Kevin McCarthy is a Traitor

[TheLiquidGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ6LlDr8q2U

[Leanne778]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ6LlDr8q2U

He should resign. I believe all the republicans involved in overturning the election should resign as well. They accomplished nothing with the exception of ripping apart their own party.

[The Booman]

Isn't this a treasonous offense?

[Abby08]

He should resign. I believe all the republicans involved in overturning the election should resign as well. They accomplished nothing with the exception of ripping apart their own party.


All democrats involved with the voter fraud should not only resign, they should be tried for treason.

They have succeeded in destroying the entire country.

[Cletus]

Liquid Guy is a phony punk who preaches unity and then posts divisive, lying bullshit like this thread.

He may be an American by birth, but he is most definitely NOT an American in his belief system or his conduct.

[TheLiquidGuy]

Liquid Guy is a phony punk who preaches unity and then posts divisive, lying bullshit like this thread.

He may be an American by birth, but he is most definitely NOT an American in his belief system or his conduct.
I would say the same about Kevin McCarthy

Do you hear that everyone? Apparently it is un American to disagree with Cletus’ world view.

Kevin McCarthy promoted that wackadoodle Marjorie Taylor Greene to the education committee after she planned to execute the Speaker and appeared to be passing information and cooperating with insurrectionists.

[The Booman]

I would say the same about Kevin McCarthy

Do you hear that everyone? Apparently it is un American to disagree with Cletus’ world view.

Kevin McCarthy promoted that wackadoodle Marjorie Taylor Greene to the education committee after she planned to execute the Speaker and appeared to be passing information and cooperating with insurrectionists.


Please stop lying, Waterboy.

[Chris]

Liquid Guy is a phony punk who preaches unity and then posts divisive, lying bullshit like this thread.

He may be an American by birth, but he is most definitely NOT an American in his belief system or his conduct.


As Mister D has repeatedly pointed out, this sort of anti-Trumpism is all the left has to unite them. Biden, Harris, and the rest of the Democrats offer nothing in the way of hope.

[donttread]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ6LlDr8q2U


You would think that a Project named after a guy called "Honest Abe" would not make Baseless Claims. I'm pretty sure he did not vote against Democrisy nor did he leave anyone or anything bleeding.
His alliegances do seem to be changeable , perhaps for sale?
These people really need to be hit with Truth in Advertising. For starters let's talk about whom Lincoln waged the war that freed the slaves against? Bet that's not on the brochure

[hanger4]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ6LlDr8q2U

How inciteful of the Lincoln Project.

[Cletus]

I would say the same about Kevin McCarthy


Of course you would. I would expect nothing more from you. You have been sowing division and spreading lies and Leftists propaganda since the day you arrived here.


Do you hear that everyone? Apparently it is un American to disagree with Cletus’ world view.


I never said any such thing. I said YOU are un-American in your actions and ideology. You are not an honest and forthright person.


Kevin McCarthy promoted that wackadoodle Marjorie Taylor Greene to the education committee after she planned to execute the Speaker and appeared to be passing information and cooperating with insurrectionists.


There was no insurrection. I really do wish you clowns would stop with the dishonest, divisive hyperbole. There are a lot of people out there like Leanne who are actually stupid enough to believe that bullshit.

[Hoosier8]

He should resign. I believe all the republicans involved in overturning the election should resign as well. They accomplished nothing with the exception of ripping apart their own party.

Yeah, constitutional rights are no longer allowed during emperor Biden’s reign of fascism.

[carolina73]

Kevin McCathy is a neoconservative. Neoconservatives are Leftists that just happen to have strong religious faith.

Seeing him turn on Trump is no surprise. Seeing him twist back toward him when he realizes his little coup would not work is also no surprise.

Watching Pelosi go far left and bending over for AOC is also no surprise. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden are all contradicting many things that they said in their past.

The Lincoln Project is an MSNBC afiliate move to protect the neoconservatives.
McCain's campaign manager Steve Schmidt is a frequent guest on Morning Joe and was the co-founder of the Lincoln Project. His gay partner was ousted for demanding sex from men in the workplace if they wanted to keep their job. Mike Barnacle (also on the show) serves as their consultant. John Galen you will most often find printed in the Washington Post. Joe Scarborough is their media mouthpiece.

The Lincoln Project is a Democratic Super Pac

Their money was spent to run against all Republicans in swing state races, not just Trump. Pretending this was an anti-Trump group is ridiculous.

Their donor list
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/the-lincoln-project/C00725820/donors/2020

It is tedious but you can see show their expenditures were aimed at here
https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00725820

[MMC]

Yeah, constitutional rights are no longer allowed during emperor Biden’s reign of fascism.

The Deviates attempted to overturn not one election. But tried it with 3 elections. Its hilarious that leftists try all this unhinged rhetoric. But didnt say anything when their Deviates were doing the very same thing that they accuse Republicans of.


Naturally the Democrats know most of their voters arent all that intelligent and or smart.


Remember what Carville a Democrat Operative had to say about these Democrat voters.


https://startthinkingright.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/james-carville-quote.png


Just think what Carville thinks of our resident leftists.

[MMC]

Kevin McCathy is a neoconservative. Neoconservatives are Leftists that just happen to have strong religious faith.

Seeing him turn on Trump is no surprise. Seeing him twist back toward him when he realizes his little coup would not work is also no surprise.

Watching Pelosi go far left and bending over for AOC is also no surprise. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden are all contradicting many things that they said in their past.

The Lincoln Project is an MSNBC afiliate move to protect the neoconservatives.
McCain's campaign manager Steve Schmidt is a frequent guest on Morning Joe and was the co-founder of the Lincoln Project. His gay partner was ousted for demanding sex from men in the workplace if they wanted to keep their job. Mike Barnacle (also on the show) serves as their consultant. John Galen you will most often find printed in the Washington Post. Joe Scarborough is their media mouthpiece.

The Lincoln Project is a Democratic Super Pac

Their money was spent to run against all Republicans in swing state races, not just Trump. Pretending this was an anti-Trump group is ridiculous.

