you have embraced a tyranny that you will live under for the rest of your life. I hope you pay dearly.

The courts, so far, have proven themselves to be corrupt.

Today we have a legitimate President. If Biden succeeds in stealing the election he will never be legitimate.

Yeah, what if all three of Trumps appointees on the SC rule against him? Are they corrupt in that case too? Are you seriously going to make so many leaps of faith for Trump?

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, what if all three of Trumps appointees on the SC rule against him? Are they corrupt in that case too? Are you seriously going to make so many leaps of faith for Trump?
You are asking "what if" questions. Let's see what happens. So far it looks like the Roberts Court is a corrupt court.

[Tahuyaman]

Does anyone want to wager against me when I say one year from today Leanne778 will still be posting comments about Trump?

[invictus]

You are asking "what if" questions. Let's see what happens. So far it looks like the Roberts Court is a corrupt court.


Yeah, buddy listen to yourself... You're putting Trumps word over state legislatures, courts (republican judges even) election officials, etc... You have a cult like mentality.

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, buddy listen to yourself... You're putting Trumps word over state legislatures, courts (republican judges even) election officials, etc... You have a cult like mentality.
Trump's word? What are you mumbling incoherently about?

Nearly all judges have refused to hear the evidence and then to allow discovery.

When you remove all chance of justice then one is left with terrorism. That is where we are heading.

[Leanne778]

Actualy you're right. Biden wasn't someone who inspired people with his message and vision for the future. Most people are already looking ahead to 2024.
Not most people. Only trump zombies. That's it. So relax and watch a real President run this country as it should be.

[invictus]

Trump's word? What are you mumbling incoherently about?

Nearly all judges have refused to hear the evidence and then to allow discovery.

When you remove all chance of justice then one is left with terrorism. That is where we are heading.


Yeah, there's the problem. And we've been over this... Judges did hear the evidence, they didn't hide it from themselves as they would have to under your assumptions... And they pretty much all came to the same conclusion... What was presented was not evidence... Hearsay and baseless accusations... I read a couple of affadavits myself and they were a joke...

[Cletus]

No you excused Trump while pointing out that Obama did the same things...

I am not going to argue with you. I suspect I would have a better discussion with a cinder block.

You have been relegated to the status of partisan hack and are no longer considered worth trying to educate.

[invictus]

I am not going to argue with you. I suspect I would have a better discussion with a cinder block.

You have been relegated to the status of partisan hack and are no longer considered worth trying to educate.


I can totally see you arguing with a cinder block...

[Leanne778]

I imagine you receive dumb stares and mumbling when you ask this question because for most people it's obvious and people understand that if you can't see it yourself then there's nothing that can be presented to you that you will accept.

I can only suggest that you look at a handful of high profile situations during this administration and substitute Trump's name with someone else in the other party that you would never vote for and ask yourself if you would be okay with it.

for instance:

If Obama directed his staff to ignore subpoenas (pick from multiple instances)
If Clinton demanded the AG investigate his political opponents
If Obama redirected DOD funds for activities or projects unaffiliated with the appropriated requirements of those funds

I could go on and on but as I said, you will never do any true reflection on this president's actions and see anything wrong with what he has done. You're just not capable and I recognize that.
Great post Trish....:applause:

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, there's the problem. And we've been over this... Judges did hear the evidence, they didn't hide it from themselves as they would have to under your assumptions... And they pretty much all came to the same conclusion... What was presented was not evidence... Hearsay and baseless accusations... I read a couple of affadavits myself and they were a joke...
Which judge heard the evidence?

Name and case, please.

[Cletus]

Great post Trish....:applause:
It figures that you would cheer lies and distortions. You are without doubt one of the least informed, most hateful and dishonest posters it has ever been my displeasure to encounter.

[invictus]

Which judge heard the evidence?

Name and case, please.

All of them... You do realize there is no jury... The evidence is presented to the judge... Guess what they do? They review it and rule where the case should go from there... Like I said, I read a couple of affidavits myself and they were a joke.. Some loose connections between Venezuela and US...