Their donor list
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/the-lincoln-project/C00725820/donors/2020

It is tedious but you can see show their expenditures were aimed at here
https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00725820


The Lincoln Project is a murderers’ row of sex pests, tax cheats, serial grifters, foreign catspaws and political disasters—essentially everything they accuse the 45th president and the Republican Party of being.
All of its founders have gained fabulous wealth from their opposition to Trump. Book deals, media contracts, and other sinecures are easy marks for the Never Trump “conservative,” not to mention the eye-popping $86 million the Lincoln Project itself has raised, much of which has gone straight to firms owned by its founders. This vast plunder was especially convenient given that Lincoln Project leaders have been plagued by financial issues for years, including the nearly half a million in unpaid taxes (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/17/financial-problems-plagued-rick-wilson-as-he-became-never-trump-leader/) owed by Rick Wilson.



One of their co-founders, John Weaver, after running the disastrous John Kasich presidential campaign, became a literal Russian lobbyist (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/15/lobbying-against-russia-sanctions-weaver-kasich-1327880) in an era when we are supposed to be balking in horror at the sight of onion domes. A married man and a father, he was also recently outed (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-lincoln-projects-predator/) for exchanging sexual favors for employment opportunities with young men he found on Twitter.


Stuart Stevens wrote a book called It Was All A Lie after running multiple failed presidential campaigns for Mitt Romney. His own coworkers on the 2012 Romney campaign, including the aforementioned John Weaver, criticized his relentless narcissism (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/who-is-stuart-stevens/2012/09/17/08f91446-00dd-11e2-b257-e1c2b3548a4a_story.html) that directed attention away from the candidate himself—not that Romney would have benefitted from extra attention, as Stevens regularly bungled the campaign’s fundamental messaging.


Rick Wilson is a serial vulgarian who wrote the book Everything Trump Touches Dies, an especially hilarious title in light of the Lincoln Project failures in the 2020 Senate races. His claim to fame of late was yukking it up with CNN anchors about the “credulous Boomer rubes (https://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-anchor-don-lemon-backlash-for-mocking-trump-supporters-credulous-rubes-2020-1)” in middle America—a sharp contrast with the ethic of that Confederate flag on his cooler that was featured on his and his wife’s Instagram accounts until he received public backlash (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rick-wilson-confederate-cooler-and-wifes-racist-tweets-go-viral-after-gop-strategist-self). (His cooler also bore the claim that “THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN,” though the Florida native later wrote (https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/1270843023274975232?lang=en) on Twitter, “Soon, the only place you’ll see the traitor’s flag of the loser Confederacy flown is at @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)rallies.”) Wilson in particular has taken on the aura of an ayatollah, a grand religious leader pronouncing people and institutions haram for their failures to appropriately repudiate Trumpism. This included a hilariously botched attempt to cancel Domino’s Pizza (https://www.dailydot.com/debug/rick-wilson-dominos-tweet/) for a post thanking outgoing Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnanany for her positive assessment of their pizza.


The Project as a whole now seems intent on flexing their censorious muscles against congressmen and senators who objected to the certification of the electors on January 6. They’ve especially targeted (https://news.stlpublicradio.org/show/st-louis-on-the-air/2021-01-12/for-the-lincoln-project-sen-josh-hawley-is-now-front-and-center) rising star Senator Josh Hawley as a unique threat to democracy. Broadsiding politicians is par for the Lincoln Project’s course, but their public attacks on companies that have dared to contribute to politicians who objected to certification (nearly half of the Republican conference) crosses a new line. Even venues that host the Project’s unfavored politicians are not beyond reproach, as they successfully cowed a hotel (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/josh-hawley-loews-hotel-fundraiser-canceled/index.html) in Florida into canceling a planned fundraiser for Hawley.


Everything the Lincoln Project represents, from consecutive electoral failures to foreign adventurism that spilt untold blood and treasure abroad to an unrepentant cronyism that left middle America behind, is exactly what the GOP and the conservative movement must shed if they hope to address our civilizational crises head on. So it is for the best that their ire has not ended with Trump’s departure. Polarizing Republican elites and the electorate against the rotting consensus they represent is a necessity in the realignment to come......snip~


We Owe the Lincoln Project Our Thanks | The American Conservative (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/we-owe-the-lincoln-project-our-thanks/)




The Lincoln Project Isn’t Helping Anyone but Themselves (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-lincoln-project-isnt-helping-anyone-but-themselves)
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Jan 23, 2021 · Victor Davis Hanson. The 'After Trump' Era Begins; Kurt Schlichter. Stop the Third Party Insanity; ... At the end of the day, the Lincoln Project is a bunch of sad, washed-up grifters, momentarily ...


The Lincoln Project is nothing but Never Trumpers....establishment wonks. That failed to get control of the republican Party.


It comes as no surprise that Leftists would tout the Lincoln Project. Thinking these mopes are Conservatives.

[MMC]

John Weaver, after running the disastrous John Kasich presidential campaign, became a literal Russian lobbyist (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/15/lobbying-against-russia-sanctions-weaver-kasich-1327880) in an era when we are supposed to be balking in horror at the sight of onion domes. A married man and a father, he was also recently outed (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-lincoln-projects-predator/) for exchanging sexual favors for employment opportunities with young men he found on Twitter.....snip~



Its hilarious that they would try and call other Repubs traitors.

[carolina73]

No wonder they are tied in with NBC/MSNBC.

[Tahuyaman]

I would say the same about Kevin McCarthy

Do you hear that everyone? Apparently it is un American to disagree with Cletus’ world view.

Kevin McCarthy promoted that wackadoodle Marjorie Taylor Greene to the education committee after she planned to execute the Speaker and appeared to be passing information and cooperating with insurrectionists.

So, is disagreement good or bad? I want to hear the water-head view.

[MMC]

No wonder they are tied in with NBC/MSNBC.


Not just MSDNC.


But is this the purpose of the project? Approval from the Don Lemons of the world? It seems that way. The project doesn’t have any specific principle of conservatism they adhere to or advocate for. Even Susan Collins was too right-wing for them to bear — they spent millions trying to oust her. Besides making themselves rich.