[Tahuyaman]

Not most people. Only trump zombies. That's it. So relax and watch a real President run this country as it should be.
You’re a Trump zombie. He lives in your head 24/7. He will for the rest of your life.

Holefully we’ll have a real president after the 2024 election.

[MisterVeritis]

All of them... You do realize there is no jury... The evidence is presented to the judge... Guess what they do? They review it and rule where the case should go from there... Like I said, I read a couple of affidavits myself and they were a joke.. Some loose connections between Venezuela and US...
Not one judge heard the evidence that I am aware of.

[invictus]

Not one judge heard the evidence that I am aware of.


Yeah, when they cite lack of evidence... That pretty much means they heard the arguments and affidavits and decided it was worthless... That's how the legal system works you know? The judge doesn't get to just cover his or her eyes... They actually look through it and rule on that... I'm guessing your conspiracy sites tell you different and ofcourse, the crap you read on the internet is always accurate. (When it favors Trump)

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, when they cite lack of evidence... That pretty much means they heard the arguments and affidavits and decided it was worthless... That's how the legal system works you know? The judge doesn't get to just cover his or her eyes... They actually look through it and rule on that... I'm guessing your conspiracy sites tell you different and ofcourse, the crap you read on the internet is always accurate. (When it favors Trump)
There was plenty of evidence provided to the courts.

I am warming to the coming civil war.

[Leanne778]

Biden is not your President.

Yeah he is. I voted for him and so did thousands of others, he's elected, he's got the votes. He will be moving into the WH in January whether you like it or not.

[Leanne778]

Everything you wrote is a lie.

:laughing4:

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah he is. I voted for him and so did thousands of others, he's elected, he's got the votes. He will be moving into the WH in January whether you like it or not.
It is possible Biden will move into the White House. But he will be illegitimate. The Democrat party stole the election.

Expect full spectrum resistance.

[Leanne778]

You miserable POS.....you've been at us since Trump said he was going to run. You are a damned liar......
Ooops...did I hit a nerve? What are you gonna do now? Go start another thread about me in the hole? Crying f'ing baby.

[Cletus]

I can totally see you arguing with a cinder block...
I just did... A cinder block who calls himself Invictus.

Some of you guys are really just disgusting because you have no interest in the truth. You, Little Dick Zhlubb or whatever his name is, Galt... That stupid Leanne sow. None of you are honest posters.

[invictus]

I just did... A cinder block who calls himself Invictus.

Some of you guys are really just disgusting because you have no interest in the truth. You, Little Dick Zhlubb or whatever his name is, Galt... That stupid Leanne sow. None of you are honest posters.


Really? I'm not the one that would ignore the freaking courts in favor of Trump... And how many times now Trumps case has been thrown out? Thirty something? Forty something? But all that means is corrupt judges, right? You're not even honest with yourself buddy...

[Cletus]

Really? I'm not the one that would ignore the freaking courts in favor of Trump... And how many times now Trumps case has been thrown out? Thirty something? Forty something? But all that means is corrupt judges, right? You're not even honest with yourself buddy...

This is what I mean. Now, you are just making shit up. I never said anything about ignoring the courts. You can't handle the truth, so you have to create lies.

You are what is most wrong with this country.

[invictus]

This is what I mean. Now, you are just making $#@! up. I never said anything about ignoring the courts. You can't handle the truth, so you have to create lies.

You are what is most wrong with this country.


Well, you jumped into conversation where I and MV were discussing this very topic... So what truth is there? I read a couple of affidavits myself... I hear what Trump is saying and it's not matching with what he's presenting in court either... So, I know he is full of BS...

[MisterVeritis]

Well, you jumped into conversation where I and MV were discussing this very topic... So what truth is there? I read a couple of affidavits myself... I hear what Trump is saying and it's not matching with what he's presenting in court either... So, I know he is full of BS...
There is enough evidence for the courts to direct discovery with subpoena power. The courts have proved they are corrupt, allowing the states to clean up the evidence before it can be discovered.

So violence is looking far more likely and much sooner.

While we wait for the violence we will continue to fight.

[invictus]

There is enough evidence for the courts to direct discovery with subpoena power. The courts have proved they are corrupt, allowing the states to clean up the evidence before it can be discovered.

So violence is looking far more likely and much sooner.

While we wait for the violence we will continue to fight.


Who are they going to subpoena? There's no direct accusation against a single person or entity?

[Leanne778]

President Trump won. Your team cheated. You might get away with it. We will know in another week. But you have embraced a tyranny that you will live under for the rest of your life. I hope you pay dearly.

The courts, so far, have proven themselves to be corrupt.

Today we have a legitimate President. If Biden succeeds in stealing the election he will never be legitimate.
Funny...many of those judges who tossed the suits out were picked by Trump. Things that make you go hmmmm.....

[John Galt]

Ooops...did I hit a nerve? What are you gonna do now? Go start another thread about me in the hole? Crying f'ing baby.
There's quite a bit of that going on here since election day. Is this the norm? I really hadn't posted much on this board.

[Leanne778]

Does anyone want to wager against me when I say one year from today @Leanne778 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3475) will still be posting comments about Trump?
You may be right. I don't see Trump walking quietly away.

[Leanne778]

It is possible Biden will move into the White House. But he will be illegitimate. The Democrat party stole the election.

Expect full spectrum resistance.
Believe me. If this election was rigged we'd have the senate too.

[Leanne778]

There's quite a bit of that going on here since election day. Is this the norm? I really hadn't posted much on this board.
I didn't think it was either. I was shocked to say the least but not surprised. They have done it to a few lefties in here.

[MisterVeritis]

Who are they going to subpoena? There's no direct accusation against a single person or entity?
It is not my job to know. The legal teams for each of the complaints know.

[MisterVeritis]

Funny...many of those judges who tossed the suits out were picked by Trump. Things that make you go hmmmm.....
This is a lie.

[MisterVeritis]

Believe me. If this election was rigged we'd have the senate too.
You cheated.

[John Galt]

I didn't think it was either. I was shocked to say the least but not surprised. They have done it to a few lefties in here.
Some of them are calling for criminal activity on a public message board. That's not very intelligent.

And the complained about Kathy Griffin

[invictus]

It is not my job to know. The legal teams for each of the complaints know.


The judges said in their rulings that accusations aren't supported by evidence or are hearsay... Again, nothing directed at any one person or entity... There's nothing to discover... Nothing to subpoena...

[MisterVeritis]

Some of them are calling for criminal activity on a public message board. That's not very intelligent.

And the complained about Kathy Griffin
No one is calling for criminal activity. But there will be a civil war. You team is forcing it. Maybe you think you can win it.

[MisterVeritis]

The judges said in their rulings that accusations aren't supported by evidence or are hearsay... Again, nothing directed at any one person or entity... There's nothing to discover... Nothing to subpoena...
The judges did not hear the evidence. They are wholly corrupt.

[Leanne778]

Some of them are calling for criminal activity on a public message board. That's not very intelligent.

And the complained about Kathy Griffin
Well it just shows how they are that's all. I didn't expect anything else.

[invictus]

The judges did not hear the evidence. They are wholly corrupt.


Yeah, the evidence was presented to the judges. Do you not understand that? Are you not aware how the courts work?

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, the evidence was presented to the judges. Do you not understand that? Are you not aware how the courts work?
The judges dismissed the cases without hearing the evidence.

[invictus]

The judges dismissed the cases without hearing the evidence.


Yeah, thats not how it works... The judges don't get to ignore evidence... Your whole premise is wrong.

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, thats not how it works... The judges don't get to ignore evidence... Your whole premise is wrong.
And yet that is precisely what the judges did. They dismissed the cases without hearing the evidence.

[Leanne778]

This is a lie.
A federal judge appointed by President Donald Trump rejected what he called a “creative” lawsuit on Thursday. It was a suit that Georgia’s assistant attorney general warned would cause the Peach State’s largest disenfranchisement since the Jim Crow era.
“To halt the certification at literally the 11th hour would breed confusion and disenfranchisement that I find have no basis in fact and law,” U.S. District Judge Steven Grimberg declared at the end of a roughly two-and-a-half hour hearing.