All this is common enough among the Never-Trump set, but the Lincoln Projecteers set themselves apart as the most blatant, the most willing to go to any length or sink to any low to get their jollies. Their new big idea is to maintain lists of anyone remotely associated with the Trump administration and exile them from polite society (and employment) forever. The content of their advertisements is of the lowest sort. One, titled “Shrinking” is full of innuendo about Trump’s genitalia, a bizarre fixation of some Lincoln Project founders. The rest are either melodramatic recitations of Resistance Twitter memes, or childish taunts that they seem to think constitute “playing mind games with the President.”


Evidence suggests (https://www.thewrap.com/lincoln-project-ads-priorities-usa-experiment/) they had little to no impact in the elections — no surprise, given that it’s hard to appeal to voters one openly despises. For all their money and all their expertise, the end result of the Lincoln Project was that Trump got 94% (https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results) of the Republican vote, slightly higher (https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2012/results/president/exit-polls.html) than Romney in 2012 and up 6 points (https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls) from 2016. But at least they got the attention, and the paycheck, they wanted. We’ll see if it lasts.


At the end of the day, the Lincoln Project is a bunch of sad, washed-up grifters, momentarily fished out of the backwash of the Republicans-for-money consultant class to serve the interests of the progressive elite. But they couldn’t even do that well. Motivated by sneering contempt for their former party’s voters and an unfathomable level of self-regard, they have become a cautionary tale for anyone involved in politics. Without principle, it’s easy to sink to any low. The Republican Party should be glad to be rid of them — it’s a shame they didn’t leave sooner.....snip~


The Lincoln Project Sets a New Standard for Shameless Grift by Terry Schilling (townhall.com) (https://townhall.com/columnists/terryschilling/2021/01/23/the-lincoln-project-sets-a-new-standard-for-shameless-grift-n2583579)


Now you know why leftists would fawn all over these guys.....Whats really funny, is how leftists think these guys have some sort of relevance within the GOP.

[Captdon]

I would say the same about Kevin McCarthy

Do you hear that everyone? Apparently it is un American to disagree with Cletus’ world view.

Kevin McCarthy promoted that wackadoodle Marjorie Taylor Greene to the education committee after she planned to execute the Speaker and appeared to be passing information and cooperating with insurrectionists.

Nancy put fart boy on the intel committee. Now the Chinese have a direct line to our security.

[MMC]

More Information Comes to Light About The Lincoln Project's Sexual Harassment Scandal.....


One of The Lincoln Project's co-founders, John Weaver, stepped down (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/01/18/yeah-its-not-shocking-why-a-lincoln-project-cofounder-says-hes-not-coming-back-n2583285) from the Never Trump organization earlier this month after admitting that he sexually harassed young men and promised them a job in politics in exchange for sex. The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/politics/john-weaver-lincoln-project-harassment.html) did a bit of digging and talked to a few of Weaver's accusers, most notably, Cole Trickle Miele, who was 14 when Weaver allegedly harassed him.


From The Times:.....



Other accusers shared similar stories about Weaver abusing his political connections in an attempt to get laid.


Once The Time's interviews came to light, The Lincoln Project released a statement, slamming Weaver's actions.
"John Weaver led a secret life that was built on a foundation of deception at every level. He is a predator, a liar, and an abuser. We extend our deepest sympathies to those who were targeted by his deplorable and predatory behavior," the statement (https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1355921549753262083?s=20) said. "We are disgusted and outraged that someone in a position of power and trust would use it for these means."


Girdusky, however, said The Lincoln Project has changed their tune about the allegations......snip~


More Information Comes to Light About The Lincoln Project's Sexual Harassment Scandal by Beth Baumann (townhall.com) (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2021/01/31/more-information-comes-to-light-about-the-lincoln-projects-sexual-harassment-sca-n2583979)






Thas Right.....the Lincoln Project changed their tune once Weaver was hooked up. They knew all along. They lied. They were Complicit. They might as well just start voting Democrat!

Can't hide that Russian Connection either.

[TheLiquidGuy]

You have been sowing division and spreading lies and Leftists propaganda since the day you arrived here.

Sowing division? By criticizing your favorite politicians? Either you have a warped notion of what "unity" is or you're just using unity as an excuse for us to allow continued erosion of democracy. Unity can be aided by forgiveness. But unity will be moot if democracy dies. McCarthy, Cruz, Mo Brooks and others are enablers. They tried to legitimize the ending of our freedom to choose our future. Their cynical and unprincipled support for the unlikely and harmful fraud story hurts democracy and therefore unity.



I never said any such thing. I said YOU are un-American in your actions and ideology.

You did, Cletus. You don't get to decide who is un American. This is a pluralistic society. And practically speaking, I think it's way more un American to stand with seditionists.



There was no insurrection. I really do wish you clowns would stop with the dishonest, divisive hyperbole. There are a lot of people out there like Leanne who are actually stupid enough to believe that bullshit.


*There was no insurrection.*
So now you are turning to denial-ism? Sp nothing happened? An insurrection is a "violent uprising against an authority or government" according to my quick google search. You remember nothing that fit that desciption?

I know what you are saying. Essentially, you are saying that unless the insurrection succeeds it's not worth getting upset about it. By the time it finally succeeds it will be too late. You get that, right? right?


NOW is the time do something about it. Not later. I can't say "nip it in the bud" because this is far more than a bud. Things will be worse on the next attempt.

[ripmeister]

Of course you would. I would expect nothing more from you. You have been sowing division and spreading lies and Leftists propaganda since the day you arrived here.




I never said any such thing. I said YOU are un-American in your actions and ideology. You are not an honest and forthright person.




There was no insurrection. I really do wish you clowns would stop with the dishonest, divisive hyperbole. There are a lot of people out there like Leanne who are actually stupid enough to believe that bull$#@!.
Curious. How would you characterize the events of the Sixth?

[The Booman]

Sowing division? By criticizing your favorite politicians? Either you have a warped notion of what "unity" is or you're just using unity as an excuse for us to allow continued erosion of democracy. Unity can be aided by forgiveness. But unity will be moot if democracy dies. McCarthy, Cruz, Mo Brooks and others are enablers. They tried to legitimize the ending of our freedom to choose our future. Their cynical and unprincipled support for the unlikely and harmful fraud story hurts democracy and therefore unity.




You did, Cletus. You don't get to decide who is un American. This is a pluralistic society. And practically speaking, I think it's way more un American to stand with seditionists.


*There was no insurrection.*So now you are turning to denial-ism? Nothing happened? An insurrection is a "violent uprising against an authority or government" according to my quick google search. There was no such event? I know what you are saying. Essentially, you are saying that unless the insurrection succeeds it's not worth getting upset about it. By the time it finally succeeds it will be too late. You get that, right?


Well if you guys get to decide who is deplorable, racist and a Nazi us deplorable racist Nazi's can decide if you are un American. and you guys kinda are.

[TheLiquidGuy]

Curious. How would you characterize the events of the Sixth?


peaceful protest?

https://i.imgflip.com/4tliby.gif


one guard had two cracked ribs
another crushed spinal discs
another is going to lose an eye
another was stabbed with a fence post
6 people dead
many went to hospital

[The Booman]

peaceful protest?



one guard had two cracked ribs
another crushed spinal discs
another is going to lose an eye
another was stabbed with a fence post
6 people dead
many went to hospital


He asked you to characterize it not read the nurses clipboard.

[Cletus]

Curious. How would you characterize the events of the Sixth?

A protest that got out of control.

If you have been paying attention, I have spoken numerous times about the mob mentality and how actions initiated by a few people can incite a mob to do things the individuals involved would be shocked at if you suggested they might ever engage in such activities. Mobs often take on a mind of their own and people get swept up in the emotion and things they would never otherwise even consider doing.

There was no organized attempt to seize control of the Capitol and the Government. Most of the people involved just walked through the door with everybody else. There is no doubt there were some in the crowd with evil intent, but most were just caught up in the moment. They left the Capitol peacefully (for the most part). They weren't forced out. They didn't lay siege to the Capitol, occupy it, and start making demands.

With the exception of those few (very few) who did want to wreak havoc and cause destruction, the crowd consisted mostly of people who have been vilified, degraded, mocked, ridiculed and spat upon by the Left for one day too long and who felt, not without cause, that they no longer had voice. Emotions ran high and a few instigators took advantage of it and turned a protest into a riot. They didn't storm in there with torches and pitchforks with the intent to take over the government and anyone who looks objectively at the events of that day know it.


Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, Pelosi and the Democrat leadership, instead of asking themselves what THEY did to make so many people so angry, decided to jump on it and use it as a propaganda tool and an excuse to file articles of impeachment against the President. They failed the first time. They ended up looking like fools, so they got their chance at payback.


None of that excuses their actions and those who engaged in destructive or harmful behavior need to punished, but instead of seeking vengeance, those inside the wire should be asking themselves and the country WHY it happened and what they did to cause it.

[Cletus]

See, bottom feeders like Liquid Guy are a major part of the problem. He has been for months. Leanne is another one, although I don't think she is really malicious. She is just stupid and follows along eating whatever shit the Democrats throw to her.

[The Booman]

See, bottom feeders like Liquid Guy are a major part of the problem. He has been for months. Leanne is another one, although I don't think she is really malicious. She is just stupid and follows along eating whatever shit the Democrats throw to her.
And they are too stupid to see that this is one of the major reasons Trump won. These idiots are slaves to the party so we keep getting the same people over and over and over. Meanwhile nothing gets accomplished. At least Trump tried to address things. The problem is the status quo can't be upended.

[Mister D]

See, bottom feeders like Liquid Guy are a major part of the problem. He has been for months. Leanne is another one, although I don't think she is really malicious. She is just stupid and follows along eating whatever $#@! the Democrats throw to her.

This.

Leanne is genuinely naive and easily manipulated. LiquidGuy is a dishonest hack whose shameless hypocrisy illustrates why the important discussions Americans need to have won't happen.

[The Booman]

This.

Leanne is genuinely naive and easily manipulated. LiquidGuy is a dishonest hack whose shameless hypocrisy illustrates why the important discussions Americans need to have won't happen.


So, Leanne is AOC and Waterboy is John Kerry...

[TheLiquidGuy]

A protest that got out of control.

If you have been paying attention, I have spoken numerous times about the mob mentality and how actions initiated by a few people can incite a mob to do things the individuals involved would be shocked at if you suggested they might ever engage in such activities. Mobs often take on a mind of their own and people get swept up in the emotion and things they would never otherwise even consider doing.

Do the summer rioters also get the same consideration?



There was no organized attempt to seize control of the Capitol and the Government. Most of the people involved just walked through the door with everybody else. There is no doubt there were some in the crowd with evil intent, but most were just caught up in the moment. They left the Capitol peacefully (for the most part). They weren't forced out. They didn't lay siege to the Capitol, occupy it, and start making demands.
Yet there are at least 160 arrests and growing. There were at least two people who brought ziptie cuffs with them and stunning devices. Most were caught up in the moment which tells me those people are dangerously useful to authoritarian tyrants. They left the capitol peacefully because they couldn't find anyone in a suit to lynch. What do you think would have happened if they stumbled upon Nancy or Mike or AOC? "Making demands" would have been an optimistic outcome.



With the exception of those few (very few) who did want to wreak havoc and cause destruction, the crowd consisted mostly of people who have been vilified, degraded, mocked, ridiculed and spat upon by the Left for one day too long and who felt, not without cause, that they no longer had voice.
What they felt, quite clearly, was that the election was stolen. If they felt the left vilified them that's only because right wing leaders keep telling them as much. (Google "the left hates you" and compare the count result with "the right hates you")



Emotions ran high and a few instigators took advantage of it and turned a protest into a riot. They didn't storm in there with torches and pitchforks with the intent to take over the government and anyone who looks objectively at the events of that day know it.