Trump-Appointed Judge Rejects Lin Wood's Georgia Lawsuit | Law & Crime (lawandcrime.com) (https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-appointed-judge-rejects-lin-woods-creative-election-lawsuit-in-georgia/)


When a federal appeals panel in Philadelphia rejected Trump’s election challenge just five days after it reached the court, Trump legal advisor Jenna Ellis called their work a product of “the activist judicial machinery in Pennsylvania.”

But Trump appointed the judge who wrote the Nov. 27 opinion.

“Voters, not lawyers, choose the president. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections,” Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote as the 3rd U.S. Circuit panel refused to stop the state from certifying its results for Democrat Joe Biden, a demand he called “breathtaking.”
Trump losing in courts where he was planning to win | khou.com (https://www.khou.com/article/news/nation-world/trump-election-lawsuit-losses/507-5d716d86-97a8-4aa3-bbe9-e72140e36e11)


Say what?

[MisterVeritis]

You: many of those judges who tossed the suits out were picked by Trump.
Me: This is a lie.


A federal judge appointed by President Donald Trump rejected what he called a “creative” lawsuit on Thursday. It was a suit that Georgia’s assistant attorney general warned would cause the Peach State’s largest disenfranchisement since the Jim Crow era.
“To halt the certification at literally the 11th hour would breed confusion and disenfranchisement that I find have no basis in fact and law,” U.S. District Judge Steven Grimberg declared at the end of a roughly two-and-a-half hour hearing.

Trump-Appointed Judge Rejects Lin Wood's Georgia Lawsuit | Law & Crime (lawandcrime.com) (https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-appointed-judge-rejects-lin-woods-creative-election-lawsuit-in-georgia/)


When a federal appeals panel in Philadelphia rejected Trump’s election challenge just five days after it reached the court, Trump legal advisor Jenna Ellis called their work a product of “the activist judicial machinery in Pennsylvania.”

But Trump appointed the judge who wrote the Nov. 27 opinion.

“Voters, not lawyers, choose the president. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections,” Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote as the 3rd U.S. Circuit panel refused to stop the state from certifying its results for Democrat Joe Biden, a demand he called “breathtaking.”
Trump losing in courts where he was planning to win | khou.com (https://www.khou.com/article/news/nation-world/trump-election-lawsuit-losses/507-5d716d86-97a8-4aa3-bbe9-e72140e36e11)

Say what?
One judge does not many make.

[invictus]

You: many of those judges who tossed the suits out were picked by Trump.
Me: This is a lie.


One judge does not many make.


Yeah, they all pretty much say the same thing...

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, they all pretty much say the same thing...
One or two were Trump appointees.

The corruption is so deep I do not believe the nation can survive it.

[Tahuyaman]

You may be right. I don't see Trump walking quietly away.
Will that be your excuse for allowing him to remain living in your head for the next four years?

[Leanne778]

One or two were Trump appointees.

The corruption is so deep I do not believe the nation can survive it.

Here's another one....

However, the Trump campaign already suffered defeat at the Wisconsin Supreme Court this week. And in federal court, District Judge Brett H. Ludwig expressed skepticism Friday about Trump’s arguments as he held an initial status hearing in a suit seeking to overturn Biden’s victory there.
While the hearing largely dealt only with setting a rapid schedule of filings and hearings next week, Ludwig — a Trump nominee who took the bench only in September — noted that the president has requested “extraordinary” relief.
He added that he had a “very, very hard time” seeing why Trump brought the action in federal court. Ludwig also termed a Trump request to “remand” the election back to the state legislature “bizarre.”

Trump Loses Six More Court Cases | Diane Ravitch's blog (https://dianeravitch.net/2020/12/05/trump-loses-six-more-court-cases/)

[MisterVeritis]

Here's another one....