Not everyone knew exactly what they would do when they went there. But they did go there to do something. They went there to stop the steal. Because they were irresponsibly told to stop the steal. Some people did plan to take hostages (zipties). And I know of at least one guy who literally had a pitchfork with him. https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/895350057960004/


What is your point, Cletus? Are you trying to say that Republicans aren't bad people? Republicans are no worse than any other people. Are you saying that they are peaceful under normal circumstances? That goes for everyone. Are you saying Republicans are better? Clearly they are not: Republicans are just as susceptible to being manipulated and turned into weapons by unscrupulous demagogues. But this is not about Republicans. This is about the their leaders who have been manipulating and lying to them. Causing this. Now. And in the future.



Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, Pelosi and the Democrat leadership, instead of asking themselves what THEY did to make so many people so angry, decided to jump on it and use it as a propaganda tool and an excuse to file articles of impeachment against the President.
Seriously?????? You don't know what made them so angry? Everybody knows, Cletus.


They failed the first time. They ended up looking like fools, so they got their chance at payback.
There is a reason this was the most bipartisan impeachment ever. because it's legit.


None of that excuses their actions and those who engaged in destructive or harmful behavior need to punished, but instead of seeking vengeance, those inside the wire should be asking themselves and the country WHY it happened and what they did to cause it.
It happened because they believed they were robbed. I suppose it's possible that the belief that the left hates them may have factored in too. But both of these beliefs have been propagated by Republican leaders for cynical reasons. Republican leaders calculate that "activating" their base is the only way to win. So they have been feeding them "the left hates you" or "The election was rigged." Anything to make them mad or scared. mad and scared leads to a violent uprising as we saw, IOW an insurrection.

[stephenpe]

It is amazing to watch the cult after screaming out the "racist and violent BLM" for months but then can apologize for traitors storming the capital because their messiah told them to fight for their stolen votes. Twilight zone shttt. None of us ever imagined "Americans" could be so mislead or programmed by what is basically an imbecile who's narcissism is so obvious a damned 5 year old could see it.......


Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, Pelosi and the Democrat leadership, instead of asking themselves what THEY did to make so many people so angry, decided to jump on it and use it as a propaganda tool and an excuse to file articles of impeachment against the President.


Seriously?????? You don't know what made them so angry? Everybody knows, Cletus.

This is positive proof of the absolute cluelessness of Trump supporters. The gasoline narcissist in chief poured constantly on his cult of a dry forest floor was obvious to anyone.

[stjames1_53]

It is amazing to watch the cult after screaming out the "racist and violent BLM" for months but then can apologize for traitors storming the capital because their messiah told them to fight for their stolen votes. Twilight zone shttt. None of us ever imagined "Americans" could be so mislead or programmed by what is basically an imbecile who's narcissism is so obvious a damned 5 year old could see it.......


Seriously?????? You don't know what made them so angry? Everybody knows, Cletus.

This is positive proof of the absolute cluelessness of Trump supporters. The gasoline narcissist in chief poured constantly on his cult of a dry forest floor was obvious to anyone.

https://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34612&d=1611890190

[stjames1_53]

It is amazing to watch the cult after screaming out the "racist and violent BLM" for months but then can apologize for traitors storming the capital because their messiah told them to fight for their stolen votes. Twilight zone shttt. None of us ever imagined "Americans" could be so mislead or programmed by what is basically an imbecile who's narcissism is so obvious a damned 5 year old could see it.......


Seriously?????? You don't know what made them so angry? Everybody knows, Cletus.

This is positive proof of the absolute cluelessness of Trump supporters. The gasoline narcissist in chief poured constantly on his cult of a dry forest floor was obvious to anyone.

An insurrection of epic proportions occurred yesterday at the US Capitol. Hundreds stormed the WH grounds. Mass casualties and property damaged occurred.

Didn't you hear about this?
Damned conservatives.................
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/massive-snowball-fight-nations-capitol-9777745

[Cletus]

Do the summer rioters also get the same consideration?


If you examine (and I know you won't) the actual mechanics of the riots in various cities over the last year, you will find they are quite different from what happened in Washington in February. I would suggest that some people in the FIRST riot were very much like the Washington rioters and got caught up in the mob rage. After that, it becomes obvious that burning, looting and destruction of property were not spontaneous, they were the objective of the riots.



Yet there are at least 160 arrests and growing. There were at least two people who brought ziptie cuffs with them and stunning devices.


TWO... out of how many hundreds? Investigation of the Washington riot is now making it apparent there were a few there whose intent was to cause chaos and possibly more, but that cannot be said of the vast majority of the participants. It is also becoming more apparent on an almost daily basis that those participating with evil intent planned in advance to agitate the crowd to a riotous state and play on the mob mentality. That fact, by the way, goes a long way toward defeating the Democrat's bullshit allegations against the President.



Most were caught up in the moment


Yeah, that what mobs do.



which tells me those people are dangerously useful to authoritarian tyrants.


What your statement tells me is that you very little knowledge of mob mentality and human psychology in general. Put you in the right environment with the right stimulus and I could have you rioting and shouting "Death to Tyrants" in no time.




They left the capitol peacefully because they couldn't find anyone in a suit to lynch.


Nonsense. They left the Capitol peacefully because the moment had passed and the momentum was lost and they came to their senses.



What do you think would have happened if they stumbled upon Nancy or Mike or AOC? "Making demands" would have been an optimistic outcome.


I don't know and neither do you. Some would have called for their heads, but it is most likely the majority would have prevented them from acting on their impulses. The shock of realization that it was all suddenly "real" would most likely have snapped most of them back to their senses. Or maybe not. with mobs, it is hard to predict with specificity.



What they felt, quite clearly, was that the election was stolen.


that was what pushed them over the top, but it was not root cause of the anger. The root cause of the anger was people like you with your stupid and insulting Trump/Putin avatar and endless insults and accusations that came from bottom feeding scum like you and went all the way up to the top of the Democrat food chain. Years of abuse built up a seething anger that just needed a spark to detonate it and this election and the irregularities and legal violations and suspicious actions by the Democrats provided that spark. YOU did this.




If they felt the left vilified them that's only because right wing leaders keep telling them as much.


People saw it coming from you and others every single day right here on this forum. Even here, in this little microcosm, the vilification of Trump supporters was obvious. Outside of here, it was apparent on almost every news outlet, talk show, opinion program, social media... you name it.



But this is not about Republicans. This is about the their leaders who have been manipulating and lying to them. Causing this. Now. And in the future.



No, YOU caused it. YOU, Leanne, and the rest of you so filled with hate and contempt for this country and its founding ideals caused the anger. Accept your responsibility for your actions.



Seriously?????? You don't know what made them so angry? Everybody knows, Cletus.


Everybody except you, apparently.


There is a reason this was the most bipartisan impeachment ever. because it's legit.



It is no more legitimate than the first one was. this one was driven by fear and a thirst for revenge. It was engineered by wannabe tyrants and supported by cowards on both sides of the House.

[stephenpe]

the most desusional post Ive seen in awhile. Big word salad but no dressing. Trump caused most of this with his stupid vitrolic speeches to the cults at his prayer meetings. Unfounded crying about election fraud sent them over the edge. Shttt, most have been perched on that ledge their whole lives it appears. All they needed was some idiot to validate their insanity. Comparing protests in cities to the attack on the houses of congress is a real disconnect from reality. But why be surprised by that? Some condidered what trump did for four years real leadership. The ultimate disconnect. The emperor had no clothes or clues from the beginning. Now he is gonna be an embarrassing footnote in history most repubs with a few brain cells will be happy to forget.

cletus said: Some would have called for their heads, but it is most likely the majority would have prevented them from acting on their impulses. what a pie in the sky blslshttt answer that is. Their impulses to storm the house of congress showed just what kind of lunacy was going on. And you still defend it. How do you sleep at night?

[TheLiquidGuy]

If you examine (and I know you won't) the actual mechanics of the riots in various cities over the last year, you will find they are quite different from what happened in Washington in February. I would suggest that some people in the FIRST riot were very much like the Washington rioters and got caught up in the mob rage. After that, it becomes obvious that burning, looting and destruction of property were not spontaneous, they were the objective of the riots.

Peaceful protests devolving into riots were the exception. The rule was peaceful protest. You just think riots were the norm because news orgs do not report peaceful protests. They report conflict.

*they were the objective of the riots*
That's a pretty bold generalization. You contend that after the first incident, any time a riot broke out, 100% of the participants planned it? 90%? Give me a percentage. There were some special cases like Portland where many people seemingly intentionally showed up to assert themselves over police. But what percentage of the left do you propose they represent? 1%? 5%? 20%? What's your feeling?




TWO... out of how many hundreds? Investigation of the Washington riot is now making it apparent there were a few there whose intent was to cause chaos and possibly more, but that cannot be said of the vast majority of the participants. It is also becoming more apparent on an almost daily basis that those participating with evil intent planned in advance to agitate the crowd to a riotous state and play on the mob mentality. That fact, by the way, goes a long way toward defeating the Democrat's bullshit allegations against the President.

It seems to me that you are interested in painting the left as largely lawless savages and the right as Godly and civil with just a few exceptions. Negatively characterizing a large group of people like that perfectly fits my definition of divisive. If what you were saying about Republicans were true it might have been okay. But it's not true: 45% of Republicans supported the attack on the capitol according to a YouGov poll in January (https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/06/US-capitol-trump-poll). My position is that Republicans suffer from the same human weaknesses that any Democrat does. My position is a charitable one when you consider that polls like that.

That crowd went down there to "stop the steal". The President told them to do it (and that is what a number of charged rioters are saying). Although he promised to go down there with them, Trump was conspicuously absent for the fight, (kinda like Vietnam).



Yeah, that what mobs do.
What your statement tells me is that you very little knowledge of mob mentality and human psychology in general. Put you in the right environment with the right stimulus and I could have you rioting and shouting "Death to Tyrants" in no time.

As I say, I don't think dems or repubs are any more or less immune from manipulation. I am a behaviorist. People are the product of their environment. They are the company they keep. That's partly why you often have large ghettos of homogeneous political affiliation. That's partly why gerrymandering is possible.


Nonsense. They left the Capitol peacefully because the moment had passed and the momentum was lost and they came to their senses.

I don't know and neither do you. Some would have called for their heads, but it is most likely the majority would have prevented them from acting on their impulses. The shock of realization that it was all suddenly "real" would most likely have snapped most of them back to their senses. Or maybe not. with mobs, it is hard to predict with specificity.

For someone who purports to know something about mob mentality, I am surprised you would make that assessment. I propose that if the most zealous people calling for their heads acted to some degree, the less motivated would have just mindlessly watched with a diluted sense of responsibility. Have you seen the video of the crowd energetically chanting "Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence!" over and over as they pushed into the building?



That was what pushed them over the top, but it was not root cause of the anger. The root cause of the anger was people like you with your stupid and insulting Trump/Putin avatar and endless insults and accusations that came from bottom feeding scum like you and went all the way up to the top of the Democrat food chain. Years of abuse built up a seething anger that just needed a spark to detonate it and this election and the irregularities and legal violations and suspicious actions by the Democrats provided that spark. YOU did this.

Yes , it's possible that reps are already angry. All the more reason not to incite them with the lie that "Trump won" "by a lot" and then ask them to fight like hell or they would not have a country any more.

*people like you with your stupid and insulting Trump/Putin avatar and endless insults and accusations*
I believe my "endless insults" exist only in your head. I very rarely insult people here. I have though. But I can assure you that I am subjected to far more ad hominem than I dish out in this forum (by at least an order of magnitude). I have privately complained that this place has changed me for the worse. You will note that you are the only one insulting anyone in our entire exchange "bottom feeding scum"

My avatar was meant to illustrate that Trump is a little too friendly with Putin. It was a statement. Not an insult. I realize that it's edginess would be taken the wrong way by some, I thought that it would also help make the point stronger. The artist likely felt the same.*Years of abuse built up a seething anger* I don't want dems and reps to insult each other personally. I realize that reps have the sense of being personally slighted. When we criticize Trump, do reps take it personally? They shouldn't. Speaking critically of those in power is something we all should feel free to do. It's very important we do. Is this what you mean by "insults"? Hillary's "deplorables" comment was reprehensible and unacceptable. As are statements like "The left hates you"





People saw it coming from you and others every single day right here on this forum. Even here, in this little microcosm, the vilification of Trump supporters was obvious. Outside of here, it was apparent on almost every news outlet, talk show, opinion program, social media... you name it.
What kind of things does the left say that vilifies you? I feel like you will have trouble isolating many examples, but I could be wrong. Can you name something other than Hillary's stupid comment?