However, the Trump campaign already suffered defeat at the Wisconsin Supreme Court this week. And in federal court, District Judge Brett H. Ludwig expressed skepticism Friday about Trump’s arguments as he held an initial status hearing in a suit seeking to overturn Biden’s victory there.
While the hearing largely dealt only with setting a rapid schedule of filings and hearings next week, Ludwig — a Trump nominee who took the bench only in September — noted that the president has requested “extraordinary” relief.
He added that he had a “very, very hard time” seeing why Trump brought the action in federal court. Ludwig also termed a Trump request to “remand” the election back to the state legislature “bizarre.”

Trump Loses Six More Court Cases | Diane Ravitch's blog (https://dianeravitch.net/2020/12/05/trump-loses-six-more-court-cases/)
Now if you can find twenty more you will have your "many".

One wonders why the courts and judges will not do their jobs.

[FindersKeepers]

Really? Biden has a lot on his plate to clean up the f'ing mess Trump made plus dealing with a pandemic. He may not get everything done but at the very least he has hired a team of experts to try and get COVID under control which Trump could have done very early on but chose not to say a word to the American people about how bad it really is. Some President....and you choose to support him. Oy vey.


Biden "hired a team of experts" to render the illusion that he's trying to get covid under control. LOL

And, you fell for it.

[DGUtley]

oh, bull shit!!!! Everything he did in office was done according to the law.
You may now return to hell..............



WARNING stjames1_53, that is a bit harsh. please discuss the thread and not posters. Thank you.

[stjames1_53]

Biden "hired a team of experts" to render the illusion that he's trying to get covid under control. LOL

And, you fell for it.

and here all of this time, I thought it cleared up when he got voted in..................well, he said it would

[Retirednsmilin308]

Would you give me a break? So Trump supporters and their ilk haven't been insulting or attacking?? Really? Come on Retired you know better. Now you just get ready because I'm starting to research what avatar I want you to use for your posts. :wink:

so, no...you do not know what plans they have to unite the country or extend the olive branch to conservatives.

I know why they have no plan...it is because they are NOT PLANNING TO UNITE the country in any way.
They want to continue with the rabid hate.

Personally, I hope they do.

This country needs another "washing in the blood " scenario. There is no other solution at this point. Your buddies on the left are too in-bed with Marxists, Communists, and radically insane people for us to ever have a peaceful solution to the problems we face today.

This election has shown your buddies have a complete disregard for rule of law and the constitution.

There are some who hate Trump so much, they would rather see the whole country in flames and the dead littering the streets, rather than see him in the White House again.

...and I am willing to have that come to pass too, rather than see a Marxist, Communist, and the radically insane take over my beloved country. Because, if they take over, they will be the ones doing the wholesale killing...and i took an oath to stop them.

******************************

but don't worry, I honor my word. If Biden is sworn in on January 20th I will carry whatever avatar you would like me to have until February 21st. Make it a good one.

What about you? Do you plan to honor you commitment too?

Did you copy the one I selected for you?

Here it is again...

33428

[Retirednsmilin308]

Does anyone want to wager against me when I say one year from today @Leanne778 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3475) will still be posting comments about Trump?

I say for the next four (4) years, after the House of Representatives votes to re-elect him because of all the corruption and cheating that went on in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

...but that's OK.. @Leanne778 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3475) and @Trish (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2158) have special places in my heart. :love7:

[Retirednsmilin308]

Not most people. Only trump zombies. That's it. So relax and watch a real President run this country as it should be.

I can only assume you are talking about HARRIS...right?
You just know they are going to ditch Biden after the first few months in.
Pelosi and Harris already have it planned out.

...but they will never get that far. Too much corruption and cheating to allow that.

If is IS ALLOWED...there will be war....and Biden will be a wartime prez....but not for long.

So, you see...he will not last long no matter what scenario.

[Retirednsmilin308]

@Leanne778 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3475)...just don't get to liking Biden for too very long.

I will not make this post about you individually, but would like to point out the fact Biden is TOAST if he wins.

Those two California " law makers ", Pelosi and Harris are going to do away with him in some way post-haste.
They already have a plans A, B, & C, in place.
No room for moderates with them. Only for radicals that hate the United States more than they hate Trump.
I would not be surprised if they offer Kapernick(sp) a cabinet post.
Those are the people they will fill their cabinet with.

...and there will NEVER be another free and fair election in this country ever again. Even if you thought this last one was.

************************************************** ****

After Trump and Biden are toast, who will you hate then? Where will BLM and AntiFa focus their efforts?

It can't be Pelosi or Harris. You have been singing their praises since i joined.

[invictus]

One or two were Trump appointees.

The corruption is so deep I do not believe the nation can survive it.

Or the more likely answer is that there is no corruption and even Trump appointees recognise that.

[MisterVeritis]

Or the more likely answer is that there is no corruption and even Trump appointees recognise that.
An uncorrupted court would have granted discovery.

[invictus]

An uncorrupted court would have granted discovery.


Or, back here in reality, they looked over the case and allegations and deemed it hearsay lacking evidence... Their actual conclusions... Discover, as it seems you're not aware, is when defence forces (getting a judge's order) prosecution to reveal how they obtained the evidence... So, whatever you think discovery is, well, it doesn't match the actual reality of judicial systems proceedings...

[MisterVeritis]

Or, back here in reality, they looked over the case and allegations and deemed it hearsay lacking evidence... Their actual conclusions... Discover, as it seems you're not aware, is when defence forces (getting a judge's order) prosecution to reveal how they obtained the evidence... So, whatever you think discovery is, well, it doesn't match the actual reality of judicial systems proceedings...
If a court is deeming sworn statements inadequate without hearing the evidence that court is corrupt. Without subpoena power we will never be able to collect enough evidence to prove our case.

[invictus]

If a court is deeming sworn statements inadequate without hearing the evidence that court is corrupt. Without subpoena power we will never be able to collect enough evidence to prove our case.

Sworn statements was the evidence and as judges pointed out, it came down to hearsay and accusations lacking evidence... You know, EVIDENCE, kind of an important aspect to making your case? Well, there was none.

Who or what do you subpoena? Just as an example, one of the affidavits claimed similarities the way election went from a Trump lead to Biden lead and he's basing that supposedly the election went into Huga Chavez's favor as well and that was a rigged election...

Besides the fact the it is well recognized that Hugo Chavez was extremely popular in Venezuela and didn't need to steal elections... The 'witnesses' testimony provided no evidence... Nothing, just an accusation and based on that, what do you subpoena exactly? There's nothing...

[MisterVeritis]

Sworn statements was the evidence and as judges pointed out, it came down to hearsay and accusations lacking evidence... You know, EVIDENCE, kind of an important aspect to making your case? Well, there was none.

You are a liar.

[invictus]

You are a liar.


Really? Have you read a single, actual conclusion that the judges presented when dismissing the case? Something tells me you didn't.

[MisterVeritis]

Really? Have you read a single, actual conclusion that the judges presented when dismissing the case? Something tells me you didn't.
The cases were dismissed without hearing the evidence. In at least one case the case was dismissed because too many people had cheated. We can't throw out that many votes...

[invictus]

The cases were dismissed without hearing the evidence. In at least one case the case was dismissed because too many people had cheated. We can't throw out that many votes...


Yeah, how about a link to that case...

From what I know, Trump team failed to mention a single person or entity... Seriously, if this was true why hasn't Trump put Barr on it?

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, how about a link to that case...

From what I know, Trump team failed to mention a single person or entity... Seriously, if this was true why hasn't Trump put Barr on it?
Why would I give you links?

[invictus]

Why would I give you links?


Well I think your claim is complete BS or at best, you read it on one of the conspiracy sites... I'd think you'd want to be able to back up the BS, you know, to have credibility... Perhaps I'm wrong.

[MisterVeritis]

Well I think your claim is complete BS or at best, you read it on one of the conspiracy sites... I'd think you'd want to be able to back up the BS, you know, to have credibility... Perhaps I'm wrong.
I have posted links to the evidence. Others have posted links to the judges dismissals of the cases.