No, YOU caused it. YOU, Leanne, and the rest of you so filled with hate and contempt for this country and its founding ideals caused the anger. Accept your responsibility for your actions.

You think the country is perfect as is. I think it could stand some tweaking. Does that mean that I "hate" the country? I don't hate anything, or anyone. Not even you, despite calling me a bottom feeder. Hate is irrational. I simply think there is room for improvement, and you do not.

If my desire to make a few changes is responsible for causing a riot at the capitol, I accept responsibility. But I don't take responsibility for attacking Trump voters.

What about my signature? Do you think it personally attacks Trump supporters? or do you think it critiques the methods they have increasingly been using to argue their points in the Trump era?



It is no more legitimate than the first one was. this one was driven by fear and a thirst for revenge. It was engineered by wannabe tyrants and supported by cowards on both sides of the House.

Republicans who crossed the aisle were cowards? they were by definition brave. under threat of primary.

I think it was driven by a desire to nip in the bud the continuing march towards fascism and the erosion of democratic rule. More Reps crossed the aisle in history.

[hanger4]

the most desusional post Ive seen in awhile. Big word salad but no dressing. Trump caused most of this with his stupid vitrolic speeches to the cults at his prayer meetings. Unfounded crying about election fraud sent them over the edge. Shttt, most have been perched on that ledge their whole lives it appears. All they needed was some idiot to validate their insanity. Comparing protests in cities to the attack on the houses of congress is a real disconnect from reality. But why be surprised by that? Some condidered what trump did for four years real leadership. The ultimate disconnect. The emperor had no clothes or clues from the beginning. Now he is gonna be an embarrassing footnote in history most repubs with a few brain cells will be happy to forget.
what a pie in the sky blslshttt answer that is. Their impulses to storm the house of congress showed just what kind of lunacy was going on. And you still defend it. How do you sleep at night? [/COLOR]

Ignoring this;

*I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.*

makes you look foolish.

[Hoosier8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ6LlDr8q2U
LOL, Biden just gave China and Russia everything they wanted but Orange Man Bad.

[Cletus]

Liquid Guy, do you really think anyone on this forum other than the single digit IQ crowd (all of whom just happen to be Leftists) believe the bullshit you post? I doubt even you believe it.

You are lying out your ass about your avatar.

[carolina73]

The left is asking us to condemn a single event after they failed to condemn 8 months of much worse behavior.

It does not work that way. No doubt that some felt that there would be no consequences after watching the left excuse their violence for the previous year.

No doubt the people that entered the capitol thought nothing would happen based on what they watched all of 2020. They did not even hide their faces.

[TheLiquidGuy]

The left is asking us to condemn a single event after they failed to condemn 8 months of much worse behavior.

It does not work that way. No doubt that some felt that there would be no consequences after watching the left excuse their violence for the previous year.

No doubt the people that entered the capitol thought nothing would happen based on what they watched all of 2020. They did not even hide their faces.


The capitol riot carried implications beyond the mere degree of violence perpetrated. For god's sake, why won't any of you try to understand that?

The capitol riot had implications for democracy and the peaceful transition of power. Every time we break a new norm in this country, it becomes precedent. It becomes easier to do it again the next time. If you dont believe that, its only because you dont want to.

Would you like it to become normal for us to base transition on whether or not capitol hill would be able to put down an insurrection?

I hope in the next election the violence will be avoided


We (you and I both) have to condemn what happened. Its the only way to negate the precedent. That's why Trump needed to be rebuked. Democracy is more important than him.

[TheLiquidGuy]

Liquid Guy, do you really think anyone on this forum other than the single digit IQ crowd (all of whom just happen to be Leftists) believe the bullshit you post? I doubt even you believe it.
I am just being honest with you Cletus.

You are lying out your ass about your avatar.
100% truthful
I wont deny I got a slight kick out of it annoying some people. But that wasn't my aim.

[MMC]

The vote, taken at the height of the media’s anti-Trump frenzy, angered and disappointed many of her colleagues and constituents, already provoking a primary challenge (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/20/liz-cheney-just-got-her-first-wyoming-primary-challenger-following-impeachment-stunt/) back home, a censure (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/19/wyoming-county-gop-unanimously-censures-liz-cheney-demands-she-appear-before-the-state/) by members of her own state party, and now a threat to derail her from House leadership. Cheney had previously upset members of her conference with lackluster fundraising, an inability to recruit candidates, and support for primary opponents of a member who opposes her preferred levels of foreign interventionism.


“If Liz Cheney had a rally with all of her supporters, they could likely meet inside one of the elevators in the capital, and still have plenty of room for social distancing,” Florida Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz blasted outside the Wyoming statehouse to hundreds demonstrating (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/29/anti-cheney-rally-in-wyoming-offers-preview-of-gop-primary-battles/) their opposition to Cheney in Cheyenne last week.


In Congress, Cheney is poised to lose her number three seat in leadership before losing her spot in the House. Multiple GOP aides on Capitol Hill told The Federalist a vote on Cheney’s role in leadership is likely to come on Wednesday.


Politico reported (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/liz-cheneys-problems-pile-up-461218) last month support to remove Cheney had been voiced to leadership by 107 members two weeks ago.