[Peter1469]

Or, back here in reality, they looked over the case and allegations and deemed it hearsay lacking evidence... Their actual conclusions... Discover, as it seems you're not aware, is when defence forces (getting a judge's order) prosecution to reveal how they obtained the evidence... So, whatever you think discovery is, well, it doesn't match the actual reality of judicial systems proceedings...
Discovery is the request for documents (including electronic) relevant to the case, depositions of witnesses, and requests for admissions and denials.

[stjames1_53]

Discovery is the request for documents (including electronic) relevant to the case, depositions of witnesses, and requests for admissions and denials.

Discovery, as it seems you're not aware, is when defence forces (getting a judge's order) prosecution to reveal how they obtained the evidence..Is not a demand. It is required to provide both parties to what information PERTAINING to the case that the attorneys intend to use in that case.....If one party stonewalls or attempts to hide exculpatory evidence, it is assumed that it would be exposed through Discovery.
Then, a judge can be used to leverage that information or evidence to be shared.
It's pretty much a no-brainer...........that is if one has any legal experience to speak of.

[invictus]

Is not a demand. It is required to provide both parties to what information PERTAINING to the case that the attorneys intend to use in that case.....If one party stonewalls or attempts to hide exculpatory evidence, it is assumed that it would be exposed through Discovery.
Then, a judge can be used to leverage that information or evidence to be shared.
It's pretty much a no-brainer...........that is if one has any legal experience to speak of.

Usually it is a request made by the defence team and Judge decides whether there's sufficient reason to allow it.... I could be wrong.

[invictus]

Discovery is the request for documents (including electronic) relevant to the case, depositions of witnesses, and requests for admissions and denials.


Yeah and it's usually done by the defence team, not the prosecutors... So in what world does Trump team push for discovery? They made the damn accusations.

[invictus]

I have posted links to the evidence. Others have posted links to the judges dismissals of the cases.


Show one...

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah and it's usually done by the defence team, not the prosecutors... So in what world does Trump team push for discovery? They made the damn accusations.
As there are at least 50 complaints there are plenty of discovery opportunities.

[MisterVeritis]

I have posted links to the evidence. Others have posted links to the judges dismissals of the cases.

Show one...
No. You are lazy.

[Peter1469]

Usually it is a request made by the defence team and Judge decides whether there's sufficient reason to allow it.... I could be wrong.

Judges prefer the parties to handle discovery professionally. If needed a party could request the judge to get involved.

[Peter1469]

Yeah and it's usually done by the defence team, not the prosecutors... So in what world does Trump team push for discovery? They made the damn accusations.
We are talking about a civil case. Plaintiffs and defendants.

In a criminal trial there is less discovery in some ways. There is the Brady Rule (which DoJ screwed up with the Flynn case) where the prosecution has an affirmative duty to search for and disclose any evidence that reasonably my benefit the defense. And of course the prosecutor can't depose the defendant.

[stjames1_53]

Yeah and it's usually done by the defence team, not the prosecutors... So in what world does Trump team push for discovery? They made the damn accusations.
Discovery is shared, not withheld. and this is a civil case, not a criminal case, so the rules are different.

[invictus]

Discovery is shared, not withheld. and this is a civil case, not a criminal case, so the rules are different.


It's really up to the judge from what I understand. And I don't see how judge withheld anything from Trump's team here...

[MisterVeritis]

It's really up to the judge from what I understand. And I don't see how judge withheld anything from Trump's team here...
Dismissing a case before hearing any evidence prevents discovery.

[invictus]

Dismissing a case before hearing any evidence prevents discovery.


Yeah, we've been over this... They did hear the evidence.. Infact, they specifically pointed to the fact that Trumps team lacked it.... It's like talking to a wall here.

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, we've been over this... They did hear the evidence.. Infact, they specifically pointed to the fact that Trumps team lacked it.... It's like talking to a wall here.
No. They didn't.

[invictus]

No. They didn't.


Yeah... That's the way Trump does it... Just deny it and that's that...

Well, the reality doesn't match up with that...

The evidence was presented to the judges in the first place... What exactly do you think they did, hide it from themselves? Your position is not even remotely logical here.

[MisterVeritis]

Sworn statements was the evidence and as judges pointed out, it came down to hearsay and accusations lacking evidence... You know, EVIDENCE, kind of an important aspect to making your case? Well, there was none.

Who or what do you subpoena? Just as an example, one of the affidavits claimed similarities the way election went from a Trump lead to Biden lead and he's basing that supposedly the election went into Huga Chavez's favor as well and that was a rigged election...

Besides the fact the it is well recognized that Hugo Chavez was extremely popular in Venezuela and didn't need to steal elections... The 'witnesses' testimony provided no evidence... Nothing, just an accusation and based on that, what do you subpoena exactly? There's nothing...
First person observations are not hearsay.

The judges are corrupt.

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah... That's the way Trump does it... Just deny it and that's that...

Well, the reality doesn't match up with that...

The evidence was presented to the judges in the first place... What exactly do you think they did, hide it from themselves? Your position is not even remotely logical here.
The judges dismissed the cases without hearing the evidence. The judges are corrupt.

This is why judges are always among the first assassination targets in a civil war. When I first began studying civil wars (small wars really) I did not understand why judges had their heads blown off. Now I do.

[testsubjectalpha]

Snowflake, 1,500 attorney's and law professors. That is rather unimpressive to say the most. I probably have 1500 of such within 10 miles of where I am.

***yawn***




:rofl: Release the Kraken!! Give it up already.

Hundreds of attorneys across the country have signed on to an open letter condemning the legal efforts pursued by lawyers for President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) in the hopes of overturning the 2020 election results.
An open letter from Lawyers Defending Democracy (https://lawyersdefendingdemocracy.org/call-for-bar-condemnation-and-investigation-of-president-trumps-campaign-lawyers-for-subverting-american-democracy/) has been signed by more than 1,500 attorneys, law professors and officials in the legal profession, including some high-profile signees such as Laurel Bellows, a former president of both the Chicago Bar Association and the American Bar Association.

"More than 35 losses in election-related cases have made one thing painfully clear: President Trump’s barrage of litigation is a pretext for a campaign to undermine public confidence in the outcome of the 2020 election, which inevitably will subvert constitutional democracy. Sadly, the President’s primary agents and enablers in this effort are lawyers, obligated by their oath and ethical rules to uphold the rule of law," reads the open letter.

The letter comes as the president's legal efforts in the key battleground states of Georgia, Michigan and Pennsylvania were met with more rejections from judges on Monday, including the dismissal of one suit in Georgia dubbed an effort by pro-Trump lawyers to "release the Kraken" against state election officials.

“The claims in the Kraken lawsuit prove to be as mythological as the creature for which they’re named. Georgians can now move forward knowing that their votes, and only their legal votes, were counted accurately, fairly, and reliably," Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (https://thehill.com/person/brad-raffensperger) (R) said Monday of that lawsuit.
More than 1,500 attorneys sign letter condemning Trump legal team | TheHill (https://thehill.com/homenews/news/529124-more-than-1500-attorneys-sign-letter-condemning-trump-legal-team)

[Davis]

What will you trumplings do when SCOTUS tosses this latest dog's breakfast to the curb?

Secede?

[Peter1469]

What will you trumplings do when SCOTUS tosses this latest dog's breakfast to the curb?

Secede?
No.

Continue living life.

[Davis]

No.

Continue living life.


Excellent.

I'd miss laughing at you.

[testsubjectalpha]

Yo Hunter, quit being a bogart asswipe, and pass the krack man.

[Dr. Who]

I have posted links to the evidence. Others have posted links to the judges dismissals of the cases.

Yes, which is analogous to the process of scientific review. If X submits a study for peer review and the stated methodology is garbage, no one is going to bother looking at the data or conclusions. The study will be dismissed.