According to OpenSecrets, Cheney raised only $3.7 million for her campaign and leadership political action committee. Minority Leader McCarthy raised $33 million and Minority Whip Steve Scalise raised more than $40 million. Even average members with no leadership ties raise more money for the party than Cheney, who despite her leadership role and position on the Armed Services Committee was ranked as 180th (https://www.fec.gov/data/raising-bythenumbers/?office=H) in fundraising, according to Federal Election Commission records.
Cheney, the daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, has many friends in Washington, D.C. media and political realms. Many of them are advocating that Republicans keep her in leadership despite her troubles......snip~


How Republicans Prepare To Oust Liz Cheney From Leadership (thefederalist.com) (https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/02/house-republicans-prepare-to-oust-liz-cheney-from-leadership/)

The Repubs have the majority to remove Cheney from the 3rd Chair. McCarthy is caught between the proverbial rock and hard place. The Majority want her removed. He will have no choice but to allow the vote to move forward.

[MMC]

The left is asking us to condemn a single event after they failed to condemn 8 months of much worse behavior.

It does not work that way. No doubt that some felt that there would be no consequences after watching the left excuse their violence for the previous year.

No doubt the people that entered the capitol thought nothing would happen based on what they watched all of 2020. They did not even hide their faces.

28 Times Media And Democrats Excused Or Endorsed Violence Committed By Left-Wing Activists (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/07/28-times-media-and-democrats-excused-or-endorsed-violence-committed-by-left-wing-activists/)



After excusing and ignoring riots from leftists all year, Democrats and their allies in the media are ready to condemn riots now that the turmoil has shifted to fit their narrative.....snip~


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZZSi9rX0AEIn6p?format=jpg&name=small

Reminder that our nation's capital looked like this at the beginning of the summer and most Democrats/media shrugged it off as mostly peaceful.....snip~


A trip down memory lane chronicling the left’s reaction to last year’s eruption of unrest claiming the lives of at least 30 people (https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/27/watch-widow-of-david-dorn-retired-police-chief-slain-by-mob-recounts-harrowing-story-and-endorses-trump/) not only exposes the hypocrisy suffusing Democrats’ condemnation of political violence, but also illustrates a sobering reality that there’s plenty of blame to go around for the situation in which the United States now finds itself......snip~


28 Times Media And Democrats Excused Violence By Left-Wing Activists (thefederalist.com) (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/07/28-times-media-and-democrats-excused-or-endorsed-violence-committed-by-left-wing-activists/)



10 Times Democrats Urged Violence Against Trump And His Supporters (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/)JANUARY 8, 2021 By Jordan Davidson (https://thefederalist.com/author/jordandavidson/)
Many of these same Denocrats blaming Trump for the Capitol riot have for years called for violence against those who believe differently than they do.



The leftness has no business calling other traitors. Especially with all that has come out of their mouths for the past 3 decades.

[MMC]

FLASHBACK: Just Months Ago, Democrats Blocked a Resolution Condemning Mob Violence (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/10/flashback-just-months-ago-democrats-blocked-a-resolution-condemning-mob-violence/)

JANUARY 10, 2021 By Jonah Gottschalk (https://thefederalist.com/author/jonahgottschalk/)
They also shut down a bill which would have given rioters longer prison sentences this summer and cracked down on political violence.



Yes this is the Nature of Democrats and their voters.

[carolina73]

The capitol riot carried implications beyond the mere degree of violence perpetrated. For god's sake, why won't any of you try to understand that?

The capitol riot had implications for democracy and the peaceful transition of power. Every time we break a new norm in this country, it becomes precedent. It becomes easier to do it again the next time. If you dont believe that, its only because you dont want to.

Would you like it to become normal for us to base transition on whether or not capitol hill would be able to put down an insurrection?

I hope in the next election the violence will be avoided


We (you and I both) have to condemn what happened. Its the only way to negate the precedent. That's why Trump needed to be rebuked. Democracy is more important than him.
It's all inflated in your head. You operate out of hate, nothing else.

[stjames1_53]

The capitol riot carried implications beyond the mere degree of violence perpetrated. For god's sake, why won't any of you try to understand that?

The capitol riot had implications for democracy and the peaceful transition of power. Every time we break a new norm in this country, it becomes precedent. It becomes easier to do it again the next time. If you dont believe that, its only because you dont want to.

Would you like it to become normal for us to base transition on whether or not capitol hill would be able to put down an insurrection?

I hope in the next election the violence will be avoided


We (you and I both) have to condemn what happened. Its the only way to negate the precedent. That's why Trump needed to be rebuked. Democracy is more important than him.

Then condemn what has been happening in those cities where fires still rage...…...call for arrests and prosecution.
Denounce BLM and Antifa. Tell them to go get jobs and buy their own homes...then tell them there are to be NO reparations....

[stjames1_53]

It's all inflated in your head. You operate out of hate, nothing else.

One cannot trust another who is holding a broken and bloody olive branch. Best to check their other hand to see what they have behind their back

[MMC]

One cannot trust another who is holding a broken and bloody olive branch. Best to check their other hand to see what they have behind their back

Never trust a leftist.

[TheLiquidGuy]

It's all inflated in your head. You operate out of hate, nothing else.

It's all deflated inside yours.

I operate out of concern for democracy.

You guys have become accustomed to saying 'it's no big deal' over the last four years. This is exactly the problem. You lack "eternal vigilance." Tyranny won't come all at once. It will test the waters. It will wade in a little more each time, waiting to become accustomed to the temperature, until before you know it, you are up to your nostrils in cold tyrannical water.

The capitol riot should make most people realize that we are currently nipple deep. Yet you still want to let it slide. keep it up.

[stjames1_53]

It's all deflated inside yours.

I operate out of concern for democracy.

You guys have become accustomed to saying 'it's no big deal' over the last four years. This is exactly the problem. You lack "eternal vigilance." Tyranny won't come all at once. It will test the waters. It will wade in a little more each time, waiting to become accustomed to the temperature, until before you know it, you are up to your nostrils in cold tyrannical water.

The capitol riot should make most people realize that we are currently nipple deep. Yet you still want to let it slide. keep it up.

What riot? I saw a peaceful protest...………….and saw an unarmed woman get shot in the face for not having a gun.....but no riot......